Condor high flow tank vs Talon tank
I thought this might be useful info.
Condor with Custom weighted hammer (Don’t know the weight) heavier than stock.
24″ barrel
Beeman Kodiak Extra Heavy pellets
Both tanks filled to 2,100psi
PW 7/0
Condor High flow tank /Talon stock tank
FPS
Low 1010 /823
High 1050 /835
Avg 1031 /829
ES 40.43 /11.58
SD 12.28 / 3.6
1 1050 /835
2 1043 /834
3 1041 /831
4 1039 /830
5 1031 /830
6 1020 /827
7 1028 /830
8 1026 /825
9 1021 /823
10 1010 /827
Talon Tank at 2,500 psi
FPS
Kodiak Extra Heavy/JSB Jumbo
877/940
I’ll do a 2,900psi fill tomorrow with a long shot string
Might not be as powerful but, the accuracy and the quietness
of the Condor with the Talon tank is what I was looking for….
The shots from the Talon tank were much tighter than the
Condor high flow.
Easy 5 shot one hole groups at 25yds with the Talon tank.
I’ll be trying the 65yd shot tomorrow.
It took 25 pump strokes to refill the Talon tank and 45
pump strokes to refill the High flow tank.
I am again impressed with this rifle…
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Keep at it and those groups will shrink even further…
Regards,
Tony
I think so…Thanks for the help Tony…
You still have not tried what I suggested (or how I use my Condor .22) about a week ago in another thread, not that you want to tinker with it more.. you ‘re probably tired of that. But I had said to try filling to 2100-2200 with PW 0 to 2 at the most – with the Condor tank. It looks like you ‘ve tried 2600+psi fills and 2100psi, but you adjust the PW to 7 (or 4 one time?). If you go down to PW 0-1 and fill to 2100-2200psi, I think you’ll get the results you are looking for.. decent consistency, lots of shots and 1,000fps to start with (Kodiaks) or under, which should keep the gun pretty quiet. Using PW setting 4 to 7, uses up more air. Keep the PW really low with the Condor tank and you should be able to get a nice balance of consistency & power. But if the Talon tank does it for you without much tinkering stick with that.
Well decided the Condor tank was just way more
than I would ever need so i figured someone else
would enjoy it more so, I don’t have the high flow
tank anymore. I finally got it in my head (thanks to you guys)
that I can’t get big power, stealth, and accuracy all
at the same time…I am seeing now that there is a
trade off and a balance that you would just have to
live with one way or another…This is what I got this
morning with the Talon tank and the 18″ barrel with
shroud clipping fixed. I am finally satisfied with this
combo..I had no idea I could get that kind of fpe with
the pressure that low..I put the 25yd target at the bottom
so you can see the groups that correspond with the
shot strings…By all indictions of these results the 2,000psi
regulated tank I bought should rock…..That will be more
testing another day….
…Sorry for driving you guys nuts with all the changes…..
Fill psi 2,100
PW 2/13
String #1
Kodiak
Low / 718
High / 759
avg / 739 = 25.96 fpe
ES / 41.7
SD / 14.10
1 722.3
2 759.1
3 725.5
4 738.1
5 737.2
6 718.0
7 750.3
8 753.2
9 751.4
10 740.3
ending psi 2000
String #2
JSB Starting psi 2000
Low 764.2
High 794.6
Avg 787.5 = 21.76 fpe
ES 30.56
SD 9.16
1 785.5
2 782.6
3 790.3
4 794.9
5 786.4
6 787.6
7 794.0
8 794.3
9 764.2
10 794.6
Ending psi 1900
String #3
Kodiak starting psi 1900
Low 724.5
High 737.1
Avg 732.1 = 25.47 fpe
ES 12.66
SD 4.12
1 735
2 736
3 732
4 737
5 733
6 724
7 732
8 732
9 727
10 728
Ending psi 1800
String #4
JSB Starting psi 1800
Low 778
High 787
Avg 783 = 21.51 fpe
ES 9.82
SD 3.00
1 785
2 787
3 784
4 786
5 780
6 783
7 782
8 780
9 780
10 778
Ending psi 1700
You’re there!!! 😀
Regards,
Tony
I finally got it in my head (thanks to you guys)
that I can’t get big power, stealth, and accuracy all
at the same time…I am seeing now that there is a
trade off and a balance that you would just have to
live with one way or another…
No problems here. I’m getting fine accuracy with my Condor shooting Kodiaks at 980 – 1000 FPS.
Man that is great….
I finally got it in my head (thanks to you guys)
that I can’t get big power, stealth, and accuracy all
at the same time…I am seeing now that there is a
trade off and a balance that you would just have to
live with one way or another…
No problems here. I’m getting fine accuracy with my Condor shooting Kodiaks at 980 – 1000 FPS.
You still have not tried what I suggested (or how I use my Condor .22) about a week ago in another thread, not that you want to tinker with it more.. you ‘re probably tired of that. But I had said to try filling to 2100-2200 with PW 0 to 2 at the most – with the Condor tank. It looks like you ‘ve tried 2600+psi fills and 2100psi, but you adjust the PW to 7 (or 4 one time?). If you go down to PW 0-1 and fill to 2100-2200psi, I think you’ll get the results you are looking for.. decent consistency, lots of shots and 1,000fps to start with (Kodiaks) or under, which should keep the gun pretty quiet. Using PW setting 4 to 7, uses up more air. Keep the PW really low with the Condor tank and you should be able to get a nice balance of consistency & power. But if the Talon tank does it for you without much tinkering stick with that.
Well decided the Condor tank was just way more
than I would ever need so i figured someone else
would enjoy it more so, I don’t have the high flow
tank anymore. I finally got it in my head (thanks to you guys)
that I can’t get big power, stealth, and accuracy all
at the same time…I am seeing now that there is a
trade off and a balance that you would just have to
live with one way or another…This is what I got this
morning with the Talon tank and the 18″ barrel with
shroud clipping fixed. I am finally satisfied with this
combo..I had no idea I could get that kind of fpe with
the pressure that low..I put the 25yd target at the bottom
so you can see the groups that correspond with the
shot strings…By all indictions of these results the 2,000psi
regulated tank I bought should rock…..That will be more
testing another day….
…Sorry for driving you guys nuts with all the changes…..
Fill psi 2,100
PW 2/13
String #1
Kodiak
Low / 718
High / 759
avg / 739 = 25.96 fpe
ES / 41.7
SD / 14.10
1 722.3
2 759.1
3 725.5
4 738.1
5 737.2
6 718.0
7 750.3
8 753.2
9 751.4
10 740.3
ending psi 2000
String #2
JSB Starting psi 2000
Low 764.2
High 794.6
Avg 787.5 = 21.76 fpe
ES 30.56
SD 9.16
1 785.5
2 782.6
3 790.3
4 794.9
5 786.4
6 787.6
7 794.0
8 794.3
9 764.2
10 794.6
Ending psi 1900
String #3
Kodiak starting psi 1900
Low 724.5
High 737.1
Avg 732.1 = 25.47 fpe
ES 12.66
SD 4.12
1 735
2 736
3 732
4 737
5 733
6 724
7 732
8 732
9 727
10 728
Ending psi 1800
String #4
JSB Starting psi 1800
Low 778
High 787
Avg 783 = 21.51 fpe
ES 9.82
SD 3.00
1 785
2 787
3 784
4 786
5 780
6 783
7 782
8 780
9 780
10 778
Ending psi 1700
MC:
You still have not tried what I suggested (or how I use my Condor .22) about a week ago in another thread, not that you want to tinker with it more.. you ‘re probably tired of that. But I had said to try filling to 2100-2200 with PW 0 to 2 at the most – with the Condor tank. It looks like you ‘ve tried 2600+psi fills and 2100psi, but you adjust the PW to 7 (or 4 one time?). If you go down to PW 0-1 and fill to 2100-2200psi, I think you’ll get the results you are looking for.. decent consistency, lots of shots and 1,000fps to start with (Kodiaks) or under, which should keep the gun pretty quiet. Using PW setting 4 to 7, uses up more air. Keep the PW really low with the Condor tank and you should be able to get a nice balance of consistency & power. But if the Talon tank does it for you without much tinkering stick with that.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=13228&posts=6&highlight=condor%20minis%20striker%20weight%201300%20&highlightmode=1#M117255
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=13341&posts=1&highlight=condor%20minis%20striker%20weight%201300%20&highlightmode=1#M106467
Thanks for the info, looks like it worked out great. After testing I decided that the Talon tank with a stock Talon hammer fits the best of what I was looking for…The next thing I am going to check out is a regulated tank…..I’ll keep the best out of those 2 and sell the other….I should be done at that point until someone comes up with something else….Seems it never ends…
Have you tried the condor tank with out the striker weight with the stock hammer . I have a .177 that has a stronger valve spring than the .22 condor tank but that combo gave me a better shot count than the talon tank with or with out the stricker weight . with a stock hammer .Marvin
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=13228&posts=6&highlight=condor%20minis%20striker%20weight%201300%20&highlightmode=1#M117255
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=13341&posts=1&highlight=condor%20minis%20striker%20weight%201300%20&highlightmode=1#M106467
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Regards,
Tony
Thanks Tony…Looks like his advise of 30fpe max is right were my gun starts to get consistant….21.1gr at 818fps = 31.8 fpe
I didn’t get 40 full power shots but I was on PW 4. So that all makes sense….I thought I could get more power than that but oh well…Stealth and accuracy is what I am looking for….
Thanks again Tony….I think I am either were I want to be or really close…..
So looks like I should be filling to about 2,100 with PW 2 and check it from there….
Looks like your close, just some fine tuning…good luck and keep us posted!
Regards,
Tony
about Air Force guns:
Regards,
Tony
Thanks Tony…Looks like his advise of 30fpe max is right were my gun starts to get consistant….21.1gr at 818fps = 31.8 fpe
I didn’t get 40 full power shots but I was on PW 4. So that all makes sense….I thought I could get more power than that but oh well…Stealth and accuracy is what I am looking for….
Thanks again Tony….I think I am either were I want to be or really close…..
So looks like I should be filling to about 2,100 with PW 2 and check it from there….
about Air Force guns:
Regards,
Tony
Cool…Will do…Thanks Tony…
Well I found the bell curve but if you look close there are some really erratic
fps between shots that I can’t figure out how to fix…..
Would it be Top Hat adjustment? Maybe higher PW setting? I need help….
This is with a stock Condor hammer without the weight…
With the weight I could not see a bell curve at 2,800psi even with the PW on 0…
Let me know what you think.
PW 4 / Fill psi 2,800
Low 520 / High 866 / Avg 772 /ES 345 / SD 75.27 <—Not good
1 620
2 520
3 712
4 669
5 709
6 762
7 731
8 798
9 772
10 773
11 650
12 814
13 757
14 787
15 818
16 793
17 779
18 783
19 772
20 792
21 776
22 793
23 760
24 837
25 812
26 812
27 859
28 861
29 850
30 815
31 867
32 858
2nd string same fill
Low 809 / High 875 / Avg 839 / ES 66.05 / SD 15.19 <– Not bad
1 850
2 837
3 875
4 811
5 833
6 871
7 860
8 843
9 809
10 834
11 815
12 834
13 834
14 836
15 852
16 856
17 825
18 844
19 844
20 845
21 836
22 835
23 840
24 840
25 824
26 823
27 840
28 850
29 830
30 842
31 818
32 841
Ending pressure 2,100psi
3rd string / Shots
Low 769 / High 843 / Avg 803 / ES 74.78 / SD 21.14<– YUK!
1 829
2 836
3 830
4 843
5 818 <—-very consistant from here down but not much power…
6 812
7 818
8 838
9 834
10 818
11 812
12 813
13 814
14 810
15 808
16 803
17 796
18 799
19 799
20 800
21 793
22 794
23 789
24 787
25 784
26 785
27 777
28 778
29 778
30 772
31 772
32 768
Ending psi 1,750
Looks like you are on the right path. Try fiddling with the power wheel and the existing 2800 psi fill pressure to see if tha will bring you into a nice curve…if that doesn’t work, try different/lower fill pressures and pw setttings…
Not sure of Top Hat adjustments but there must be a ton of info. on this sight. Another route to take tomorrow is call MAC1 and ask Tim for advice on where to initially set that top hat adjustment, power wheel and fill presssure to get you in the ball park for fine tweaking.
Regards,
Tony
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