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EDgun Matador R3 versus Kalibr Cricket, my comparison….

Hi guys,

Warning for those who don’t like images:

This is going to be a thread with lots of graphics….. 😉

As promised, I’ll try to share with you my personal opinion and findings while comparing these beauties:

As some of you may know, I have two Matador Std R3s and I have one Cricket (with access to another one). All are cal.22……

My wait for my Matadors should be well documented on this very forum…..

The Crickets were a part of a group buy masterminded from Europe somewhere. The Crickets were shipped in parts to Norway and reassembled by my good blueprinting friend Egon Olsen. In the process he had to remove a “restrictor” screw that had been put into the guns before shipment. Most probably because of Power limitation rules at origin….

The Crickets arrived with no documents whatsoever. No instructions, – no nothing. I don’t think this is standard procedure though…..

The Cricket weighs less than the R3, – and is approx 5 cm shorter. Not a lot, – but overall it makes the Cricket even easier to handle than the already tiny R3….

The side by side comparison was done from my modest little shooting table at my summerhouse:

– and the shooting range is here, – with my target set up at 46mts:

Why 46 mts ? Simply because I could not pull my shooting stand further back right now. A huge tree has fallen during winter, and all the branches have taken up my space… 👿

First problem: How to fill the f…. Cricket ?

The fillprobe nut is so tiny that a standard foster coupling gasket will not seal. The entire probe is small, – and you fear you may break it while trying to tighten it:

The above (sorry for the image quality) is a comparison between ED’s, Cricket’s and Falcon’s fill probes. You can probably see what I mean….

As I could not make a standard Fostergasket fit, Egon had to make special gaskets that we fitted into the Foster coupling itself. Not an ideal solution, – and I have no clue how long it will last…….. 🙄

On the fill probe: Matador 1, Cricket 0 points.

Air filling:

I honestly dont like any of the solutions that these two manufacturers have chosen………..

The Cricket people have come up with the worst. To expose the hole for the fillprobe, – you have to slide forward the tip of the reservoir. But that stupid tip is retained by a spring, – and slides back with a smack once you let go:

If you’re not careful when taking the fillprobe back out, the tip will spring back and ruin the fill probe O-rings faster than I can say my name….

While filling, the “tip” rests on the previously mentioned small nut. And there’s not a lot clearance. So a bigger nut (for those with lathe skills), – is not going to help you much. A thicker nut might…….

In short: A very stupid filling system, – BUT once you know how to operate it and care is taken, – at least it covers the hole when filling is over.

The Matador does not come with anything to cover the filling hole at all:

I use tape right now, – but a plug of some sort would be good….. 😉

My preferred system would be that of Falcon:

The tip of the reservoir has been turned into a curled “collar” that you rotate to expose the hole. Simple, easy and effective. And few moving parts that may break or go astray……….

Now, I have no idea how much air I can fill into the Cricket, – and the gun gauge certainly does not help much:

I trust the gauge on my fillkit, – and 3000 psi is roughly on the border between green and yellow…….

Points for airfill procedure: Matador 1, Cricket 0. In my opinion….. 😉

Cheers from Trygve 😀

To be continued……….. 😀

(if you so desire…… 😳 )

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quote SECoda:

Ed,

So what is a Hooligun? How did the Matadors, T4s, Hooliguns, and Crickets all come to be? Will you tell us the story? We love these bullpups.

Best Regards,
Brant

Give the man a break, – ED has told us at least some of the story before:

http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19581&highlight=hooligun

The Hooligun was btw first introduced on Guns.ru in Nov. 2007:

http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/30/261022.html

Cheers
Trygve 😀

Thanks for that link. That Colibri starts to grow on you.

quote SECoda:

KalibrGun is coming out with the Colibri too. A bit strange looking.

There is already a thread in here about the Colibri. It may be a good idea to funnel info about the Humminbird into that to avoid too much confusion………??? 😉

http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25018&highlight=colibri

About the “Hooligun” for those who don’t know: It was produced by Kalibrguns in Russia as a singelshot bolt action much to the same consept as the Matador:

No longer produced as I know it, – but it certainly has some similarities to the R2.5s from ED……………. 😉

The Hooligun was later replaced by the Cricket as we know it….

Cheers
Trygve 😀

Ugly guns 😛

Randy just anodizes them gold or silver. That picture is actually gold.

quote SECoda:

I want the FX Bobcat to be a great airgun but my buddy already said it looks a little like a Beluga whale with the butt of the stock hanging out the back. 🙁 I can’t get that picture out of my mind.

:whoop: OH YEAH!!!!!! :whoop:

Well the Colibri looks like a fire extinguisher!!! (although I might buy one if it’s short enough)

I’ll bet it doesn’t even come in .25 caliber!!!

Greatly chagrinned….

Saintly ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 t

PS: how did you get that Stubby shroud all shiny and nice????? Looks great!

I want the FX Bobcat to be a great airgun but my buddy already said it looks a little like a Beluga whale with the butt of the stock hanging out the back. 🙁 I can’t get that picture out of my mind.

And now that FX is going into the bullpub market. Maybe we can get Zocoloco to drive over to Sweden and grab a FX Bobcat to throw into the mix:)

Cheers,

dwm

You know my .25 R&L Stubby with the Hi-flo valve and Maddog stock is about the same configuration as the Colibri and does it very well. 33 FPE and very accurate. About $900 with the shroud. (no plans to sell it)

SECoda, as for a story, it is long and not interesting, all parts in that story has their own view, so mine could be considered as wrong one 🙂

Hoot — I’ve been building EDgun brand as a high quality product and have no intention to low it down to Crossman level making cheap guns, sorry 🙂 As I cynically tell to those in Russia who ask me the same question — if you have no money to buy my gun — change your job. Might sound rude but true. The price for Matador is based on the expenditures I put in making it. I know that is quite often in the world now when manufacturers are willing to sell their product for the price lower then it cost them to make it, taking credits etc, just to keep their place at the market. I consider it stupid. I explained it already — if nobody will buy my guns for the price which makes reasonable to make them — I will just stop making them and you can buy cheaper guns, but whether you win or not — life will show.

quote SECoda:

KalibrGun is coming out with the Colibri too. A bit strange looking.

Some Nice Cricket music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtEh-RwhtTc
I wonder if those are Mavericks kids toys in the clip?


I hope they make it here to the US. I would definitely buy one.

quote SECoda:

KalibrGun is coming out with the Colibri too. A bit strange looking.

Some Nice Cricket music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtEh-RwhtTc
I wonder if those are Mavericks kids toys in the clip?


I hope they make it here to the US. I would definitely buy one.

KalibrGun is coming out with the Colibri too. A bit strange looking.

Some Nice Cricket music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtEh-RwhtTc
I wonder if those are Mavericks kids toys in the clip?


Morana in .22?
Like to see it in .25 and .223 too!

Will you be lowering the price of the basic Matador, now that you are catching up to the demand for your product?

It would be nice to have at least one model that is affordable to more shooters. The current price is too much for the average working person.

Perhaps a simple, single shot, bolt action, no sights, picatinny rail mount, with an effective shroud and wood stock!

Regards,

Hoot.

Ed,

Sounds very good. Keep the great products coming ( I need a .25 bullpup but a .30 might top it especially if jsb comes out with a Predator pellet that works well for .30). We like as much power and accuracy over here as we can get. 🙂

So what is a Hooligun? How did the Matadors, T4s, Hooliguns, and Crickets all come to be? Will you tell us the story? We love these bullpups.

Yes KalibrGun is keeping very quiet. Maverick must really control the flow of information. The US dealers talk but they dont seem to know much yet. I am into home built airplanes too and it is very difficult to get info from the Czech vendors but they make some great stuff.

Best Regards,
Brant

quote Ed:

Nice to read it 🙂 like “rumors and speculations”. Well, being still single shot gun manufacturer, the old style Matador, doomed to be fade off by the new up-to date multyshot guns I am still here :). Just for information — in 2012 I produced TWISE as many Matadors as in 2011. All are sold being built not from the stock. In 2013 I have plans to produce at least TWISE as many Matadors as in 2012. So, American user felt it by having shorter period of waiting.

Tastes differ I know, I met some Maverick dealer in Germany, they came to me at IWA 2013 talking a lot. I have no intention to spread the information they gave me, the only thing I know — time goes by and all will be sorted out in a proper place 🙂

On my side I do hope to make some of shooters happy presenting them a new Morana this summer in .22 caliber and Matador in .30 caliber. Hope they will like it.

😀 😀 😀 😮

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