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EDgun Matador R3 versus Kalibr Cricket, my comparison….

Hi guys,

Warning for those who don’t like images:

This is going to be a thread with lots of graphics….. 😉

As promised, I’ll try to share with you my personal opinion and findings while comparing these beauties:

As some of you may know, I have two Matador Std R3s and I have one Cricket (with access to another one). All are cal.22……

My wait for my Matadors should be well documented on this very forum…..

The Crickets were a part of a group buy masterminded from Europe somewhere. The Crickets were shipped in parts to Norway and reassembled by my good blueprinting friend Egon Olsen. In the process he had to remove a “restrictor” screw that had been put into the guns before shipment. Most probably because of Power limitation rules at origin….

The Crickets arrived with no documents whatsoever. No instructions, – no nothing. I don’t think this is standard procedure though…..

The Cricket weighs less than the R3, – and is approx 5 cm shorter. Not a lot, – but overall it makes the Cricket even easier to handle than the already tiny R3….

The side by side comparison was done from my modest little shooting table at my summerhouse:

– and the shooting range is here, – with my target set up at 46mts:

Why 46 mts ? Simply because I could not pull my shooting stand further back right now. A huge tree has fallen during winter, and all the branches have taken up my space… 👿

First problem: How to fill the f…. Cricket ?

The fillprobe nut is so tiny that a standard foster coupling gasket will not seal. The entire probe is small, – and you fear you may break it while trying to tighten it:

The above (sorry for the image quality) is a comparison between ED’s, Cricket’s and Falcon’s fill probes. You can probably see what I mean….

As I could not make a standard Fostergasket fit, Egon had to make special gaskets that we fitted into the Foster coupling itself. Not an ideal solution, – and I have no clue how long it will last…….. 🙄

On the fill probe: Matador 1, Cricket 0 points.

Air filling:

I honestly dont like any of the solutions that these two manufacturers have chosen………..

The Cricket people have come up with the worst. To expose the hole for the fillprobe, – you have to slide forward the tip of the reservoir. But that stupid tip is retained by a spring, – and slides back with a smack once you let go:

If you’re not careful when taking the fillprobe back out, the tip will spring back and ruin the fill probe O-rings faster than I can say my name….

While filling, the “tip” rests on the previously mentioned small nut. And there’s not a lot clearance. So a bigger nut (for those with lathe skills), – is not going to help you much. A thicker nut might…….

In short: A very stupid filling system, – BUT once you know how to operate it and care is taken, – at least it covers the hole when filling is over.

The Matador does not come with anything to cover the filling hole at all:

I use tape right now, – but a plug of some sort would be good….. 😉

My preferred system would be that of Falcon:

The tip of the reservoir has been turned into a curled “collar” that you rotate to expose the hole. Simple, easy and effective. And few moving parts that may break or go astray……….

Now, I have no idea how much air I can fill into the Cricket, – and the gun gauge certainly does not help much:

I trust the gauge on my fillkit, – and 3000 psi is roughly on the border between green and yellow…….

Points for airfill procedure: Matador 1, Cricket 0. In my opinion….. 😉

Cheers from Trygve 😀

To be continued……….. 😀

(if you so desire…… 😳 )

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H 😯 😯 T good joke 😆 😆

Is very good we have this thread with comparison both good gun cricket and matador 😉

quote steeldreams007:

128 thousand views covered by 27 pages, do we have a partial unofficial semblance of which is which here?

Cricket or Edgun Matador?

The Cricket at the beginning of this thread is not the Cricket discussed at this point. Now we have lots of new owners to test, respond, and elaborate on who, what, where, when, how and why of “Cricketness”. If Ed had a multi shot, it would be a close call for me at this point. The magazine ocntrol mechanism in the breech seems a bit complex, but it does prevent dual loading, at least for me, and that’s a big plus in my book.

I’m still getting mine dialed in for accuracy and shot count. It takes time, but the .25 is meeting all my expectations fully.

H 😯 😯 t

quote octavius:

Thanks H 😯 😯 T for sharing. Is there any method how to measure pressure behind the regulator? On HW100 I have manometer and I exactly know how pressure I set.

Similar guide is here too: http://www.fieldtarget.cz/vetrovky/kalibrgun-cricket-tuning.html

Most excellent information….Number Eight!!! You may now move yourself up one rung, and rename yourself “Septavius”.

Kindly ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 t

128 thousand views covered by 27 pages, do we have a partial unofficial semblance of which is which here?

Cricket or Edgun Matador?

H 😯 😯 t,

Is it not possible to approach the regulator from the gauge side?

Regards, Robert

Thanks H 😯 😯 T for sharing. Is there any method how to measure pressure behind the regulator? On HW100 I have manometer and I exactly know how pressure I set.

Similar guide is here too: http://www.fieldtarget.cz/vetrovky/kalibrgun-cricket-tuning.html

Ernest Rowe posted these pictures and explanation, of how to raise/lower the fps via the Cricket adjuster:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1361101947/Cricket+.177+to+.25++Regulator+Adjustment+with+photos

In case, for any reason, Ernest Rowe’s post is deleted, or the photos erased, I have taken the freedom to copy them, and preserve them here for future use:

All these photos are provided by Ernest Rowe, as originally posted by him on “The Yellow”…

This is invaluable information to us Cricket owners!!!

Thanks Ernest!!!

H 😯 😯 t

That forum appears to be broken… 😕

Cool – Can we register new?

quote zocoloco:

quote trasor:

So the Morana will be a multi-shot or a single?
Will it have a different internal design than the Matador?
Will it include the electronic trigger?
What is the expected price?

Ed, please answer this as I want a new gun and I’m willing to wait for a Morana.

As this thread is supposed to cover Matador/Cricket, – it may be a good idea to leave “Morana” spesific questions out of it. This in order to avoid a total collaps of the thread and a more “navigable” forum, – dont you agree ??? 😉

That said, you’re not the only one interested in the Morana, so a Morana spesific thread is a good idea…….. 😀

Cheers
Trygve 😀 (who begins to realize that even I have problems now finding information posted in my own thread……. 😳 😳 😳

Perhaps you need to start new topics? 😕 Hehe, i’ve gotten hopelessly lost in this thread a few times now. 😉

But then again you wouldn’t be able to boast about a record number of replies and page views… 😉

It’s the nature of the beast Zoco, all threads, if long enough will eventually go sideways. 😀

Perhaps some new photos of the pair can get things back on track!! 😀 😉

This is what I wanted to know.

So it appears Ed started it out of his own personal need for it, perfected it, commercialized it and now the “fan boys” are now trying to get a piece of the market pie Ed created out of thin air.

Some of the hangers on might have a feature or 2 that seem like an improvement but at best I think they might be able to tie the performance and will never be as sexy as the EdGun.

Of course everyone knows what opinions are like….

quote zocoloco:

quote SECoda:

Ed,

So what is a Hooligun? How did the Matadors, T4s, Hooliguns, and Crickets all come to be? Will you tell us the story? We love these bullpups.

Best Regards,
Brant

Give the man a break, – ED has told us at least some of the story before:

http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19581&highlight=hooligun

The Hooligun was btw first introduced on Guns.ru in Nov. 2007:

http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/30/261022.html

Cheers
Trygve 😀

quote trasor:

So the Morana will be a multi-shot or a single?
Will it have a different internal design than the Matador?
Will it include the electronic trigger?
What is the expected price?

Ed, please answer this as I want a new gun and I’m willing to wait for a Morana.

As this thread is supposed to cover Matador/Cricket, – it may be a good idea to leave “Morana” spesific questions out of it. This in order to avoid a total collaps of the thread and a more “navigable” forum, – dont you agree ??? 😉

That said, you’re not the only one interested in the Morana, so a Morana spesific thread is a good idea…….. 😀

Cheers
Trygve 😀 (who begins to realize that even I have problems now finding information posted in my own thread……. 😳 😳 😳

So the Morana will be a multi-shot or a single?
Will it have a different internal design than the Matador?
Will it include the electronic trigger?
What is the expected price?

Ed, please answer this as I want a new gun and I’m willing to wait for a Morana.

Now this is a great link. A young Ed and the Russian bullpup story. I just knew he must have had a blog/history out there somewhere.

http://www.edgun.narod.ru/

Regards,
Brant

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