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EDgun Matador R3 versus Kalibr Cricket, my comparison….

Hi guys,

Warning for those who don’t like images:

This is going to be a thread with lots of graphics….. πŸ˜‰

As promised, I’ll try to share with you my personal opinion and findings while comparing these beauties:

As some of you may know, I have two Matador Std R3s and I have one Cricket (with access to another one). All are cal.22……

My wait for my Matadors should be well documented on this very forum…..

The Crickets were a part of a group buy masterminded from Europe somewhere. The Crickets were shipped in parts to Norway and reassembled by my good blueprinting friend Egon Olsen. In the process he had to remove a “restrictor” screw that had been put into the guns before shipment. Most probably because of Power limitation rules at origin….

The Crickets arrived with no documents whatsoever. No instructions, – no nothing. I don’t think this is standard procedure though…..

The Cricket weighs less than the R3, – and is approx 5 cm shorter. Not a lot, – but overall it makes the Cricket even easier to handle than the already tiny R3….

The side by side comparison was done from my modest little shooting table at my summerhouse:

– and the shooting range is here, – with my target set up at 46mts:

Why 46 mts ? Simply because I could not pull my shooting stand further back right now. A huge tree has fallen during winter, and all the branches have taken up my space… πŸ‘Ώ

First problem: How to fill the f…. Cricket ?

The fillprobe nut is so tiny that a standard foster coupling gasket will not seal. The entire probe is small, – and you fear you may break it while trying to tighten it:

The above (sorry for the image quality) is a comparison between ED’s, Cricket’s and Falcon’s fill probes. You can probably see what I mean….

As I could not make a standard Fostergasket fit, Egon had to make special gaskets that we fitted into the Foster coupling itself. Not an ideal solution, – and I have no clue how long it will last…….. πŸ™„

On the fill probe: Matador 1, Cricket 0 points.

Air filling:

I honestly dont like any of the solutions that these two manufacturers have chosen………..

The Cricket people have come up with the worst. To expose the hole for the fillprobe, – you have to slide forward the tip of the reservoir. But that stupid tip is retained by a spring, – and slides back with a smack once you let go:

If you’re not careful when taking the fillprobe back out, the tip will spring back and ruin the fill probe O-rings faster than I can say my name….

While filling, the “tip” rests on the previously mentioned small nut. And there’s not a lot clearance. So a bigger nut (for those with lathe skills), – is not going to help you much. A thicker nut might…….

In short: A very stupid filling system, – BUT once you know how to operate it and care is taken, – at least it covers the hole when filling is over.

The Matador does not come with anything to cover the filling hole at all:

I use tape right now, – but a plug of some sort would be good….. πŸ˜‰

My preferred system would be that of Falcon:

The tip of the reservoir has been turned into a curled “collar” that you rotate to expose the hole. Simple, easy and effective. And few moving parts that may break or go astray……….

Now, I have no idea how much air I can fill into the Cricket, – and the gun gauge certainly does not help much:

I trust the gauge on my fillkit, – and 3000 psi is roughly on the border between green and yellow…….

Points for airfill procedure: Matador 1, Cricket 0. In my opinion….. πŸ˜‰

Cheers from Trygve πŸ˜€

To be continued……….. πŸ˜€

(if you so desire…… 😳 )

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Hello Nik; my poor misguided Bulgarian friend! πŸ˜†

I did post a step by step video on taking the R3 apart and tuning it.

http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21283&highlight=removing+adjusting++regulator

I am not happy with that video, it was my 4th take and I wasn’t going to try another. However; I do think that it covers the steps needed to take down, adjust, tune and reassemble a R3.

I won’t be making a video on a Cricket; I don’t plan on buying one as I don’t think that they are built as well as the Matadors are built and I don’t like to use a magazine. I have found that my air guns that have a mag shoot more accurately with a single shot loading tray.

How is your R3 standard shooting after you got it back from ED?

Trygve and Nik, I am very sorry to hear about the deaths of someone that was close to you!

quote Hoot:

The Goat, or you, needs to write a “How to do it” booklet on parts, pieces, and adjusting the same for performance and accuracy.

H 😯 😯 t

Booklet will not do for a visually oriented mechanical idiot like me :cry::cry::cry:
P L E A S E, some of you geniuses out there, make a step-by-step video on taking apart, servicing and adjusting the muzzle velocity of both guns.
T H A N K Y O U ❗ ❗ ❗

Sorry to hear about the incident, Trygve. I lost someone very close to me last week.

Lot’s of inquiries since the Bug hit the States.

Kalibr sent a large lot, with more on the way, so your thread is getting a lot of info out to the ignorant masses. Many many questions! Apparently the Bug manual is as sparse on technical details as the Matador book.

The Goat, or you, needs to write a “How to do it” booklet on parts, pieces, and adjusting the same for performance and accuracy.

Sorry about the bad incident with the woman! That can really wreck a visit.

H 😯 😯 t

quote Hoot:

Still, I’d certainly like to see pictures of the both the Matador and Lelya innards. Some of us are visually oriented when learning…words and numbers become confusing when used alone.

H 😯 😯 t

I’m in process but it takes time to fully comply Sir….. πŸ˜‰

Also that a woman in my immediate surroundings just hanged herself does not help much……. πŸ˜₯

Time will show……….

But wholy shait, – more than 100 K views now !!! 😯 😯 😯

When did that happen ???

Cheers from
Trygve, – stressed out of his usually good natured mind right now…. πŸ˜•

quote Hoot:

Still, I’d certainly like to see pictures of the both the Matador and Lelya innards. Some of us are visually oriented when learning…words and numbers become confusing when used alone.

Yes, please, would someone do it ❓ to help a complete and utter mechanical idiot like myself πŸ˜₯ πŸ˜₯ πŸ˜₯

It took me two years to master my Lonestar following some great visual step-by-step instructions on the BSA forum. I’m scared stiff to touch anything on my .25 R3 Standard for the lack of an idiot proof guide how to go about it.

And perhaps it’s not such a bad idea to make a sticky of all the Oldgoat posts πŸ’‘

BTW, which is the easier to work on/fine tune — the Matador or the Cricket?

Thanks,
πŸ™‚

There is so much information from knowledgeable individuals on this forum thread, that I’d speculate it is the premier info “Go To” site in the Western hemisphere.

I believe the Russians have one of their own, but I can’t manage the language difference.

Still, I’d certainly like to see pictures of the both the Matador and Lelya innards. Some of us are visually oriented when learning…words and numbers become confusing when used alone.

The Cricket is a deserving contender, so far. There is much to learn about it.

H 😯 😯 t

quote Hoot:

Steeldreams007 is a man wise beyond his years!

H 😯 😯 t

I am just an insignificant pebble
to a huge rock of wisdom
that Uncle Hoot is..
in this planetary system of
Matadors though not against bulls
and Crickets, though not of entomology
😎

Steeldreams007 is a man wise beyond his years!

H 😯 😯 t

quote Hoot:

Ty….is there any possibility of disassembly of the valve and regulator to see what, mechanically, is going on inside the two parts?

Many adjustments have been tried, to no avail. Perhaps it’s time to take a peek inside and see what’s afoot???

Regards,

H 😯 😯 T

yeah, I agree with Hoot.. and I think this the best place to see both Cricket and Matador.. reg+valve.. mechanically

hopefully will see something before my eyes get blurry with age.. πŸ˜₯ πŸ™‚

He is not old. He does tings that I find hard to do, and I’m only 34. Every man is as old as he thinks/feels he is. And if we apply that, you can pick on me anytime. BTW, I know you made a joke πŸ˜‰

quote zocoloco:

Hello from Lanzarote !!! πŸ˜€

– I have a request:

Would you please stop emailing/messaging me about what rifle to choose ? πŸ™„

I cannot answer that question, and I don’t think anybody else can either. It all depends on your own situation and needs……

Also, it is far too early to be able to draw any sort of final conclusion….

So please, – give an old man a break !!! 😳

Thanks…… πŸ˜€

Yes, please, – give that OLD man a break!!!

Instead of asking him what rifle to choose, you should seek his advice how to earn enough money to buy ALL the rifles he has 😯 😯

Friend Nik πŸ˜†

Answer is easy. – Get both!

Hello from Lanzarote !!! πŸ˜€

– I have a request:

Would you please stop emailing/messaging me about what rifle to choose ? πŸ™„

I cannot answer that question, and I don’t think anybody else can either. It all depends on your own situation and needs……

Also, it is far too early to be able to draw any sort of final conclusion….

So please, – give an old man a break !!! 😳

Thanks…… πŸ˜€

quote sparky69:

Loa?? You mean overall length?
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Yes, Sir, length overall. As a boatman I’m used to that abreviation for overall lengh ❗ I am particularly interested in it to see if I can shoot a .25 Cricket out of a car window, which to me is the whole purpose of a bullpup πŸ˜‰

πŸ™‚

Loa?? You mean overall length?
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