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EDgun Matador R3 versus Kalibr Cricket, my comparison….

Hi guys,

Warning for those who don’t like images:

This is going to be a thread with lots of graphics….. 😉

As promised, I’ll try to share with you my personal opinion and findings while comparing these beauties:

As some of you may know, I have two Matador Std R3s and I have one Cricket (with access to another one). All are cal.22……

My wait for my Matadors should be well documented on this very forum…..

The Crickets were a part of a group buy masterminded from Europe somewhere. The Crickets were shipped in parts to Norway and reassembled by my good blueprinting friend Egon Olsen. In the process he had to remove a “restrictor” screw that had been put into the guns before shipment. Most probably because of Power limitation rules at origin….

The Crickets arrived with no documents whatsoever. No instructions, – no nothing. I don’t think this is standard procedure though…..

The Cricket weighs less than the R3, – and is approx 5 cm shorter. Not a lot, – but overall it makes the Cricket even easier to handle than the already tiny R3….

The side by side comparison was done from my modest little shooting table at my summerhouse:

– and the shooting range is here, – with my target set up at 46mts:

Why 46 mts ? Simply because I could not pull my shooting stand further back right now. A huge tree has fallen during winter, and all the branches have taken up my space… 👿

First problem: How to fill the f…. Cricket ?

The fillprobe nut is so tiny that a standard foster coupling gasket will not seal. The entire probe is small, – and you fear you may break it while trying to tighten it:

The above (sorry for the image quality) is a comparison between ED’s, Cricket’s and Falcon’s fill probes. You can probably see what I mean….

As I could not make a standard Fostergasket fit, Egon had to make special gaskets that we fitted into the Foster coupling itself. Not an ideal solution, – and I have no clue how long it will last…….. 🙄

On the fill probe: Matador 1, Cricket 0 points.

Air filling:

I honestly dont like any of the solutions that these two manufacturers have chosen………..

The Cricket people have come up with the worst. To expose the hole for the fillprobe, – you have to slide forward the tip of the reservoir. But that stupid tip is retained by a spring, – and slides back with a smack once you let go:

If you’re not careful when taking the fillprobe back out, the tip will spring back and ruin the fill probe O-rings faster than I can say my name….

While filling, the “tip” rests on the previously mentioned small nut. And there’s not a lot clearance. So a bigger nut (for those with lathe skills), – is not going to help you much. A thicker nut might…….

In short: A very stupid filling system, – BUT once you know how to operate it and care is taken, – at least it covers the hole when filling is over.

The Matador does not come with anything to cover the filling hole at all:

I use tape right now, – but a plug of some sort would be good….. 😉

My preferred system would be that of Falcon:

The tip of the reservoir has been turned into a curled “collar” that you rotate to expose the hole. Simple, easy and effective. And few moving parts that may break or go astray……….

Now, I have no idea how much air I can fill into the Cricket, – and the gun gauge certainly does not help much:

I trust the gauge on my fillkit, – and 3000 psi is roughly on the border between green and yellow…….

Points for airfill procedure: Matador 1, Cricket 0. In my opinion….. 😉

Cheers from Trygve 😀

To be continued……….. 😀

(if you so desire…… 😳 )

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quote Tony Byrne:

Adam the .25 would use less air and give you more shots per charge at the same output,

Isn’t the exact opposite the real effect?

.25 = MORE air usage, thus LESS shots….

I’m confused, but that’s nothing new in my house 🙄

H 😯 😯 T

quote adam1977:

IN 22 caliber a ultra gives around 30 shots at 12ftp 25 cal would mybe get 5 more shots from it…

so fac power would be 10 shots or so pretty crap really and for the money
i think ther a waist of time and money.. after owning one for a few months it was sold due to lack of shots,,

my mini stealth would completly kill it in every way 😉
thats why i built it to beat up all the small carbins on offer and il get around 120 shots from it.. 😉

Adam the .25 would use less air and give you more shots per charge at the same output,

quote moonbear:

quote Tony Byrne:

quote moonbear:

follow the link stats further dowm.. http://www.bsaguns.co.uk/airgun_ultra.php

only the lonestar and scorpion SE available in .25 according to the link

one of the airgun mags as a feature running with some guy on a farm useing a .25 ultra along side various others he uses. will see if i can find more info not the 1st time bsa have been behind in updating that log.. 🙂

Phil8282 knocked up a few .25 ultras, you can contact him on the BSA owners club, he may still have a few barrels, link to a .25 ultra thread

http://bsaog.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=39213.0

quote Tony Byrne:

quote moonbear:

quote koljo:

Where? Factory or one off? How many shots per fill from the Ultra’s tiny reservoir?!?!?

Thanks 🙂

follow the link stats further dowm.. http://www.bsaguns.co.uk/airgun_ultra.php

only the lonestar and scorpion SE available in .25 according to the link

one of the airgun mags as a feature running with some guy on a farm useing a .25 ultra along side various others he uses. will see if i can find more info not the 1st time bsa have been behind in updating that log.. 🙂

quote moonbear:

quote koljo:

quote moonbear:

yes there is a .25 ultra 🙂

Where? Factory or one off? How many shots per fill from the Ultra’s tiny reservoir?!?!?

Thanks 🙂

follow the link stats further dowm.. http://www.bsaguns.co.uk/airgun_ultra.php

only the lonestar and scorpion SE available in .25 according to the link

quote koljo:

quote moonbear:

quote koljo:

Unfortunately no .25 Ultras 😥

yes there is a .25 ultra 🙂

Where? Factory or one off? How many shots per fill from the Ultra’s tiny reservoir?!?!?

Thanks 🙂

follow the link stats further dowm.. http://www.bsaguns.co.uk/airgun_ultra.php

IN 22 caliber a ultra gives around 30 shots at 12ftp 25 cal would mybe get 5 more shots from it…

so fac power would be 10 shots or so pretty crap really and for the money
i think ther a waist of time and money.. after owning one for a few months it was sold due to lack of shots,,

my mini stealth would completly kill it in every way 😉
thats why i built it to beat up all the small carbins on offer and il get around 120 shots from it.. 😉

quote moonbear:

quote koljo:

quote zocoloco:

Anybody tried a BSA Ultra barrel ??? 😉

😀

Unfortunately no .25 Ultras 😥

yes there is a .25 ultra 🙂

Where? Factory or one off? How many shots per fill from the Ultra’s tiny reservoir?!?!?

Thanks 🙂

Great forum and a great thread, glad I ran into this before putting the cash down for a cricket. The edgun needs a mutishot mag at least as an option, that was the main reason for considering the Kalibr brand. I know Ed has backorders but I can honestly say I would rather go with edgun over Kalibr if a mutishot magazine was offered just based off this review. Thanks for the thorough review and time spent showing the rifle. Would love to get my hands on a 25 cal R3 Long with multishot capability.

quote koljo:

quote zocoloco:

Anybody tried a BSA Ultra barrel ??? 😉

😀

Unfortunately no .25 Ultras 😥

yes there is a .25 ultra 🙂

Hmmmm…..

Well friends, – what can I say ???? 🙄

Close to three weeks since I asked my above question. And roughly some 6000 views in the same period……..

Apparently a lot of people interested in his comments/answer……

Why is it that ED doesn’t answer…..??? 🙁

I certainly would have…..

I must admit I find ED’s approach somewhat strange here…..

Am I the only one ….???

Cheers from me in Lanzarote…. 😉

PS: Hoot, – I showed your “ugly” dream to my female friend here. She can’t promise you anything, – BUT she said she would want to meet you one of these days..!!! 😯 😯 😯

quote Ed:

… I appreciate your efforts to focus my attention to minor things, which are still imprtant…

Ed, may I take this opportunity to focus your attention to my minor problem 😉

Thank you in advance!

🙂

ED, – me again, – sorry:

– but just to illustrate one of the worries I have for the alu breach……

Kindly look at this corner here:

You see how its being rounded by the allenscrew’s head as you lock/unlock the bolt. And as a consequence there’s a buildup of a tiny steel “mountain” which continuoulsy scrapes against the top of the slider…..

Now this is steel. Can you imagine how wear and tear may shape an alu breech if the breech design remains the same….??? 🙄

Another interesting detail can be revealed from the same image:

On the left side of the visible part of the bolt, – you can clearly see how the ridges and grooves of the breech bore have painted an image of themselves in the grease. And how different that part of the bore appears from the rest of it. Can you imagine the feel of the bolt ball bearing as it travels across this “terrain”…???? Proof good enough that my bore can never provide a smooth cocking action………. 😉

Do you still say this is within your “acceptable limits” and that all R3 breech bores are the same ????

I expect a simple “Yes” or “No” answer to the above question…….. 😉

Cheers 😀

ED,

A rod bearing may be good BUT the surface above it where the slider (or whatever future bearing) is rubbing itself has to be much smoother/polished. If not, you’ll just create another element of rugged action…….. 😉

The surface underneath the bolt in my breeches is really rough and has never seen any attempt by anyone to make it smooth. Not even an attempt to remove razor sharp edges ready to cut into the top of the slider has been tried….. 😥

Its remarkable the difference in feel when you try to cock the gun by pulling the hammer back with your fingers. All you can feel is the increased tension of the spring itself, – but the feel is “clean” and with no “murky” elements.

The cocking “roughness” comes from the friction I just mentioned and of course the ridges/valleys in the bolt bore itself……

The latter being discussed elsewhere………. 😉

Cheers 😀

PS: I am curious to find out how the new alu breech will take the pressure from the lump/slider in the long run. That alloy has to be good !!! 😉

Thanx, Trygve, I always knew that I have to had my own gun to use it for a long time as a client, instead I use always new guns 🙂

Anyhow, I appreciate your efforts to focus my attention to minor things, which are still imprtant. Having looked you your picutre I thought that I have to try to make a square groove at the front side of the slider, just about 5-6 mm to keep the front wall alive, then to put a round rod to that groove to have it protrude above the surface of the slider for about 0.2 mm. So while cocking that rod will work as a bearing, revolving which will make the cocking easier. Will try tomorrow 🙂 Thanks again!

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