Gun Expo Tradgedy, Accidental Death.
Father takes 8 year old son/s to a Machine gun Expo/Fun Shoot. Father let’s 8 year old son, Shoot a fully Automatic Uzi Sub machine gun. The boy shoots at a pumpkin and looses control of the Uzi and shoots himself in the head. The Uzi flips up all the way over to shoot backwards.
Now the local sheriff and the 2 Expo sponsors are being charged with manslaughter. No negligence charge against the Father. Who’s at fault here, would you let your 8 year old son shoot a full Auto handgun? Most adults can’t control a Full Automatic handgun! This is a tragedy, and shooter lacked proper training. Who’s responsible for a minor, and or his/her personal safety/gun safety? Wonder if they posted “Enter at Your Own Risk”?
Being a minor and not being responsible for his actions, why shouldn’t it fall to the parents/guardian? I think the shooter should be responsible, but being a minor, what do you think?
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Sam 🙁
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The Feds want to maintain control because There are a lot of things going on down there , that the general public is unaware of .But I wont discuss that issue any further .
I found a use for this one!!
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not to continue our Special Olympics much further but I do need to point out that there was not much in the way of Law Enforcement Officers in this Nation up through the 1845 and the creation of the First real Police Force for the City of New York.
Yes there were some local Constables, County Sheriffs and a scant handful of US Marshals but most actual Law Enforcement was actually at the hands of the Citizens themselves
Same is true in the Desert or other wilderness
Yes ordained LEOs are granted much higher authority under the Law
that said, up to but not including Federal Code in most jurisdictions plain citizens do have the authority to detain violators of the Law under what is loosely termed “Citizens Arrest”
point is under your view that LEOs are the LAW actually each and every citizen is the LAW as well and it was certainly that way for far longer in our nation than its been otherwise.
as an aside one retired Border Patrol officer I know claims the actual reason the Feds are down on the AZ law is due to the powers it might give individual non LEOs to take wetbacks into custody under the powers of Citizens Arrest at the State level…
He may have something there
Nobody likes bad cops , not the people and certainly not the cops , they are quite embarrassed by them , it does nothing to help thier public image .
I agree with that 100 % But I think there is a misunderstanding somewhere when”” they say they are the law “” This has nothing to do with ego .
It seems some people take it in the literal sense where the officer makes and decides the law . that isnt the case at all . what is meant by it is that the when an officer arrives at the sene of a crime one could say that the law has arrived , not in the sense of the individual of course , but the representative of the law has arrived so in that sense of the word the law has arrived . or law enforcement arrived
It is more of a figure of speech than a truism . the law is made in the courts and Congress and the senate it is made at the state houses
law enforcement has no part in any decision makeing other than possibly advisory .
Law enforcement is given authority by the state to question and detain suspects of a crime , they are agents of the state, acting on behalf of the state to enforce the states mandates . they are not literally the state .
but in a figurative way they are . They are representing the state .
when people go to court they receive papers that say the people of NY state VS the shitbag . it doesnt say officer schmoo vs shitbag because the officer is acting on behalf of the state .on the street , in effect he is the law
which brings us to a thing called officer discretion , an officer can choose to make an arrest or not useing his own judgment in minor violations of the law .
Take for instance a poor Mexican kid who is in the parking lot of a Kmart
and he washes the windows of people s cars without them asking or agreeing to pay him , the manager calls and bitches that he is harassing his customers and losing business and wants him arrested
Officer schmoo knows this kid only has a mother who is sick and is using the money to buy food his mother and him , the manager insists that he arrested .
officer schmoo has legal discretion at his disposal he can arrest the boy or he can talk with the boy , its up to officer schmoo .
officers have a lot of legal leeway when enforcing the law I think this is sometimes perceived as doing what ever he wants , it s not it supposed to be “”in the best interest of justice””
Has it ever been abused? Im sure it has.
As far being the law its really a matter of perception and opinion then an actual fact . and it really doesnt mean anything because it changes nothing about the authority from the state that is given to the officer.
when I went deep into the desert in the middle of the night , there was no law out there, there were no cops out there and sometimes no border other than a line drawn on some map, and the law was somewhere in some books
the only thing out there was BP and some badguys , thats it, there was no law out there, it didnt exist in that reality other than the officers sworn to uphold it , they were the only law out there , there was no congress or senators out there no lawyers no DA no judges .
so in this sense of the meaning , BP officers were/are the law out there .
the argument they are not seems to be semantics , one could say they are or not , its how it is perceived .
They certainly do not make the laws they are not law makers in that sense they are not the law .
I really think its much ado about nothing , its a phrase , a manner of speaking ,it carries no legal weight
but you have to ask yourself , would there be law without law enforcers?
no , so in that sense they are the the legal represenitives of the law . In a law less area they are the law .with out them the law doesnt exsist except in books .
Maybe you dont agree with it but at least it might help to gain some insight into my position.
PS. Im glad somebody laughs at my jokes 😀
If your looking for your goat, I think Riverside has been playing with it. 😆
Roachcreek
playing with it hell…….maybe playing “doctor” 😯
Actually HO, it was pretty neutral!
I know we have had a good ding dong in the past, but your god damn humour always make me smile, and its difficult not to like a guy who makes you laugh…
RS hates bad cops, as do I. When they abuse their position, it makes the blood boil, and unfortunately, here at least, thats is the norm these days. My FEO is a good chap, a shooter like I am and he sees things from a ‘normal’ persons perspective. But most cops here seem to think they are in their own private club. They speed, frame people who they decide they don’t like, generally abuse their position. Plus, as you know, I’m a great believer in the idea that LEOs are here to serve US, not the other way round. They are not THE LAW, they are public servants upholding the laws that we, the general public, have voted in. In this day and age, law enforcement seems to attract exactly the type of character that is least suited to it, the ones that were bullied, have small dicks or are beaten by their wives etc.
Damn it, I wasn’t gonna post……. 😆
You guys.. 😆
No Wok he said a fatty not a shorty
Well I apologize for being a dick , if I was .
Thanks for biteing your tounge Pabs, I have a feeling it wasnt Pro HO 😆
That is gay talk for “Blow WOK” 😀
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Be strong brother 😆
Must…resist…posting…….. 😆
Yeah you two need to hug and go smoke a fatty. 😆
Look, lets just call this nonsense quits already I dont want to waste any more time on this OK . We look like two assholes .
All Im saying is be little more carefull about your wording
So lets just end this shit .
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The father of the victim, Charles Bizilj signed a waiver at the expo acknowledging the risks, including death, and absolving anyone of any liability if something bad happened. Therefore he had no legal rights to sue?
The plaintiffs were found ‘Not Guilty’, acquitted. So I still think it was poor judgement and totally the father responsibility.
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Sam 😡