Gun Expo Tradgedy, Accidental Death.
Father takes 8 year old son/s to a Machine gun Expo/Fun Shoot. Father let’s 8 year old son, Shoot a fully Automatic Uzi Sub machine gun. The boy shoots at a pumpkin and looses control of the Uzi and shoots himself in the head. The Uzi flips up all the way over to shoot backwards.
Now the local sheriff and the 2 Expo sponsors are being charged with manslaughter. No negligence charge against the Father. Who’s at fault here, would you let your 8 year old son shoot a full Auto handgun? Most adults can’t control a Full Automatic handgun! This is a tragedy, and shooter lacked proper training. Who’s responsible for a minor, and or his/her personal safety/gun safety? Wonder if they posted “Enter at Your Own Risk”?
Being a minor and not being responsible for his actions, why shouldn’t it fall to the parents/guardian? I think the shooter should be responsible, but being a minor, what do you think?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BOY_UZI_DEATH?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US
Sam 🙁
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http://www.edfleury.org
give til’ it hurts HO
he’s one of your guys, certainly not one of mine 😉
Fat fuck has cheeks like a Chipmunk
I really wish I would have saved his business website before he took it down. Had pix of toddlers with machineguns, real crazy shit
I dont love anybody .and dont put words in my mouth and Im going to tell you straight out this fat fuck would have never made it through the training I had .
he’s some small dick wannabe cowboy , from hicksville where nothing ever happens , and trys like hell to make a big impression on a small town where everyone is pretty kool .then he looks like king asshole to hicks like you which he is
Its obvious you have no respect for officers , I just find your demeanor disgusting.
I dont worship cops , I was one , and I can tell you first hand just how goddam hair raiseing it can get .
when you put your life on the line to do a job , even though everything in your head is telling to you to get the fuck out of there , and you cross your fingers and say your prayers and still go and and do it . Id say theyd earned a little respect .
what your not aware of , is how many times officers have every right to use lethal force and still choose not to kill, you dont see that . and it happens all time . officers risking thier own deaths rather than useing lethal force. Nobody shows you that on the internet .
You probably ran into some punk ass cops , I understand , but when you label them all as piglets ,which is what you did, Well, you just dont know what your talking about .
I would have never defended a criminal cop , But you dont always see the big picture either .
some of these guys have been friends since childhood they are thier neighbors thier kids go to school together , one may even have saved anothers life .
So of course it would be hard for them not to turn thier head just like you might for a friend , .(not saying it right)
Sometimes they are put in tough moral dilema ‘s
again Im not defending those who have done wrong , just trying to explain what a tough job it is sometimes
There are huge grey areas in the law and it s the officers job to interpret what has happend and take action or not possibly in a few seconds .
sometimes thier right sometimes theyre wrong , and man when thier wrong , the whole world knows it , and your job and legal action are on the line . Its not easy , not by a long shot .
I also belive that less laws are better for everyone , I dont like this fucking police state were moveing towards either
btw Hold Over since you seem to love this retard so much here’s a link to his defense fund website…makes for a good read on how the tard defends his reckless bullshit…
http://www.edfleury.org
give til’ it hurts HO
he’s one of your guys, certainly not one of mine 😉
Fat fuck has cheeks like a Chipmunk
I really wish I would have saved his business website before he took it down. Had pix of toddlers with machineguns, real crazy shit
never said they were all bad HO, never even stated most were bad…
what I have said is that there are a small number of bad ones and the really awful part of it is that most of the good ones cover for the small number of true pricks in their midst.
in most of the really outrageous cases where an officer is held criminally accountable there always seems to have been several others that just stood idly by and watched the crime take place if not out right participated in the act but are never charged.
you find my demeanor disgusting? guess what?…I find Cop Worship socially suicidal in a free Nation
You are wrong HO, its not alot of bad cops
truth is in Germany of the 1930s and 40s there were not a whole lot of bad Germans either
that said there were millions of Germans that turned their heads or stuck their heads in the sand when all the evil started.
As for myself I have really zero respect for office or title
for me its all about the individual and how they interact with their fellow citizens
I no more trust all members of government to have my best interests at heart than I think every black citizen is out to rape and sodomize white girls after being fueled by a liberal dose of Crack Cocaine
your mileage obviously varies on these points and that’s ok too
btw heres a nice shot of your hero Doughnut devouring Piglet responsible for this tragedy Former Pelham Chief of Police Edward B. Fleury
typical fat fuck with a badge and a bad attitude 😆 😆 😆
I hope this retard rots…
I agree all parties are responsible ,negligence across the board.
But I have say riverside your demeanor toward LEO’s is revolting .
They must have really whipped your ass good . Ill be the first one to admit there are a lot of bad cops . But for a profession where where they put thier lives on the line every day ,your demeanor is just disgusting.
btw guys, nobody was lending guns out, this was all rentals
with ammo the father paid something like 70.00
further the Range Officer was standing next to the child
what happened was the RO instructed the kid to hip shoot the Micro and the child lost control ending up with a 9mm slug behind the chin
micro’s are no joke, shitty controllability even when you are an adult
to hand one to a youngster IS an act of manslaughter if the child dies
remember most of the assholes involved were LEOs
says alot for LE competency in the rational decision making process
Totally agree Lama. Dad is ultimately responsible but Dad could have been an ignorant, clueless dumbass who knew little to nothing about guns or what they can do. Probably had seen them forever on TV and Movies and thought it would be cool to let his sons have a shot.
If I let someone shoot one of my guns I feel that I am responsible to make sure that they do it safely and will walk away with a good experience. Guys who hand a high powered firearm to someone they know have little to no experience shooting them and then poke their buddy in the ribs and say “watch this” deserve to have that shooter accidentally shoot the gun owner, several times.
IMO, the guy renting the gun is just as much at fault if not more for letting this happen.
Edit: Agree Riverside
I guess I know a bit more about this sad bit of ancient history than the rest of you cats…
1st off theres a great deal more to the story than you come away with at first glance
understand the main promoter was a local Chief of Police who has a number of other previous piglet infractions against the public
2nd, said Chief of Piglets made much ado about his staffs level of “training” and general firearms expertise
any assclown who titles himself a Range Safety Officer & knowingly gives a child just out of toddlerhood a fucking post sample Micro UZI machinepistol to fire needs to go to the Big House, even more so when the child dies.
The people who attend these idiotic Expos are not all firearms folks guys
in this case the parents had no real firearms background and were relying on the knowledge of the Range staff
who were only in it for money
Further nearly every mg there were POST SAMPLES
there are only 3 reasons for posties sportsfans
a…demos for authorized end users such as the goverment or military
b…sales to the above
c…R&D
and thats it
the licensee involved should be charged as well for violations of the NFA
btw this isnt the 1st a kid died at one of these events
back a number of years ago a young girl was crushed under her fathers GE M134 minigun set up at kcr that mounted 3 .308 miniguns set for simultainious discharge. That assclown didnt sandbag the mount good enough and the damn thing tipped over backwards crushing his young daughte4r who was firing the rig at the time
pretty sure this is the rig that did her in
Dad and guy who owned the gun are fully at fault imo.
I agree, it is the dad’s fault. It is tragic, but he was the one responsible for him.
Although, I definitely question the people who gave the kid the gun. I mean, it’s not like dad found it on the ground and handed it to the kid. He had to talk to someone who let the kid shoot it. It is ultimately dad’s fault, but if I was the one in charge of giving out guns, there is no way I’d let the kid shoot it.
So it’s the dad’s fault, but whoever was lending out guns definitely needs to sharpen up.
The father ultimately bears the responsibility for his minor son’s actions and activities. He, and he alone, bears the legal burden in this incident.
Further, he’ll pay for this for the rest of his life, whether he goes to jail or not. Most likely his marriage will suffer as well.
To charge the event coordinators with a crime can easily be done. Anger is obviously playing a part in this. However, the law makes it clear that it must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that those charged were a direct contributor in the death in mention. Further, it must be shown that they failed to exercise a common law duty to provide for the safety of the participants, such as controlled environment, safe weapon handling, experts on site to supervise the shoot, and more than a little responsibility rests on exactly to whom they initially handed the loaded weapon. Once the father assumed physical control of the firearm, he became the primary party liable for actions, both legal and civil, that resulted.
Thus, the ultimate responsibility fell to the parent to ensure his son had full control of a deadly weapon, up to and including holding the weapon with him, as any sane father would have done.
Granted the event coordinators will bear a civil liability for a wrongful death, failing to timely intervene when they saw what was about to happen, but that’s not a criminal charge. When cooler heads gain control, this will sort itself out.
Hoot 😯
That’s too bad that the kid had to pay for dads stupidity…..
Poor little sod 😥
Condor,
I think your spot on about that.
Problem D.A.s are usually trying to become Jack McCoy’s from the TV show Law and Order all too often.
Roachcreek
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This guy was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of line if he allowed this shit to happen , no agency in the country is going to defend a man who allows a 9 year old to play with a machine gun .
I dont defend this asshole at all . I agree pretty much with you and everyone else .
I just think your a jackoff when you use terms like you did , then try and backtrack and say well just the bad ones not the good ones .
If you meant that you shoud of said that . and I would have agreed with you.