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Taipan Mutant vs. Edgun Matador R3

According to Wikipedia, the inland taipan is considered to be the most venomous land snake related to the cobra family. Taipans move fast and possess highly neurotoxic venom and other toxic substances, which paralyze victim’s nervous system and clot the blood. Taipans are considered some of the most deadly known snakes. One drop of the inland taipan’s venom can kill up to 100 men (bioweb.uwlax.edu). The inland taipan is shy and rarely attacks. The taipan mutant can even be more deadly based on what you have seen in the mutant turtles created by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird.

Dman/Jaime and Ernest have posted very positive reviews on the Taipan Mutant – the mighty beast created in the Ukraine. The high air efficiency is intriguing to me, but it remains many mysteries concerning this particular strain of Taipan. Dman finally sent me his beloved Mutant to play with. Thanks Dman!

Here are my thoughts on the Mutant, and I intended to compare it with my “aged” Edgun Matador R3. I have to say it in the front that this is just my personal opinion on the comparison.

Machining: The machining of the Mutant is outstanding, very smooth, polished very well, no sharp edges and corners, and slightly glossy in the metal, outstanding finishing I would say. It looks and feels better than my R3s.

Stock: The quality of the stock is okay (i.e., serve the purpose). The Mutant stock is also well machined and shoulders comfortably for me. My R3 stock looks and feels better than the Mutant in appearance.

Hand Grip: The Mutant grip is very ergonomic and just the right size for my hands. It is very comfortable and no sharp edges. I like it much better than the R3.

Cocking: The lever cocking is butter smooth, effortless and flawless, period. The bolt cocking in my R3 is also very smooth after polishing and lubing the chamber.

Cocking Lever: The lever is ambidextrous. You can swap mutant lever to left or to right, a thoughtful design. R3?

Magazine Indexing: The magazine is very easy to install. It cycles very well but you will need to count the shot to know the last shot or you will need to put a marker/label on the magazine wall to tell where you are at. I had some dry fires without knowing the last shot. I have no experience with the Edgun magazine and its cycling, so no comparison on this.

Single-Shot Tray: The tray is easy to drop in, and very smooth. I don’t know if the single-shot tray is available for the R3M from the factory.

Scope Rail: The rail is very well made. My Burris Signature Z rings fit into it very well. The R3 rail has an angle to accommodate long-range shooting. But I don’t know if the Mutant has the same. I put on my SS scope and sighted it in at 30 yards without any problem.

Trigger: This is one of the best parts of the Mutant. Dman has turned the trigger really well, light, smooth, and crispy break. It is very consistent. This is much better than the R3s I have (both.22 and .25). The Mutant trigger is fully adjustable. Unlike R3, the first and second stage adjustments are independent in the Mutant. The tension for each stage is also adjustable. Did I say it is super smooth? The smoothness of the trigger makes you feel good and enjoyable during shooting. There is a tiny hole beside the trigger adjustment screws. I don’t know what that is for, but I think you can apply a needle drop of glue to that hole to prevent the movement of the screw to ensure the consistency of the trigger. Although I don’t use it, the Mutant trigger has a simple and effective safety. Overall, the Mutant is much superior than the R3 in trigger category.

Speed Consistency: I have shot more than 5 strings at different days and times. Dman adjusted his gun to shoot 880-890 fps, I consistently got 887-890 fps in mean velocity (from 6 string) with 2.0 to 2.7 fps SD and 7 to 13 fps in max spread. The shot-to-shot variation is within 2.0 to 3.0 fps, with majority of them at 2.0 – 2.2 fps. Based on my record, the Mutant is slightly better than my R3 in SD, max spread, and shot-to-shot variation.

Air Efficiency: Dman had 10.4 cc-bar/FPE in his string (see topic on “Meet the Taipan Mutant… update”). I believe he turned down the reg pressure a little bit (?). He tethered the gun with a large tank and closed the tank valve to use the large tank gauge for accuracy purpose. I read off the pressure change directly from the small gauge in the gun, and the calculated air efficiency is between 11.2 to 12.1 cc-bar/FPE (average 11.6 from 6 strings). In general, it is about 1.87 to 2 bar/shot (JSB 18 grain with 885-890 fps). The speed drops at ~118 bars. From 220 bar to 118 bar (or 115 bar in some strings), you will get ~55 shots with consistent velocity. My R3 has air efficiency ~12.2 cc-bar/FPE, which is close to the Mutant, but I have to said the Mutant edges out my R3. On the other hand, the R3 has larger air reservoir, and I can get 68 to 72 shots with 200-bar fill. Concerning the shot count, R3 wins. I don’t know if the Mutant air usage can be further “improved” by changing reg setting, hammer weight/spring, or valve spring…

Sound Report: The loudness is similar to that of R3, the Mutant may be slightly louder because of its high-pitch sound signature. This is very subjective…but the wife also says Mutant is louder.

Shroud: OD is 30.5 mm, shroud has some baffle inserts. The end-cap is a screw-in type, so it gives the possibility of installing an add-on LDC to further reduce the report. It is difficult to install LDC to the R3 without making a new shroud and adding adaptor for the LDC. In terms of the convenience of installing LDC, the Mutant wins.

HST Adjustment: Mutant has an external HST adjuster, very nicely made, easy to adjust and it is very responsive. There is a side screw to prevent the accidental turn of the adjuster. There is no HST preload on the spring so you can reduce the speed to zero if you want it to. In R3, you need to remove the stock to adjust HST, and the adjuster is difficult to turn and the thread of the adjuster is easily damaged by the little set screw (there is improved adjuster in newer version of the R3 and R3M). My R3 .25 came with damaged HST screw.

Air Filling: The fill hole can be closed by turning the cap, a very nice design, which R3 does not have. You can adjust the location of the fill hole in the Mutant. Dman didn’t send me the fill probe because it was not included in his original package. No problem at all because the probe is compatible with the Edgun probe. But the fill speed in the Mutant is kind of slow. I believe the fill speed is adjustable from the air-inlet screw in gauge assembly.

Pressure Gauge: Same as the Edgun air gauge (Kiwa).

Accuracy: This is the most important subject. A nicely made gun without accuracy is like a hamburger without meat. I am not a good shooter, I just wanted to find out what the Mutant is capable of in my hands. I normally shoot with bipods, but I specifically purchased the Caldwell front and rear bags to test Mutant accuracy. Although it is not thorough, at 30 yard one-pellet hole accuracy is achievable by the Mutant (see some groups in the picture). I tested it with different head size of JSB pellets from 5.46 mm to 5.51 mm (~18.1 grain). It appears that the Mutant likes 5.50-5.51 mm better (target #9 and #10). The groups seem to become larger for smaller head size (5.46-5.49 mm, targets #6, #7, and #8). At 50 yards, the Mutant is capable of producing 0.20” to 0.30” groups with 5.48 mm to 5.51 mm head, when I am in the good mood. The 0.3” to 0.4” group is very common (see some groups in picture). Those shootings were done under windy conditions and sometime with rain. The R3 LW barrel is specifically made to use JSB 18.1 pellets, but the spec of JSB pellet keeps changing and is inconsistent, head size from 5.46 mm to 5.53 mm (most recently was 5.47-5.48 mm), thin to thick skirt, different sizes and depths of head-base… which is very annoying and causes many fliers. My R3 only likes the “old-style” JSB (thin skirt, wider but shallower head-base, and 5.50 mm head size). My Edgun is the first generation R3, its barrel might be different from the newer models. Nevertheless, the Mutant is not that picky and much easier to shoot with compared to the R3. I like the Mutant better.

Conclusion: In some aspects, I feel that the Mutant is superior than my R3. Ernest said: “This thing put the Edgun and cricket in the back Seat‼” now I understand what he means. He also said, “1: All the negative things I know about the edgun and crickets you don’t see on the Mutant. 2: All the positive things I see on the Mutant I don’t see them on the edguns or crickets.” I don’t know about the Crickets since I don’t have one, but concerning the Edgun, R3 in my case, I agree with him.

Regards,
Endo

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Lately I got some JSB 18.1 from PA, which as thicker skirt and smaller head base that my Edgun doesn’t like. So I tested those pellets out in my standard Mutant since my Shorty has some issues with the barrel and she cannot perform under her optimal conditions. Those small head-base and thick-skirt pellets did “okay” in the standard mutant but just a bit disappointed because I feel she can do better than that. So I used some of my old tins with thinner skirt and larger head base (my Edgun loves them) and they indeed performed better as what I commonly seen using these pellets – a single-pellet size hole at 30 yds. So, the CZ-s200 barrel does like think-skirt large-head base pellets with wider range of head size (5.49-5.52 mm). This is better than my Edgun. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to get thin skirt and large head base pellets anymore.

I have plenty of 009s on hand (70s). Nice on the maintenance. Yea – I have been shooting the hell out of it since I got it.

I know endo has shot the shit out of his 2 mutants…. What you will find is the more you shoot it , well you see that the other guns you own will collect dust.

The mutant seems to be Pretty dam reliable . I haven’t seen a stem issue yet. Most issues i think are caused by Fuxers. The stems are 3 mm … and solid delrin.

My regulator in my shorty is up around 150 bar.. I turned down the shaft on the V stem where the Tport is to 2 mm….

I haven’t had no issues.

I think the only thing one might want is Breech Orings… ( 5.28 x 1.78) They Cross over to an American oring that can be found anywhere orings are sold – 009

I did have a few that seemed to let out a puff. I think it may of been some dry Orings..

I don’t know what the Vendors have in stock for parts. But this outfit is not like others that don’t want to send parts.

Darryl, you have an Edgun. In my opinion, Mutant is much easier to operate and change the barrel than that of Edgun.

Bud, if you can add a 5 mm spacer, than you can remove the shroud adapter easily with an option of putting the LDC you like. Add 5 mm extra length to your already “extra length” is nothing, but it becomes more diverse and functional. Just a thought.

Coda, RL might have spare parts…I don’t know. Or Dman can get spare parts for us…(like reg, springs, valve stem…) just a thought. The mutant o-rings are much easier to get from here than those for edgun and cricket.

Is there anything we should keep on hand for these like the Edguns and Crickets? Namely valve stems and oring sets? Are the stems something the vendors here keep in stock?

quote SECoda:

There are Manuals? 😯 Maybe I did get one with the bag of stuff. I yanked the probe out of there and never touched it again. 😆

I don’t know why he (the manufacture) hasn’t put the manuals in the boxes…. I helped Him americanize it about a year ago…..

Ill have to ask him about it next time we speak.

I got the mag, probe, single shot tray, orings, pins, and the single shot block I think in the bag of stuff.

So, I loosen the barrel band and approx 5 mm of the mod are tightened in the band. But, the barrel is long. I’ll call my Mutant the, “Semi-Shorty”.

Bud

Oh, I thought I’d ask. :winkn:
Darryl

There are Manuals? 😯 Maybe I did get one with the bag of stuff. I yanked the probe out of there and never touched it again. 😆

Endo thanks for the link. I saved it to my Mutant Folder for future reference.The information in the link explains a lot to me and I find it useful, so thanks again for that plus your own input. I’ll want to do a true shot count on my gun before I consider my next step. I’ve asked what others get for a shot count, but I haven’t run a decent shot count myself. I’ll set up my target outside and see now many shots I get before I get a shift in POI. If I can kiss 36 shots I’ll be somewhat happy. But I like to tinker a bit with these things, so maybe a reg tester is in the card.

Anyone have a link to a manual for the Short?

Darryl

:whistle:

Bud, it seems that it is not long enough to freely unscrew the shroud adaptor and not short enough to call “shorty”. But heck, it shoots well with a good barrel; not many people are lucky enough to have a good barrel like yours. You don’t have to deal with the slanted TP, misaligned dimple, rough inlead and chambering…I will be happy if the gun shoots well.

Darryl, take a look this thread…http://www.talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=34791
You can find the first-stage lever, with linkage rod connected, in the picture, and it should be leveled in the trigger box and moving freely when you pull the trigger.

The reg tester is the most useful toy I have ever seen for airgun. It makes the tuning much easier and you know/adjust the exactly pressure you want with this tool. You can use it for various guns (cricket, edgun, P12, mutant…and more if you have correct spacers). I got a “Special Edition” from Dman Guru. :smilen:

I’d have to agree with Endo about getting a reg tester from Dman. Awsome build quality. I’ve changed my reg settings several times experimenting with the mutant and it’s been invaluable.

quote budlee:

Endo,

I’ll need to loosen the barrel band. I cannot unscrew the mod, I believe part of the mod is tightened in the barrel band. But looking at my gap, there couldn’t be much in the band. The stock mod is really quiet, but it would be nice to try out others and would add to the length. Will let you guys know shortly.

Bud

Looking at your picture I’m betting the LDC adapter is inside the bands a good .250 or better.

The barrel is obviously machined to non standard length .

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