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Taipan Mutant vs. Edgun Matador R3

According to Wikipedia, the inland taipan is considered to be the most venomous land snake related to the cobra family. Taipans move fast and possess highly neurotoxic venom and other toxic substances, which paralyze victim’s nervous system and clot the blood. Taipans are considered some of the most deadly known snakes. One drop of the inland taipan’s venom can kill up to 100 men (bioweb.uwlax.edu). The inland taipan is shy and rarely attacks. The taipan mutant can even be more deadly based on what you have seen in the mutant turtles created by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird.

Dman/Jaime and Ernest have posted very positive reviews on the Taipan Mutant – the mighty beast created in the Ukraine. The high air efficiency is intriguing to me, but it remains many mysteries concerning this particular strain of Taipan. Dman finally sent me his beloved Mutant to play with. Thanks Dman!

Here are my thoughts on the Mutant, and I intended to compare it with my “aged” Edgun Matador R3. I have to say it in the front that this is just my personal opinion on the comparison.

Machining: The machining of the Mutant is outstanding, very smooth, polished very well, no sharp edges and corners, and slightly glossy in the metal, outstanding finishing I would say. It looks and feels better than my R3s.

Stock: The quality of the stock is okay (i.e., serve the purpose). The Mutant stock is also well machined and shoulders comfortably for me. My R3 stock looks and feels better than the Mutant in appearance.

Hand Grip: The Mutant grip is very ergonomic and just the right size for my hands. It is very comfortable and no sharp edges. I like it much better than the R3.

Cocking: The lever cocking is butter smooth, effortless and flawless, period. The bolt cocking in my R3 is also very smooth after polishing and lubing the chamber.

Cocking Lever: The lever is ambidextrous. You can swap mutant lever to left or to right, a thoughtful design. R3?

Magazine Indexing: The magazine is very easy to install. It cycles very well but you will need to count the shot to know the last shot or you will need to put a marker/label on the magazine wall to tell where you are at. I had some dry fires without knowing the last shot. I have no experience with the Edgun magazine and its cycling, so no comparison on this.

Single-Shot Tray: The tray is easy to drop in, and very smooth. I don’t know if the single-shot tray is available for the R3M from the factory.

Scope Rail: The rail is very well made. My Burris Signature Z rings fit into it very well. The R3 rail has an angle to accommodate long-range shooting. But I don’t know if the Mutant has the same. I put on my SS scope and sighted it in at 30 yards without any problem.

Trigger: This is one of the best parts of the Mutant. Dman has turned the trigger really well, light, smooth, and crispy break. It is very consistent. This is much better than the R3s I have (both.22 and .25). The Mutant trigger is fully adjustable. Unlike R3, the first and second stage adjustments are independent in the Mutant. The tension for each stage is also adjustable. Did I say it is super smooth? The smoothness of the trigger makes you feel good and enjoyable during shooting. There is a tiny hole beside the trigger adjustment screws. I don’t know what that is for, but I think you can apply a needle drop of glue to that hole to prevent the movement of the screw to ensure the consistency of the trigger. Although I don’t use it, the Mutant trigger has a simple and effective safety. Overall, the Mutant is much superior than the R3 in trigger category.

Speed Consistency: I have shot more than 5 strings at different days and times. Dman adjusted his gun to shoot 880-890 fps, I consistently got 887-890 fps in mean velocity (from 6 string) with 2.0 to 2.7 fps SD and 7 to 13 fps in max spread. The shot-to-shot variation is within 2.0 to 3.0 fps, with majority of them at 2.0 – 2.2 fps. Based on my record, the Mutant is slightly better than my R3 in SD, max spread, and shot-to-shot variation.

Air Efficiency: Dman had 10.4 cc-bar/FPE in his string (see topic on “Meet the Taipan Mutant… update”). I believe he turned down the reg pressure a little bit (?). He tethered the gun with a large tank and closed the tank valve to use the large tank gauge for accuracy purpose. I read off the pressure change directly from the small gauge in the gun, and the calculated air efficiency is between 11.2 to 12.1 cc-bar/FPE (average 11.6 from 6 strings). In general, it is about 1.87 to 2 bar/shot (JSB 18 grain with 885-890 fps). The speed drops at ~118 bars. From 220 bar to 118 bar (or 115 bar in some strings), you will get ~55 shots with consistent velocity. My R3 has air efficiency ~12.2 cc-bar/FPE, which is close to the Mutant, but I have to said the Mutant edges out my R3. On the other hand, the R3 has larger air reservoir, and I can get 68 to 72 shots with 200-bar fill. Concerning the shot count, R3 wins. I don’t know if the Mutant air usage can be further “improved” by changing reg setting, hammer weight/spring, or valve spring…

Sound Report: The loudness is similar to that of R3, the Mutant may be slightly louder because of its high-pitch sound signature. This is very subjective…but the wife also says Mutant is louder.

Shroud: OD is 30.5 mm, shroud has some baffle inserts. The end-cap is a screw-in type, so it gives the possibility of installing an add-on LDC to further reduce the report. It is difficult to install LDC to the R3 without making a new shroud and adding adaptor for the LDC. In terms of the convenience of installing LDC, the Mutant wins.

HST Adjustment: Mutant has an external HST adjuster, very nicely made, easy to adjust and it is very responsive. There is a side screw to prevent the accidental turn of the adjuster. There is no HST preload on the spring so you can reduce the speed to zero if you want it to. In R3, you need to remove the stock to adjust HST, and the adjuster is difficult to turn and the thread of the adjuster is easily damaged by the little set screw (there is improved adjuster in newer version of the R3 and R3M). My R3 .25 came with damaged HST screw.

Air Filling: The fill hole can be closed by turning the cap, a very nice design, which R3 does not have. You can adjust the location of the fill hole in the Mutant. Dman didn’t send me the fill probe because it was not included in his original package. No problem at all because the probe is compatible with the Edgun probe. But the fill speed in the Mutant is kind of slow. I believe the fill speed is adjustable from the air-inlet screw in gauge assembly.

Pressure Gauge: Same as the Edgun air gauge (Kiwa).

Accuracy: This is the most important subject. A nicely made gun without accuracy is like a hamburger without meat. I am not a good shooter, I just wanted to find out what the Mutant is capable of in my hands. I normally shoot with bipods, but I specifically purchased the Caldwell front and rear bags to test Mutant accuracy. Although it is not thorough, at 30 yard one-pellet hole accuracy is achievable by the Mutant (see some groups in the picture). I tested it with different head size of JSB pellets from 5.46 mm to 5.51 mm (~18.1 grain). It appears that the Mutant likes 5.50-5.51 mm better (target #9 and #10). The groups seem to become larger for smaller head size (5.46-5.49 mm, targets #6, #7, and #8). At 50 yards, the Mutant is capable of producing 0.20” to 0.30” groups with 5.48 mm to 5.51 mm head, when I am in the good mood. The 0.3” to 0.4” group is very common (see some groups in picture). Those shootings were done under windy conditions and sometime with rain. The R3 LW barrel is specifically made to use JSB 18.1 pellets, but the spec of JSB pellet keeps changing and is inconsistent, head size from 5.46 mm to 5.53 mm (most recently was 5.47-5.48 mm), thin to thick skirt, different sizes and depths of head-base… which is very annoying and causes many fliers. My R3 only likes the “old-style” JSB (thin skirt, wider but shallower head-base, and 5.50 mm head size). My Edgun is the first generation R3, its barrel might be different from the newer models. Nevertheless, the Mutant is not that picky and much easier to shoot with compared to the R3. I like the Mutant better.

Conclusion: In some aspects, I feel that the Mutant is superior than my R3. Ernest said: “This thing put the Edgun and cricket in the back Seat‼” now I understand what he means. He also said, “1: All the negative things I know about the edgun and crickets you don’t see on the Mutant. 2: All the positive things I see on the Mutant I don’t see them on the edguns or crickets.” I don’t know about the Crickets since I don’t have one, but concerning the Edgun, R3 in my case, I agree with him.

Regards,
Endo

30-yard target:

50-yard target:

Taipan Air Rifles

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Well, at least being on vacation is a reasonable excuse for being incommunicado.The last time Petr responded to a text from me was April 13. I’ve since sent several more messages, and got no reply. I asked things of importance to me about my Short and it’s state of return. I believe I’m now my own with this gun as far as any warranty repair with Petr is concerned. I’ve said this new gun is a shooter, but Petr didn’t send me what we agreed on. That’s not good-faith business. I was the first to place an order for his Short sale. He contacted me. Now I’m just the first among the worst. So, Tsakula, I feel your aggravation. I hope he comes through for you to your satisfaction. He used to be such an enthusiast for our hobby sport. We’ve had some very good conversations. Perhaps along the way something happened with him that’s personal and, we have no reason to know about. Too bad for him if so. Also too bad for us who did business with him. Maybe he’ll reply to us when he gets back. I hope he’s refreshed at that time, to our mutual benefit.
Darryl

NO, of course…not lately. He said he will be on vacation and busy….

NO! !!!

I looked at my Cricket probe and the mutant probe, The mutant probe is longer, But the cricket probe may work.
anyone try it?????
Mike

Tsakula,
PM me your address I send you my edgun probe.
Regards,
Endo

quote tsakula:

he did not send mags and fill probe

Let me see what i can do for u … This is straight bullshit,

Cool. I wondered if Talon had some extra probes?

Tsakula, I don’t think Cricket and Mutant can share the probe. I have an extra Edgun probe and it def fits to Mutant’s hole. I have been using the Edgun probe for Mutant since the first day of receiving her.
Let me know, I can send it to you.

I can feel your pain…

Regards,
Endo

I knew the new TGAG absolving themselves the previous owners Mutant sales warranty was a problem. Looks like new TGAG delisted the Mutants. I don’t understand how the good will of buying the web site works in this case. Maybe for the unknowing.

Do you at least have a single shot tray? If not, I have a spare you can have. Maybe you can contact Joe Brancato for an assist?
Darryl
PS don’t feel alone. Petr has/had the worst customer service. He leaves people hanging for information. I also,have several unanswered messages to him.

Cricket has a smaller diameter. Edgun looks closer but I didn’t measure it.

Darryl, let us know what you have decided on the scope…I am thinking of changing my scope too, but I want it to have 20x because of my old eyes, and I like to shoot the eyes out from a fly.

Dman, the barrel is on its way to your hands today for a Midas touch.

There are many possible ways causing blow-back: deformed/defected o-rings (two of them), roughness of wall by machining, short length and small diameter cut for the receiver, dimple location from the wall (it will pull the barrel out if it is too short), including misaligned and size of TP. Dman has all the specs to diagnose the problem. Thanks again Dman. Your help and kindness are much appreciated.

Regards,
Endo

Darryl…

Let’s not beat around the bush here.

Between me and endo we both know the issue.

The TPORT is in the wrong spot. It will happen every time.

The tport needs to be moved coser to the seal.

What happens is the tport over hangs the tport in the breach…. so it’s like a funnel and it directs it right at the oring. Which it blows in your face.

The center of the TPORT should be .1395 from the end of the barrel.

Look at the pictures endo has posted.

That is the problem. It’s not the orings or anything else. So let’s not get confused. … it’s simple.

They fucked up when machining the barrels .. plain and simple.

Since endo can’t get no warranty help from him Im going to fix it for him.

I have Hawke Sidewinders 8-32×56 SR Pros on all of my other BPs (set on 32x) which are considered heavy pigs so I am probably not a good judge. I always shoot off of a rest of one kind or another and just don’t notice it any longer. I have that freebie Aeon 10-40×56 with the a pretty good reticle on top of the Short Mutant and set at 32x and it weighs about the same. It is clear enough and did pretty well in low light last night.

I always use a scope level and have the Vortex ones on most of the PCPs. I use some foam and a Velcro strap around the bottom of the stock to hold the guns and they are pretty solid in the deadshot rest I use for pests most of the time. Other wise they move/lean as you operate any action – even the smooth Mutant’s and I don’t want that.

For carrying around hunting (or if your max limit is 25 yards) that might require a different scope or at least cut the mag way down. After 45 years of shooting using scopes I can sight a sparrow at 32x pretty quickly on a rest. I don’t see how some can shoot sparrows at even 75 yards with anything much under 20x. I think it makes it less fun. 😆 I guess it is from watching the impact of ballistic tip and Blitz bullets on thousands of prairie dogs over the years. Zonk can tell yah. I have 36x Leupold scopes for PDogs. My basement range is 22 yards.

SeCoda, I’m still struggling with finding a “suitable” scope for my Short. I’m trying to avoid making the gun feel top heavy. I have my SWFA 16x scope on the gun now. That scope weighs 18.2 ounces. The balance feels good, but that scope belongs on the Eddy, and is not really what I had in mind. I feel 16x is too much for the short ranges I shoot.
That aside, I still like the look of that walnut stock. I hope you get hooked up with one and enjoy it. 🙂
Darryl

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