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Taipan Mutant vs. Edgun Matador R3

According to Wikipedia, the inland taipan is considered to be the most venomous land snake related to the cobra family. Taipans move fast and possess highly neurotoxic venom and other toxic substances, which paralyze victim’s nervous system and clot the blood. Taipans are considered some of the most deadly known snakes. One drop of the inland taipan’s venom can kill up to 100 men (bioweb.uwlax.edu). The inland taipan is shy and rarely attacks. The taipan mutant can even be more deadly based on what you have seen in the mutant turtles created by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird.

Dman/Jaime and Ernest have posted very positive reviews on the Taipan Mutant – the mighty beast created in the Ukraine. The high air efficiency is intriguing to me, but it remains many mysteries concerning this particular strain of Taipan. Dman finally sent me his beloved Mutant to play with. Thanks Dman!

Here are my thoughts on the Mutant, and I intended to compare it with my “aged” Edgun Matador R3. I have to say it in the front that this is just my personal opinion on the comparison.

Machining: The machining of the Mutant is outstanding, very smooth, polished very well, no sharp edges and corners, and slightly glossy in the metal, outstanding finishing I would say. It looks and feels better than my R3s.

Stock: The quality of the stock is okay (i.e., serve the purpose). The Mutant stock is also well machined and shoulders comfortably for me. My R3 stock looks and feels better than the Mutant in appearance.

Hand Grip: The Mutant grip is very ergonomic and just the right size for my hands. It is very comfortable and no sharp edges. I like it much better than the R3.

Cocking: The lever cocking is butter smooth, effortless and flawless, period. The bolt cocking in my R3 is also very smooth after polishing and lubing the chamber.

Cocking Lever: The lever is ambidextrous. You can swap mutant lever to left or to right, a thoughtful design. R3?

Magazine Indexing: The magazine is very easy to install. It cycles very well but you will need to count the shot to know the last shot or you will need to put a marker/label on the magazine wall to tell where you are at. I had some dry fires without knowing the last shot. I have no experience with the Edgun magazine and its cycling, so no comparison on this.

Single-Shot Tray: The tray is easy to drop in, and very smooth. I don’t know if the single-shot tray is available for the R3M from the factory.

Scope Rail: The rail is very well made. My Burris Signature Z rings fit into it very well. The R3 rail has an angle to accommodate long-range shooting. But I don’t know if the Mutant has the same. I put on my SS scope and sighted it in at 30 yards without any problem.

Trigger: This is one of the best parts of the Mutant. Dman has turned the trigger really well, light, smooth, and crispy break. It is very consistent. This is much better than the R3s I have (both.22 and .25). The Mutant trigger is fully adjustable. Unlike R3, the first and second stage adjustments are independent in the Mutant. The tension for each stage is also adjustable. Did I say it is super smooth? The smoothness of the trigger makes you feel good and enjoyable during shooting. There is a tiny hole beside the trigger adjustment screws. I don’t know what that is for, but I think you can apply a needle drop of glue to that hole to prevent the movement of the screw to ensure the consistency of the trigger. Although I don’t use it, the Mutant trigger has a simple and effective safety. Overall, the Mutant is much superior than the R3 in trigger category.

Speed Consistency: I have shot more than 5 strings at different days and times. Dman adjusted his gun to shoot 880-890 fps, I consistently got 887-890 fps in mean velocity (from 6 string) with 2.0 to 2.7 fps SD and 7 to 13 fps in max spread. The shot-to-shot variation is within 2.0 to 3.0 fps, with majority of them at 2.0 – 2.2 fps. Based on my record, the Mutant is slightly better than my R3 in SD, max spread, and shot-to-shot variation.

Air Efficiency: Dman had 10.4 cc-bar/FPE in his string (see topic on “Meet the Taipan Mutant… update”). I believe he turned down the reg pressure a little bit (?). He tethered the gun with a large tank and closed the tank valve to use the large tank gauge for accuracy purpose. I read off the pressure change directly from the small gauge in the gun, and the calculated air efficiency is between 11.2 to 12.1 cc-bar/FPE (average 11.6 from 6 strings). In general, it is about 1.87 to 2 bar/shot (JSB 18 grain with 885-890 fps). The speed drops at ~118 bars. From 220 bar to 118 bar (or 115 bar in some strings), you will get ~55 shots with consistent velocity. My R3 has air efficiency ~12.2 cc-bar/FPE, which is close to the Mutant, but I have to said the Mutant edges out my R3. On the other hand, the R3 has larger air reservoir, and I can get 68 to 72 shots with 200-bar fill. Concerning the shot count, R3 wins. I don’t know if the Mutant air usage can be further “improved” by changing reg setting, hammer weight/spring, or valve spring…

Sound Report: The loudness is similar to that of R3, the Mutant may be slightly louder because of its high-pitch sound signature. This is very subjective…but the wife also says Mutant is louder.

Shroud: OD is 30.5 mm, shroud has some baffle inserts. The end-cap is a screw-in type, so it gives the possibility of installing an add-on LDC to further reduce the report. It is difficult to install LDC to the R3 without making a new shroud and adding adaptor for the LDC. In terms of the convenience of installing LDC, the Mutant wins.

HST Adjustment: Mutant has an external HST adjuster, very nicely made, easy to adjust and it is very responsive. There is a side screw to prevent the accidental turn of the adjuster. There is no HST preload on the spring so you can reduce the speed to zero if you want it to. In R3, you need to remove the stock to adjust HST, and the adjuster is difficult to turn and the thread of the adjuster is easily damaged by the little set screw (there is improved adjuster in newer version of the R3 and R3M). My R3 .25 came with damaged HST screw.

Air Filling: The fill hole can be closed by turning the cap, a very nice design, which R3 does not have. You can adjust the location of the fill hole in the Mutant. Dman didn’t send me the fill probe because it was not included in his original package. No problem at all because the probe is compatible with the Edgun probe. But the fill speed in the Mutant is kind of slow. I believe the fill speed is adjustable from the air-inlet screw in gauge assembly.

Pressure Gauge: Same as the Edgun air gauge (Kiwa).

Accuracy: This is the most important subject. A nicely made gun without accuracy is like a hamburger without meat. I am not a good shooter, I just wanted to find out what the Mutant is capable of in my hands. I normally shoot with bipods, but I specifically purchased the Caldwell front and rear bags to test Mutant accuracy. Although it is not thorough, at 30 yard one-pellet hole accuracy is achievable by the Mutant (see some groups in the picture). I tested it with different head size of JSB pellets from 5.46 mm to 5.51 mm (~18.1 grain). It appears that the Mutant likes 5.50-5.51 mm better (target #9 and #10). The groups seem to become larger for smaller head size (5.46-5.49 mm, targets #6, #7, and #8). At 50 yards, the Mutant is capable of producing 0.20” to 0.30” groups with 5.48 mm to 5.51 mm head, when I am in the good mood. The 0.3” to 0.4” group is very common (see some groups in picture). Those shootings were done under windy conditions and sometime with rain. The R3 LW barrel is specifically made to use JSB 18.1 pellets, but the spec of JSB pellet keeps changing and is inconsistent, head size from 5.46 mm to 5.53 mm (most recently was 5.47-5.48 mm), thin to thick skirt, different sizes and depths of head-base… which is very annoying and causes many fliers. My R3 only likes the “old-style” JSB (thin skirt, wider but shallower head-base, and 5.50 mm head size). My Edgun is the first generation R3, its barrel might be different from the newer models. Nevertheless, the Mutant is not that picky and much easier to shoot with compared to the R3. I like the Mutant better.

Conclusion: In some aspects, I feel that the Mutant is superior than my R3. Ernest said: “This thing put the Edgun and cricket in the back Seat‼” now I understand what he means. He also said, “1: All the negative things I know about the edgun and crickets you don’t see on the Mutant. 2: All the positive things I see on the Mutant I don’t see them on the edguns or crickets.” I don’t know about the Crickets since I don’t have one, but concerning the Edgun, R3 in my case, I agree with him.

Regards,
Endo

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They stocks sre so tiny in general but i put a high mag scope on so i need a little low ballast. Lol

Coda, very nice stock. It looks heavy, may be just an illusion of “solid”.

Darry, thanks for the detailed info. Yes, I have looked/did all that. The blow-back happens, more or less, in the shooting session. I put my CZ-s200 barrel from my standard Mutant to the shorty, and it seals perfectly, suggesting the barrel (TP?) problem. This is what I can say right now.

Endo,
I don’t know what to make of Petr. Bipolar? No matter. A leopard can’t change it’s spots. Also, he is what he does.

As for your blow by, did you receive a seal kit with your gun, and did it come with a brass breech ring? If you have the brass part, it should have a black o-ring fitted in it. This brass ring is a snug fit in the action, but it comes out. The one in mine accidentally displaced when I was pulling the barrel to check the alignment of the grub dimple to the barrel’s transfer inlet. I happened to look inside the action and there it was, cocked crooked. I gently realigned it, and tried to push it back in place, but wound up inserting the barrel into the action and giving the shroud end a smart whack with the palm of my hand,covering the shroud with a shop towel. Worked like a charm. No blowby. I still have the spare. Also, I wonder if your barrel is seated all the way back. Perhaps if you loosen the grub screw that retains the barrel (someone commented it’s not really needed), then loosen up the bolts on the rail, top and bottom, whack the barrel as I did, then re-tighten the bolts, but not the grub screw, maybe that will work? The Colibri I got from Petr had a stinging blowby at the breech, but he fixed it. This was before the fix for the cocking issue was found, and I got a refund from him. Best handling gun I owned, but problematic at the time.

SeCoda, that’s a sweet stock in that picture.
Darryl

It will look a lot like Foxback’s I hope. The only major difference was attempting to upgrade the walnut a grade and some minor preference tweaks but very little difference. I am sure no two will be exactly alike. After now owning the Mutant I think it is worth the fancy stock. The Black one is actually attractive I think. We shall see.

Darryl, I am glad that you like your barrel and it is accurate at the range you shoot. Mine couldn’t get it sealed so the puff of air bothers me during shooting, which secondarily affects my focus and, of course, the accuracy. Petr finally returned one of my many emails today (May 1st) saying he is planning to have a vacation very soon, so he couldn’t get into my barrel until end of the month. I remembered he told me a month ago that he WILL send a CZ hammer-forged barrel to me. Based on what he told you on the button-rifling of “CZ made barrel”, then mine should be CZUB barrel….but I doubt it; of course, not every one of CZUB is accurate. I have asked him many times what kind of barrel he sent to me, no answer.

One thing I have to mention, Rearsprocket indicated earlier that the rifling mark will depend on the head size (the post somehow was deleted). He is correct. The pellets I used were 5.50 mm 18.1s, which are the best food for my matadors and mutants, although mutants are less picky. They were compared under the same head size, but from different tins. He is also correct that the rod should be tapered and smaller than the base without expanding the skirt . My rod is slightly larger than the base (JSB keeps changing the styles, the pellets I used 2 days ago were happened to be slightly smaller base). I will redo it again next time. Thanks.

Coda, do you have the prototype picture of your stock? I am really curious about it…

😀

I knew from years ago the cold hammer forged barrels used to be the crappy ones but I wanted it documented instead of just saying it. :rofl:

I am really enjoying that Shorty Mutant and it isn’t just a new girlfriend thing. 😆 😆 😆

I caught up with Michal in Poland and I should see some pictures of the new walnut stock soon for the Shorty Mutant.

quote SECoda:

Cool on the button rifling. I think most barrels are probably still button rifled. The final barrel results really depends on the skills of the barrel makers for any of the three main methods.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/21/explained-the-three-types-of-custom-rifle-barrels/

SeCoda, about the quality of barrels, the end result, I’ve read the same thing as you. It depends on the skill of the people making the barrels. I guess mine was made on a Tuesday (Wednesday? Thursday?)? 🙂 I’d read that same article.
Darryl

Yep. CHF used to be to just to produce mass numbers of barrels i.e. military spec. It has come a long way since the early years. Cool on the button rifling. I think most barrels are probably still button rifled. The final barrel results really depends on the skills of the barrel makers for any of the three main methods.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/21/explained-the-three-types-of-custom-rifle-barrels/

Guys,
Petr told me the CZ barrels (not the CZub hammer-forged ones) are made like the Lothar Walther barrels; ie button-rifling, which is similar to cut rifling. I’ve read that both produce an accurate barrel, and I’ve read things that agree with what SeCoda says about hammer-forged barrels of days gone by; but that’s changed now. We only have to look at the performance of the CZub barrels in the S200\CZ200 guns and the Kalibrguns to know how well the hammer forged barrels have improved.
My gun came back from Petr. I believe it has a replacement button-rifling Czech Republic barrel (no dimple midway down the length now) in it, and it’s not cut to the OEM length. I’ve asked for info on the barrel, but I have no reply yet. It would be nice to know, along with a few other answers to questions I posed to Petr, but I’ll say the gun is very accurate at 25 yards, and now it’s best for me I leave a sleeping dog lay.
Endo, I hope your gun shoots to your satisfaction.
Darryl
PS I put my R3M up for sale here and on the Yellow.

Yeah, I just wanted to see if there is any differences in rifling mark of the pellet between CZ-s200 (my standard Mutant) and the unknown barrel from Petr (maybe CZ Made). The picture on CZ-s200 was taken almost a year ago. So, I pushed 3 pellets through her yesterday to see if there is any differences. To my surprise, the rifling marks become shallower and smaller, but the cuts look cleaner and smoother. I did shoot a lot with Mutant Standard…I mean a lot. My matadors are just playing the supporting role now.

Yes I do. 😉 Between two hour lunch-time V-Strom rides, shooting, and flying quadcopters I find it difficult to work some days.

I always told my kids growing up – the harder I worked the luckier I got. lol 15 years from home now – 24 years in total service this company. Now if they lay me off with a year of service it would be a cherry on top.

It looks like you may be comparing a cold hammer forged CZ barrel and maybe a cut barrel made in CZ. Just a guess. They have more lines, etc. When I shot competitive bench rest 25 years ago we would have never have considered a hammer forged barrel for match accuracy. Times have changed. The lines are not necessarily a bad thing accuracy wise.

Coda, you work form home and can play with the baby mutant all day long, with short/long distance targets (live or dead) on the menu….what a lucky guy!

I pushed pellets through Petr’s unknown barrel (CZ Made?) and compared them with the one from my CZ-s200 (right in the picture) barrel that I collected about a year ago from my standard mutant. It looks similar in pattern, but the rifle cuts on the pellets from Petr’s barrel (left and middle one) were not as smooth/clean as that from CZ-s200 barrel. There are many rough cuts in both head and skirt from Petr’s barrel if look at it carefully under magnifier.

Had my coffee this morning with the Mutant on the covered deck off of my master bedroom that has the two bench rests. My starling bait was effective and the Mutant successful. 😆

Still waiting for a response from Michal on the walnut stock. The current black stock is nicer than I expected.

I have been nailing sparrows all day long with 18.1s. I have over 9,000 0f them so they are good to go. I have gotten two now off of the dead tree at 75 yards. There is another dead tree at 105 yards. 😯 I have not tried it……. yet… 😛 I have to shoot from the bench rests for 75 or 100 yards. The Deadshot just isn’t stable enough for tiny targets at those ranges.

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