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Taipan Mutant vs. Edgun Matador R3

According to Wikipedia, the inland taipan is considered to be the most venomous land snake related to the cobra family. Taipans move fast and possess highly neurotoxic venom and other toxic substances, which paralyze victim’s nervous system and clot the blood. Taipans are considered some of the most deadly known snakes. One drop of the inland taipan’s venom can kill up to 100 men (bioweb.uwlax.edu). The inland taipan is shy and rarely attacks. The taipan mutant can even be more deadly based on what you have seen in the mutant turtles created by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird.

Dman/Jaime and Ernest have posted very positive reviews on the Taipan Mutant – the mighty beast created in the Ukraine. The high air efficiency is intriguing to me, but it remains many mysteries concerning this particular strain of Taipan. Dman finally sent me his beloved Mutant to play with. Thanks Dman!

Here are my thoughts on the Mutant, and I intended to compare it with my “aged” Edgun Matador R3. I have to say it in the front that this is just my personal opinion on the comparison.

Machining: The machining of the Mutant is outstanding, very smooth, polished very well, no sharp edges and corners, and slightly glossy in the metal, outstanding finishing I would say. It looks and feels better than my R3s.

Stock: The quality of the stock is okay (i.e., serve the purpose). The Mutant stock is also well machined and shoulders comfortably for me. My R3 stock looks and feels better than the Mutant in appearance.

Hand Grip: The Mutant grip is very ergonomic and just the right size for my hands. It is very comfortable and no sharp edges. I like it much better than the R3.

Cocking: The lever cocking is butter smooth, effortless and flawless, period. The bolt cocking in my R3 is also very smooth after polishing and lubing the chamber.

Cocking Lever: The lever is ambidextrous. You can swap mutant lever to left or to right, a thoughtful design. R3?

Magazine Indexing: The magazine is very easy to install. It cycles very well but you will need to count the shot to know the last shot or you will need to put a marker/label on the magazine wall to tell where you are at. I had some dry fires without knowing the last shot. I have no experience with the Edgun magazine and its cycling, so no comparison on this.

Single-Shot Tray: The tray is easy to drop in, and very smooth. I don’t know if the single-shot tray is available for the R3M from the factory.

Scope Rail: The rail is very well made. My Burris Signature Z rings fit into it very well. The R3 rail has an angle to accommodate long-range shooting. But I don’t know if the Mutant has the same. I put on my SS scope and sighted it in at 30 yards without any problem.

Trigger: This is one of the best parts of the Mutant. Dman has turned the trigger really well, light, smooth, and crispy break. It is very consistent. This is much better than the R3s I have (both.22 and .25). The Mutant trigger is fully adjustable. Unlike R3, the first and second stage adjustments are independent in the Mutant. The tension for each stage is also adjustable. Did I say it is super smooth? The smoothness of the trigger makes you feel good and enjoyable during shooting. There is a tiny hole beside the trigger adjustment screws. I don’t know what that is for, but I think you can apply a needle drop of glue to that hole to prevent the movement of the screw to ensure the consistency of the trigger. Although I don’t use it, the Mutant trigger has a simple and effective safety. Overall, the Mutant is much superior than the R3 in trigger category.

Speed Consistency: I have shot more than 5 strings at different days and times. Dman adjusted his gun to shoot 880-890 fps, I consistently got 887-890 fps in mean velocity (from 6 string) with 2.0 to 2.7 fps SD and 7 to 13 fps in max spread. The shot-to-shot variation is within 2.0 to 3.0 fps, with majority of them at 2.0 – 2.2 fps. Based on my record, the Mutant is slightly better than my R3 in SD, max spread, and shot-to-shot variation.

Air Efficiency: Dman had 10.4 cc-bar/FPE in his string (see topic on “Meet the Taipan Mutant… update”). I believe he turned down the reg pressure a little bit (?). He tethered the gun with a large tank and closed the tank valve to use the large tank gauge for accuracy purpose. I read off the pressure change directly from the small gauge in the gun, and the calculated air efficiency is between 11.2 to 12.1 cc-bar/FPE (average 11.6 from 6 strings). In general, it is about 1.87 to 2 bar/shot (JSB 18 grain with 885-890 fps). The speed drops at ~118 bars. From 220 bar to 118 bar (or 115 bar in some strings), you will get ~55 shots with consistent velocity. My R3 has air efficiency ~12.2 cc-bar/FPE, which is close to the Mutant, but I have to said the Mutant edges out my R3. On the other hand, the R3 has larger air reservoir, and I can get 68 to 72 shots with 200-bar fill. Concerning the shot count, R3 wins. I don’t know if the Mutant air usage can be further “improved” by changing reg setting, hammer weight/spring, or valve spring…

Sound Report: The loudness is similar to that of R3, the Mutant may be slightly louder because of its high-pitch sound signature. This is very subjective…but the wife also says Mutant is louder.

Shroud: OD is 30.5 mm, shroud has some baffle inserts. The end-cap is a screw-in type, so it gives the possibility of installing an add-on LDC to further reduce the report. It is difficult to install LDC to the R3 without making a new shroud and adding adaptor for the LDC. In terms of the convenience of installing LDC, the Mutant wins.

HST Adjustment: Mutant has an external HST adjuster, very nicely made, easy to adjust and it is very responsive. There is a side screw to prevent the accidental turn of the adjuster. There is no HST preload on the spring so you can reduce the speed to zero if you want it to. In R3, you need to remove the stock to adjust HST, and the adjuster is difficult to turn and the thread of the adjuster is easily damaged by the little set screw (there is improved adjuster in newer version of the R3 and R3M). My R3 .25 came with damaged HST screw.

Air Filling: The fill hole can be closed by turning the cap, a very nice design, which R3 does not have. You can adjust the location of the fill hole in the Mutant. Dman didn’t send me the fill probe because it was not included in his original package. No problem at all because the probe is compatible with the Edgun probe. But the fill speed in the Mutant is kind of slow. I believe the fill speed is adjustable from the air-inlet screw in gauge assembly.

Pressure Gauge: Same as the Edgun air gauge (Kiwa).

Accuracy: This is the most important subject. A nicely made gun without accuracy is like a hamburger without meat. I am not a good shooter, I just wanted to find out what the Mutant is capable of in my hands. I normally shoot with bipods, but I specifically purchased the Caldwell front and rear bags to test Mutant accuracy. Although it is not thorough, at 30 yard one-pellet hole accuracy is achievable by the Mutant (see some groups in the picture). I tested it with different head size of JSB pellets from 5.46 mm to 5.51 mm (~18.1 grain). It appears that the Mutant likes 5.50-5.51 mm better (target #9 and #10). The groups seem to become larger for smaller head size (5.46-5.49 mm, targets #6, #7, and #8). At 50 yards, the Mutant is capable of producing 0.20” to 0.30” groups with 5.48 mm to 5.51 mm head, when I am in the good mood. The 0.3” to 0.4” group is very common (see some groups in picture). Those shootings were done under windy conditions and sometime with rain. The R3 LW barrel is specifically made to use JSB 18.1 pellets, but the spec of JSB pellet keeps changing and is inconsistent, head size from 5.46 mm to 5.53 mm (most recently was 5.47-5.48 mm), thin to thick skirt, different sizes and depths of head-base… which is very annoying and causes many fliers. My R3 only likes the “old-style” JSB (thin skirt, wider but shallower head-base, and 5.50 mm head size). My Edgun is the first generation R3, its barrel might be different from the newer models. Nevertheless, the Mutant is not that picky and much easier to shoot with compared to the R3. I like the Mutant better.

Conclusion: In some aspects, I feel that the Mutant is superior than my R3. Ernest said: “This thing put the Edgun and cricket in the back Seat‼” now I understand what he means. He also said, “1: All the negative things I know about the edgun and crickets you don’t see on the Mutant. 2: All the positive things I see on the Mutant I don’t see them on the edguns or crickets.” I don’t know about the Crickets since I don’t have one, but concerning the Edgun, R3 in my case, I agree with him.

Regards,
Endo

30-yard target:

50-yard target:

Taipan Air Rifles

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Endo, thank you for verifying what I’ve been observing in my shot strings. Yours is a more complete analysis, but the conclusion is the same, if not for the same reasoning. Yes, lots of variations, not the least of which may be the inconsistency of head diameters. But weight seems to trump that to a large degree.
Endo you must live in airgun heaven, man! :biggrinn: Very cool testing, and I admire your science brain.
Darryl

:hoot:

Damn!

It seems every time I get ready to release similar test results from my Toad Suck Ballastics Lab…someone beats me to the punch.

Oh well….

Hoot:

Darryl was asking the effect of pellet weight on air efficiency a few weeks ago. I have finally gotten a time last week to test the strings shooting with JSB 18.1 (Jumbo Heavy) vs. JSB 13.4 (RS) from my Mutant Shorty. They were done under the same conditions: same regulator output pressure, same HST setting, and same ambient temperature (73F). Here are the results. JSB 18 grainer had average velocity 795±3.7 fps and the air consumption was 11.8 cc/FPE. The RS had average velocity 889.6±3.3 fps with 12.8 cc/FPE air consumption. Based on the numbers, the Jumbo Heavy shows better air efficiency per foot-pound energy. The pressure drop from 221 bars to 131 bars for 40 shots were the same for both pellets (they overlap with each other – same slope). The reason of better air efficiency observed in 18 grainers is that they exerted more energy than RS (25.4 FPE vs. 23.6 FPE) using the same amount of air. There were some abrupt (8-10 fps) changes in velocity in 18-grain string, showing a higher SD compared with that of RS. Both strings had a slight creeping/elevation of speed at the end of the string, especially for RS. Although the RS has a flatter trajectory, I will pick either 18 or 16 grainers than RS for better air usage unless RS has a better accuracy, which I didn’t see. In general, it shows 18 grainers have better air efficiency but larger speed variations. I don’t think that the weight difference explains all these observations. The pellet shape and hardness might also play a role. Comparing with many previous strings in my record book, these two stings are the worst, in terms of the SD and shot-to-shot variation. This remind me it’s time to tune/lube Shorty because I haven’t done so for a long time (> 6 months) with more than 15 tins of pellets being consumed by her.

So, Darryl, you are correct in the sense that heavier pellets have better air efficiency, without considering other factors. 😉

Regards.
Endo

Hello Endo,
I feel better knowing I’m part of an exclusive club; The Clan of the Mystery Barrel. :smilen: Yes, Peter did a good thing with the barrel. I don’t know how he mustered the grit to do it while knowing what was coming. That says something, but I won’t speculate here what that might be.
PM pending,
thank you,
Darryl

Darryl,

I think the barrel with slanted TP was the work from Petr. Not many Mutant short have slanted TP in their barrel. I believe kabukicrack has the same barrel beside you and me. In my barrel, Petr didn’t align the dimple at the correct location and the location of TP is slightly off. Dman drilled out the TP to the correct location and the size of TP became slightly larger. He also fixed the dimple misplacement. Petr’s barrel always shoots hotter than other barrels (Germany, Listone, and factory CZ replacement barrel). I was initially upset about the slanted TP, but it turns out to be beneficial to the power and air efficiency. I have to give him credit on this mod. It isn’t all that bad, is it?

I understand and feel your frustration with not only Petr but also the place/friend to shoot with. The shorty is such a great gun to shoot. I can help you to tune your shorty to shoot 15 FPE or below and she will be quiet and backyard friendly, and when you have a chance to shoot longer distance, you just need to crank up HST to shoot her full potential. What do you think?

Regards,
Endo

ps. I should have time to finish the analysis later today after traveling. My initial impression might support what you believe. 😉

Hello Endo,
Yes, the barrel in my gun has the slanted port. Also, the grub dimple lines up with the port too. I used a magnifying lens to get a close look at the crown, and it looks just fine; a nice even look with clean definition at the lands.

Thank you for the link to the thread with the groups from your mystery barrel. Before polishing too. Sub-MOA at 50 yards gives me a chubby. I think I judge every airgun by that measure ever since I had a Daystate Huntsman in .177 that could do that. Long gone now.

As for my selling the Short, believe me; I’m very torn. I feel I fought for this gun to be as it is now. Dealing with Peter was stressful because I was not sure what I’d ultimately have at the end. Imagine my relief that the Short was made “whole”. Under Peter’s circumstances the gun is a minor miracle in my eyes. Getting there reminded me of the debacle I had with him over the Colibri; documented in threads here, iirc. I miss that gun a lot. Too bad for me Ernest didn’t find a cure until after I demanded and got a refund from Peter. Lot’s of shipping back and forth between me, Peter and Ernest. Now look at the Bird; cherished. Anyway, that gun would be in the same boat as the Short at this time; guns with more shooting potential than I can take advantage of. Guys are reaching out to good shooting distances with both. My situation does not allow that in a manner that suits me.
Gun ranges are at least 21 miles away, and closer to 50 for a couple. I’m not a club member either. Waiting list length of time seems forever. There is a public range 38 miles away. So I’m left with shooting in my yard, and I’m surrounded on three sides by homes. My front yard is, of course out of the question. For as safe as I can be, if something happens you can never be safe enough. I’ve gone from shooting regularly with friends to “not”. Things happen in peoples’ lives that make them unavailable, and so went my access to clubs and large properties.
I sold off a lot of my guns along the way because I could only shoot so many at a time. Not that I had a bunch of them, but some good ones. No more buy and sell. just sell. You know, it’s funny in an ironic way that neighbors asked me to whack squirrels (gardens and such) but I could not because of concern for safe shooting.

So, that’s my story. I don’t yet know how to make the best of the gun for my persistent shooting situation. I have four PCPs left to my name; Parker-Hale Phoenix(.22), The Short, Crosman 1701P in a carbine stock(.177), and the Airmax pistol in .22. At this point what I see is stagnant capital. Might as well convert some of it to $$. I’m still looking for options for airgun enjoyment, but the usual suspects have gone dry. It’s frustrating, to say the least.
Darryl
PS, I still believe a heavier pellet makes better use of air than a lighter one. 🙂

Darryl,

Yeah, we missed you.

The one reserved for you is gone, no problems.

I am surprised to hear that you are planning to sell the shorty…may I ask why?

A short answer to your question…Petr’s barrel is VERY accurate after polishing it. Initially, it was shooting so-so, same as the stock CZ replacement barrel. But now it shoots much better than the stock CZ barrel, period.

Although these are not the best ones from this barrel and I am not a good shooter either, take a look these targets at 30 and 50 yards (http://www.talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=32414&start=340) that might give you some idea what this barrel is capable of. Is there a slanted TP in your barrel like mine?

I guess you might not be interested in the the air consumption between 18.1 and 13.4 grains in the shorty since you are going to sell it… this breaks my heart….but saves my time for doing the analysis.

Regards,
Endo

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Thanks Darryl. It does not sharp at all.

Since you are the first one to appreciate my “work”. I will make one for you.
If you are interested in…email me your address.

Regards,
Endo

Hello Endo. I see I’ve been away from the forum a bit too long. Thank you very much for your offer, but may I graciously decline? My reason is I’m still teetering on selling the Short, and so want to sell it “as nearly new”.
I do have a question for you about Peter’s mystery barrel (he won’t be around for a while, last I heard). You mentioned the accuracy with the barrel. I think you’ve since replaced it. Can you tell me how it compares to your replacement barrel regarding it’s accuracy? You may recall that I have not been able to stretch my gun out so I want to at least be able to say the barrel has shown accuracy at “X” yards in other samples of the Short.
thank you,
Darryl

Thanks Rowdy. To some point, I do feel frustrated with the weakness of the R3 valve. Hmm…color might make a difference…interesting.

I got some time to do the test on the comparison of air efficiency between JSB 18 grain and 13.4 grain. Just need time to do the analysis…hopefully I will have a chance to post the result later today.

Regards,
Endo

Man, I know that hurts your feelings, would mine… Tell you the truth here, I am not much on the white material either…

I know its just a color, been told that by countless material sales company’s, but they have yet to prove it to me.

If there is going to be a failure, I always see the white “CPS” in trouble if its used. I make my own at that point and use way different stuff all together, when I do.

Very sorry you have this sort of stuff going on with the Edgun…

I don’t remember when was the last time to touch my Edgun R3s. I have a long-term memory disorder…so it must be a long time ago.

Anyway, I decided to bring them out for a fresh air…and this was what happened after 3 shots in R3 .22. I heard a hissing sound from the breech area, then the tube pressure gradually dropped to zero. Opened it up and sad enough…this is what I saw (see picture).
I had it replaced twice already, and they broke at the same place – I was lucky enough that the hammer didn’t damage the brass nut.

The Edgun was built like a Russian Tank, but not the valve. It keeps failing on me, including R3 .25. The long Delrin rod is vulnerable at the lip of the valve (Picture). The metal rod is not inserted long enough to protect the Delrin rod from hammer shock. In contrast, the Mutant valve from Ukraine is beefy and much shorter (Picture). I expect the Mutant valve will last longer…

Regards,
Endo

Hoot,
Great.
That was fast.
Regards,
Endo

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Thanks Darryl. It does not sharp at all.

Since you are the first one to appreciate my “work”. I will make one for you.
If you are interested in…email me your address.

Regards,
Endo

:hoot:

Said and done…my friend!!! Arrived today, and works to perfection. So simple it makes me wish I was smart!!!

Regards,

Kindly ‘Ol Uncle Hoot:

Yeah, I like it too except the price… :suprisedn:
Endo

I really like the Vortex Lo Pro level

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