The new Talon P
I received an e mail from AirForce today stating that the pistol will be shipping in limited quantitys by August 31 and the MSRP is $421.00. You can call in your order at 1877 247 4867 if you like.
Benson.
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Hoot-amungus
It’s called “the tease” buddy. 😆
Don’t want to show my whole hand in one post. 😉
Sys…it wouldn’t hurt to give a bit of an update on where, whom, and how much, plus what is available, on the Surefire slugs.
He doesn’t push them too hard and I’m sure that’s because of demand for his product.
Ho0t
I’m not sure why the strap and why with the breech closed? But it sounds cool. 😉
Pull the tank and set the gap to 0.100″ all you need is 1000fps to get 95fpe! Not sure you’ll have the best accuracy though at that speed.
But if you move up the the Surefire slugs you’d be in the 800’s and get mondo fpe from that!! I believe they start at 63 grains and at 900 fps that is 112 fpe… Should be possible with some tophat adjustment and the heavy hammer you already have.
You know about the Surefire slugs right? 😉
I would be using the 43.2 gr Eunjun on the high end, with a 95 gram Tony hammer, stock main spring and power wheel at 12/0 (hunting oriented). Top Hat is .079.
I’ll have to build a mini strap wrench to adjust the tophat with the breech closed.
What is your pellet weight?
I have found an approximate 20-30ish fps per 0.005″ of tophat gap increase… 😕 😕 😕
I would set it at 0.100″ and check then increase to 0.110″, assuming it’s about 0.080″ which is about what the typical Condor is set from the factory. (Talon is usually 0.110″) I wouldn’t go past 0.120″ if you have a heavier spring and hammer weight.
Exactly!!! 😉
Crank that sucker up! 😆 😈
Repeatability is a key word here. 😉
It would appear that the same valve can differ in it’s performance from one to another due to manufacturing differences, friction, springs. So using the same numbers between valves is not the best way to set things up.
Kind of like tuning two of the same engines or suspensions to their max ability. Unless by some fluke of nature they perform exactly the same each one will have it’s eccentricities and slight differences. So while the same settings may get you close, each unit will need to be tuned differently to get the most from it.
The more extreme the undertaking (minimum velocity deviation for example) the more you will have to tweak each one in it’s own way to get it to perform to it’s best ability or just like the other.
Every barrel is different, every valve is different, etc, etc. It’s not like they make sure each spring is the same down to 1/100th of a gram of force.
NASA goes there, AF doesn’t… 😆 Although i’d be really interested to see just to what ends one would need to go to make two very close valves.
This was very insightful. I just might be able to get 95 FPE out of my 90 FPE Condor for free.
0.140″ for a Condor valve 😉
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Not really.
Why a random 1/4 turn? That is just as random as setting it the way AF does…
Set the tophat until the pellet velocity is the same (or whatever you want it to be for accuracy) and the shot count is at it’s max.
Otherwise your either wasting air or being random with your setting.
The power wheel can then be used when the tank pressure goes down or to compensate for a lighter or heavier pellet.
The best consistencies have been gained with leaving the PW set and never moving it after the most efficient tophat setting has been found for one type of pellet.
A few people have found some amazingly small standard deviations in velocity and huge shot counts with tophat tuning.
Once the breech wears I would get another to replace it. Or just move it back so it contacts the tophat every time. Leaving a gap will cause erratic velocities and mess with your accuracy.
Agreed. There is a maximum – do not exceed – setting. Do you know what that is ? I suppose collapsing a valve , with the top hat screwed way out, with no air in the the tank could determine that (or if someone has one laying on the bench they could try).
The setting of the tophat effects the duration of the air released.
The smaller the gap the the less air is released, the larger the gap the more air is released… But it’s also more complicated than that since too much gap will bottom out the valve stem on the spring eventually…
So really it is quite simple. Adjust the TopHat with the breech closed until the valve leaks then back off a quarter turn. That way maximum valve opening dwell takes place, upon the hammer striking the breech. NOTE: As the little plastic piece around the stock Bolt stem wears, one would have to have a larger tophat setting to compensate.
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Because that is not what is happening…
Dude, you need to figure out what your rifle can do by adjusting stuff…
And read some of the tophat tuning posts here.
Actually the valve spring seat sets the valve spring preload…
You have no idea of what i’m talking about or it would all make sense. How do I know? I’ve done it and recorded it all on paper.
You? I just see post after post of questions from you. Why ask if you going to be a smartass when you get an answer? 😉
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Some of my numbers conflict as you might see,.
But the temperature went from 40 degreeze to 75 degreeze FH in the test and some was sunny and some was cloudy.
But the end test was accuracy with a pellet I’ve not had much luck with ,, the Kodiak 31 grain red top, pellet. This gun loves them. 😀
Alsoith a 12 inch barrel, why try to crank it on up? I could put my 22 barrel on this small tank and I’d have to put it on zero on the wheel, and the 22 diablo exacts would still breake the Hyper speed ,,I learned that from the high flow in the RL extreme valve,,, So alls well that ends well. All ship shape here… 😀