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WARNING: Do You Own A FrankEdstein EdGun?

To the airgun community:

I believe this is a necessary post here because of the poor business ethics that Dr. FrankEdstein poses on the airgun community. Your investment is at risk here. Notice I said ‘IS’ at risk because it certainly is.

Here’s my take on the situation. I believe and with good cause that Ed is after only one thing and that is your money. He doesn’t stand behind his product but most of the ass-kissers on here think that he does. How quickly we forget about the fiasco we had regarding the damaged guns being delivered and no resolution in sight for that issue. It took this forum to post a ‘sticky’ and many months before the resolution was in place. In my books, that is not customer service.

Here is the thread you all seem to have forgotten:
http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=24031

Moving right along here, there are many of us who own FrankEdsteins! What is a FranEdstein? It is a cobbled together Edgun using left over parts from other models with new parts to create the illusion of a new model. Were we ever notified of this incarnation? No, none of us were but Ed sold them to us while he moved out old inventory which he could no longer sell. This is fact gentlemen. They were having difficulty selling singe shot Edguns because the multi-shot was being released and they wanted the same money for the single shot as they did for the multi shot. Greed!

So what is a FrankEdstein?

There was an over abundance of R3’s in stock which are single shot guns. What they did was take the gun assembly and remove the single shot capability and then added a new multi-shot upgrade to the single shot gun and put this into a new R3M wood stock. The single shot gun assembly is shown in photo #1 below without the cut-out for the magazines.

The new genuine multi-shot R3M is shown in photo #2 which clearly shows the cut-outs for the magazines.

Now, ask yourself this question: if you want a multi-shot, which model do you want? Obviously model #2 because it has the space for the magazines and was manufactured for this purpose. Would you want a multi-shot with the single shot frame and no place to put the magazines? Of course not, especially since there is a model that has the cut-outs.

Well gentlemen, we all invested $2k in these FrankEdsteins and which model do you think will hold resale value and be more in demand? Certainly not the Model #1.

Were we told about this? Were we offered the opportunity to make a choice? Was there even a slight discount for the Model #1 because it was a FrankEdstein? The answers are No, No and No!

I’m sure some of the ass-kissers own FrankEdsteins and they’re probably thrilled and proud to be able to own the FrankEdstein.

To illustrate Dr. FrankEdstein’s contempt and arrogance to the airgun community we post some of his comments below for your reading pleasure:

Mr. Ed stated, that he has“the right to change everything in the gun without noticing the clients”! And then he adds more BS as long as “the changes are pointed to improve the gun”!

He really means as long as the changes are pointed to improve Ed’s financial wealth.

Mr. Ed is a disgrace not to mention highly unethical and dishonest. Let me explain…

Mr. Ed does have the right to change the gun and he does have the right to run his business his way but he does not have the right to take advantage of his clients nor does he have the right to be sneaky as he is. Honest, respectful and ethical businessmen would notify the client that a new model is also available and offer the client the choice. Offering the client, the choice is not in Mr. Ed’s best interest because he needed to move out single shot assemblies! And, he see’s nothing wrong with clients being frustrated; read on and you’ll see my point.

He then has the audacity to state, “can you imagine how the last buyers of single shot Matadors were frustrated when they saw in a couple of weeks that someone got multi shot Matador for the same price”.

And, he sees nothing wrong with that and has the audacity to publish it.

He doesn’t care as long as whatever you do puts money in his pocket and as long as it is best for Ed.

Friends: once you fork over the hard cold cash, you are on your own. To this, Dr. FranEdstein counters with I will refund you if the gun is in ‘new condition’. No one has a new gun 10 minutes after they open the box. In my case, I put a rail on the stock for a bipod and Dr. FrankEdsteing knows that we all do this. Dr. FrankEdstein knows this and as such his ‘refund’ is hollow. He did offer a refund for the gun assembly minus the stock which is unacceptable because I have no use for the stock. He sold me a FrankEdstein gun with cocking and indexing issues. It is a bastard gun. I own 4 Edgun’s. All previous models were fine so I expected this one to function properly as well. It did not and as such the manufacturer has the responsibility to refund in full as no other guns are available. If you get a good gun, great but I’m the living proof that if there is an issue, you are on your own.

FrankEdstein guns anyone?

WE’LL CALL THIS MODEL #1

WE’LL CALL THIS ONE MODEL #2

EdGun

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The problem you have Ed is that instead of holding off production until you have a final design for the R3M. You go ahead and start building the guns….than you have another idea and add that to the same gun but already sold some of the r3m’s….I would have had all my ideas made into 1 gun so that nobody gets a r3m with different parts….you don’t see the fact how someone who gets the same gun as his friend and 1 has a spot for the mags and the other has to hold his in their pocket?…..how is it fair?.

πŸ‘Ώ Edwar men collect money
Expire take him and them
Without providing them with the appropriate cover

quote Urgirlinmyjetta:

I guess from here on out if you EVER order an edgun you need to specify you want the NEWEST version with All the NEW UPGRADES…not a gun that has some parts that someone else’s doesn’t….

I’m sorry but if I bought the r3m and I didn’t have the slots to put my mags in if be pissed….I paid what the other guy got and didn’t get everything that gun got????……I wouldn’t be a happy camper.

You will never be able to get the newst thing, never! Or do you offer me to do it this way — make something better for the gun but keep producing the old one, just not to insult the older customers that they have the “old” version? To me sounds silly. You buy the gun which is available now, not which will be availalbe in a week or so. Take into consideration that here in Russia people will be ALWAYS get chance to get newer guns, just due to the logistic issue. Thus, someone in US wil buy the “old” one, when in Russia they will have the “new” one, should I stop making everything? I don’t see any problem!

I guess from here on out if you EVER order an edgun you need to specify you want the NEWEST version with All the NEW UPGRADES…not a gun that has some parts that someone else’s doesn’t….

I’m sorry but if I bought the r3m and I didn’t have the slots to put my mags in id be pissed….I paid what the other guy did and I didn’t get everything the other gun got???? And they both came out supposedly at the same time???……I wouldn’t be a happy camper.

πŸ™„ Do not want to direct any one of the words
To master, Edward

Here I speak on your master, Edward
Your master
Your master πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

quote Ed:

So pathetic text you wrote MG, I was almost crying while reading it πŸ™‚ It is always funny to see when one take a single fact, which is wrong and then made the whole theory based on that fact, theory which explaines everything, even the force of gravity πŸ™‚

The fact is — grooves for mags are not “new gun” those are just grooves and more then thousand R3M were sold to clients without any grooves all over the world and in Russia as well. It is quite easy to see for those who wants facts but not emotions, just go here:

http://edgun.ru/forum/index.php?showforum=124&prune_day=100&sort_by=Z-A&sort_key=last_post&topicfilter=all&page=1

This is a branch of EDgun Russian forum, where people are reporting about the new R3M guns they got. So, those who wants fact just can go there and by clicking on different topics, looking for the pictures and easily see that R3M were initially delivered without any grooves. By the way, no one in Russia, while seeing the advantages at new guns didn’t get panic about that fact. πŸ™‚ More over, even now some of the guns are assembled without any grooves, nobody cares about it. I am used to the fact that people are more interested in how the gun is working rather then how it looks. I may be wrong but I, personally, don’t care about the look of the car, scratches etc, I just use it.

“indexing issue” — if the pellet goes to the barrel without being damaged, the accuracy is OK, it means only one thing, indexing is OK isn’t it, whatevern “clever” guys think about how it should work.

Regarding the remark of a “perfect gun” — guys, I never ever told that I make a perfect guns, I just say that I am tryinng to make them as better as I can, if you consider them perfect — that is your opinion not my words thus should I be responsible for the “broken dreams”?

Regarding “the gun is not new after 10 minutes of use” that is correct, but I don’t care about how much you use it if it looks the same as you got it, I can consider it new and refund it. If you change something in it I cannot accept it.

So, MG, I like your FrankEdStain, thank you, you made my day, keep going on, will read you with pleasure.

Only the usual speech

Could be … Although as a debater you need to atleast get the others to understand your point. In my mind Snipergay has failed in that. Either that or the TAG has made me stupid.

Master Debater?

quote Sir Ville:

Master of Disaster : Mr. Snipergay . I wish i could understand what the hell heΒ΄s talking about.

Master of Disaster : Mr. Snipergay . I wish i could understand what the hell heΒ΄s talking about.

quote avenger71:

quote Dr.KrillE:

quote avenger71:

:4: Stop compliment to your master, Edward
There is a problem in
You confrontation
Edward greed

?
Who are you talking to? Who’s master? What compliment?
Confused translator using you are…
Best regards

πŸ‘Ώ

Not considered the master
Mr. hear from mistakes

You keep talking about a master, who I ask?

Dr. πŸ‘Ώ

So pathetic text you wrote MG, I was almost crying while reading it πŸ™‚ It is always funny to see when one take a single fact, which is wrong and then made the whole theory based on that fact, theory which explaines everything, even the force of gravity πŸ™‚

The fact is — grooves for mags are not “new gun” those are just grooves and more then thousand R3M were sold to clients without any grooves all over the world and in Russia as well. It is quite easy to see for those who wants facts but not emotions, just go here:

http://edgun.ru/forum/index.php?showforum=124&prune_day=100&sort_by=Z-A&sort_key=last_post&topicfilter=all&page=1

This is a branch of EDgun Russian forum, where people are reporting about the new R3M guns they got. So, those who wants fact just can go there and by clicking on different topics, looking for the pictures and easily see that R3M were initially delivered without any grooves. By the way, no one in Russia, while seeing the advantages at new guns didn’t get panic about that fact. πŸ™‚ More over, even now some of the guns are assembled without any grooves, nobody cares about it. I am used to the fact that people are more interested in how the gun is working rather then how it looks. I may be wrong but I, personally, don’t care about the look of the car, scratches etc, I just use it.

“indexing issue” — if the pellet goes to the barrel without being damaged, the accuracy is OK, it means only one thing, indexing is OK isn’t it, whatevern “clever” guys think about how it should work.

Regarding the remark of a “perfect gun” — guys, I never ever told that I make a perfect guns, I just say that I am tryinng to make them as better as I can, if you consider them perfect — that is your opinion not my words thus should I be responsible for the “broken dreams”?

Regarding “the gun is not new after 10 minutes of use” that is correct, but I don’t care about how much you use it if it looks the same as you got it, I can consider it new and refund it. If you change something in it I cannot accept it.

So, MG, I like your FrankEdStain, thank you, you made my day, keep going on, will read you with pleasure.

quote Dr.KrillE:

quote avenger71:

:4: Stop compliment to your master, Edward
There is a problem in
You confrontation
Edward greed

?
Who are you talking to? Who’s master? What compliment?
Confused translator using you are…
Best regards

πŸ‘Ώ

Not considered the master
Mr. hear from mistakes

quote avenger71:

:4: Stop compliment to your master, Edward
There is a problem in
You confrontation
Edward greed

?
Who are you talking to? Who’s master? What compliment?
Confused translator using you are…
Best regards

πŸ‘Ώ

:4: Stop compliment to your master, Edward
There is a problem in
You confrontation
Edward greed

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