New R3 .25…..damaged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I literally received my R3 .25 just 5 minutes ago from UPS, but there’s some very serious problems.
1. The case zipper is completely cut through on each side.
2. But, wait a minute. Holy cow!!!! The walnut stock is completely cracked. If I pull on it with the sightless effort, I’m sure that whole piece would fall off.
I can understand damage can occur during transport, but there’s no visible damage to the containing box. I can’t believe I waited 9 months and paid $2050.00 for this.
Tony – I sent you a mail. Please advise.
James
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I’m not buying the remove action from gun argument. Piss poor packing is the problem.
Does FX or Daystate ship their guns with some assembly required? Not my Monsoon that came in one properly packed piece without my needing to find screws and grommets and the right locktight.
Yes, separating the action from the stock CAN reduce the likelihood of damage, BUT folks who are very concerned about proper packaging are the ones shipping that way! Nobody separates the gun, wraps both bits in a sock, tosses in some peanuts and calls it good.
It does not take a huge amount of packaging to ensure a very high success rate in shipping. Anyone buy a scope lately? A few bits of impact absorbing “styrofoam” is all that’s required. I doubt the shipping materials for my Nightforce scope cost anymore than the useless peanuts and softcase…
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UPS sent someone over last Monday (14th), but he was not an inspector, just a regular pickup guy. Needless to say, I had reservations and decided to keep it to avoid any further damage.
Eventually, I decided to order a new stock from Tony (at my expense), and repair the broken one myself for the interim. Went to Menards and purchased LocTite Wood Glue with some Irwin Micro Bar clamps. I applied the glue with a small water painting brush and carefully locked it down with the bar clamps. Waited over night to let it dry, and the results were better than I expected.
I can barely see the crack and would guess most people without any prior knowledge wouldn’t even notice it was there in the first place. I’m very pleased with the repair and will most likely just keep it as-is and use the new stock (when it arrives in a few months) as a nice accessory for the next owner, in case I ever decide to sell it. Probably not…but you never know.
Here’s a picture of my R3 mounted in my den. BTW – the pistol to the left is a Hammerli 280 – without a doubt the most accurate handgun I’ve ever shot.
James
heavily bubble wrap both with the action in the peanuts and stock in the case.
Ding ding ding….We have a winner!
I have sold a lot of airguns over the years and have never had a stock broken because I always remove the action from the stock.
A gun should never be shipped in a soft gun case totally assembled. We have seen literally hundreds of guns broken over the years on the forums and the remedy is always the same….STOCK AND ACTIONS need to be wrapped separately
When you have a chunk of steel pushing up against a thin piece of wood and then dropped, kicked and smashed by paddles on a conveyor belt just expect the stock to arrive broken.
If there is any movement at all of the gun in the case…. the stock probably is going to break.
Its physics folks
Those guns are not being secured and shipped properly.
Remove action from stock and make sure there is ZERO movement of parts in the box.
samurai998
Please keep us updated as to getting your gun fixed…
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“Do mean like one of these Plano 36″ ballistic cases? Perfect for a EDgun.”
No, i actually mean a stylish alluminium case made by the old enlgand’s Napier of London! 😎
I think it is even more compact (or is it because i have a standard matador?)
I think the reason why this issue just surfaced now is because the stock butt pad is no longer made out of inch thick rubber (that acted as a buffer good enough not to break the wood on impact on drops) .
Now the wood stock attaches directly to metal buttpad and when rifle is dropped on its butt during shipping there is no buffer/absorbing action happening to prevent rifle action from transferring its full impact energy to the back of the stock and in the end result breaking it.
A very valid point ! 😉
And another thought
I think the reason why this issue just surfaced now is because the stock butt pad is no longer made out of inch thick rubber (that acted as a buffer good enough not to break the wood on impact on drops) .
Now the wood stock attaches directly to metal buttpad and when rifle is dropped on its butt during shipping there is no buffer/absorbing action happening to prevent rifle action from transferring its full impact energy to the back of the stock and in the end result breaking it.
After reading Mrnewbies posting – I fully concur with him and I’m confident that this is exactly what happened to my rifle. To reliterate –
There is a packaging problem.
There is no problem with the boxing of the gun, the box size and amount of packing peanuts is just fine. However, the gun case fills up the length of the box, so there is little to no peanuts on the ends.
The problem is, The gun slides back and forth inside the nylon case. Pick up your gun case right now and point it up, you can feel the gun moving inside the case. If the box is dropped on an end the whole weight of the gun acts like a hammer as is slides back and forth inside its nylon case building up momentum.
The simplest fix in the world, secure the gun in the middle of the case for shipping..DONE.
Some velcro, nylon twist ties, like on a kids Barbie doll box..ect…
Just secure the gun inside the case.
thrown mine away 2 secs after getting it and bought a decent proper (and protective) gun case.
Do mean like one of these Plano 36″ ballistic cases? Perfect for a EDgun.
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My R3 .22 Cal long had been arrived safely….. box was damage out side only…. but inside my new R3 .22 Cal long is safe……but I only get R3 .22 cal long …… what happen to my R3 .25 Cal long ……. 😳 😳 😳
Tony, where is my R3 .25 Cal long version, I had been pay for both but I just get one of them only (R3 .22 Cal long)
Ta
sorry to see your new gun in that bad shape, that must hurt.
hope you get a new stock soon.
i wouldn’t worry one bit of the gun case, they are just useless cheap bags, that can’t hold the gun with a scope mounted.
thrown mine away 2 secs after getting it and bought a decent proper (and protective) gun case.
Actually get rid of yours, as if you drop it again with your gun in it it will offer minimal protection.
get a hard case with foam, can’t be beaten.
cheers
here you go Ed something like this with you logo and name so people know if its the same box and if it has been opened im sure people would pay an extra $5.00 for you to use this kind of tape and no one else would have tape like this.
http://www.production-packaging.com/?gclid=CLex8JXagLACFScQNAodcyfedw
really depends on the design and grain of the stock as well as the actions bedding points Jerry
good examples of this are the old Walther LGV as well as the Evinix Rainstorms
stocks tend to shatter right at the grip in shipping due to the mass of the action working against the weakest part of the stock and it matters very little how well you pack them
Bought an LGV shipped in bubble wrap inside a hard case that was inside a cardboard box
grip was exploded around the renforcing dowel that decends through the grip.
in the case of the Edgun, the weakest part is that thin web of wood behind the pressure tube
you don’t want breakage there, ship it removed from the stock
My Edgun arrived perfect in every respect but I can see how others were damaged
All these packages get off-loaded onto conveyors that take them up and above the appropriate off-loading site then get routed down a short 9-10 foot metal Shute . These shutes widen at the bottom. An item usually aligns on it longest axis to clear the upper narrow part of the Shute at the top. So an item that is unimpeded can indeed gather quite a bit of speed as it descends the Shute.
Since the zippered bag has no padding along the zipper. If the gun is oriented correctly (or incorrectly) the gun can slide from one end bag to the other with enough force to rip through the zipper and crack the end of the stock. The damage could be intensified if the peanuts have shifted where there aren’t wnough to cushion the bag and gun together with a double bag sliding and gun sliding at the same time. Same as letting the rifle take a free drop on the butt of the gun.
Just looking at Mrnewbie’s picture shows the force that the action can have against the stock on a drop in the sorting Shute or by human handling. It doesn’t look like it hit on it’s barrel but damage was done on a drop on the buttstock.
I wonder if a long piece of high density foam that is 8 ” wide (box is 8″) with two 45 degrees cut outs so it would bend at a 90 degree angle on the corners would be all that was necessary to line the outer edges of the box against the the three sides of the zipper. Then pad side with peanuts.
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UPS sent someone over last Monday (14th), but he was not an inspector, just a regular pickup guy. Needless to say, I had reservations and decided to keep it to avoid any further damage.
Eventually, I decided to order a new stock from Tony (at my expense), and repair the broken one myself for the interim. Went to Menards and purchased LocTite Wood Glue with some Irwin Micro Bar clamps. I applied the glue with a small water painting brush and carefully locked it down with the bar clamps. Waited over night to let it dry, and the results were better than I expected.
I can barely see the crack and would guess most people without any prior knowledge wouldn’t even notice it was there in the first place. I’m very pleased with the repair and will most likely just keep it as-is and use the new stock (when it arrives in a few months) as a nice accessory for the next owner, in case I ever decide to sell it. Probably not…but you never know.
Here’s a picture of my R3 mounted in my den. BTW – the pistol to the left is a Hammerli 280 – without a doubt the most accurate handgun I’ve ever shot.
James
GEt a little steel wool and polish up the area of repair. I don’t know how or why but it actually brings out the color of the wood as well.
My repair was, 600 sandpaper, steel wool, and just a little walnut stain..
Spend an hour with it, and it will be invisible