WARNING: Do You Own A FrankEdstein EdGun?
To the airgun community:
I believe this is a necessary post here because of the poor business ethics that Dr. FrankEdstein poses on the airgun community. Your investment is at risk here. Notice I said ‘IS’ at risk because it certainly is.
Here’s my take on the situation. I believe and with good cause that Ed is after only one thing and that is your money. He doesn’t stand behind his product but most of the ass-kissers on here think that he does. How quickly we forget about the fiasco we had regarding the damaged guns being delivered and no resolution in sight for that issue. It took this forum to post a ‘sticky’ and many months before the resolution was in place. In my books, that is not customer service.
Here is the thread you all seem to have forgotten:
http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=24031
Moving right along here, there are many of us who own FrankEdsteins! What is a FranEdstein? It is a cobbled together Edgun using left over parts from other models with new parts to create the illusion of a new model. Were we ever notified of this incarnation? No, none of us were but Ed sold them to us while he moved out old inventory which he could no longer sell. This is fact gentlemen. They were having difficulty selling singe shot Edguns because the multi-shot was being released and they wanted the same money for the single shot as they did for the multi shot. Greed!
So what is a FrankEdstein?
There was an over abundance of R3’s in stock which are single shot guns. What they did was take the gun assembly and remove the single shot capability and then added a new multi-shot upgrade to the single shot gun and put this into a new R3M wood stock. The single shot gun assembly is shown in photo #1 below without the cut-out for the magazines.
The new genuine multi-shot R3M is shown in photo #2 which clearly shows the cut-outs for the magazines.
Now, ask yourself this question: if you want a multi-shot, which model do you want? Obviously model #2 because it has the space for the magazines and was manufactured for this purpose. Would you want a multi-shot with the single shot frame and no place to put the magazines? Of course not, especially since there is a model that has the cut-outs.
Well gentlemen, we all invested $2k in these FrankEdsteins and which model do you think will hold resale value and be more in demand? Certainly not the Model #1.
Were we told about this? Were we offered the opportunity to make a choice? Was there even a slight discount for the Model #1 because it was a FrankEdstein? The answers are No, No and No!
I’m sure some of the ass-kissers own FrankEdsteins and they’re probably thrilled and proud to be able to own the FrankEdstein.
To illustrate Dr. FrankEdstein’s contempt and arrogance to the airgun community we post some of his comments below for your reading pleasure:
Mr. Ed stated, that he has“the right to change everything in the gun without noticing the clients”! And then he adds more BS as long as “the changes are pointed to improve the gun”!
He really means as long as the changes are pointed to improve Ed’s financial wealth.
Mr. Ed is a disgrace not to mention highly unethical and dishonest. Let me explain…
Mr. Ed does have the right to change the gun and he does have the right to run his business his way but he does not have the right to take advantage of his clients nor does he have the right to be sneaky as he is. Honest, respectful and ethical businessmen would notify the client that a new model is also available and offer the client the choice. Offering the client, the choice is not in Mr. Ed’s best interest because he needed to move out single shot assemblies! And, he see’s nothing wrong with clients being frustrated; read on and you’ll see my point.
He then has the audacity to state, “can you imagine how the last buyers of single shot Matadors were frustrated when they saw in a couple of weeks that someone got multi shot Matador for the same price”.
And, he sees nothing wrong with that and has the audacity to publish it.
He doesn’t care as long as whatever you do puts money in his pocket and as long as it is best for Ed.
Friends: once you fork over the hard cold cash, you are on your own. To this, Dr. FranEdstein counters with I will refund you if the gun is in ‘new condition’. No one has a new gun 10 minutes after they open the box. In my case, I put a rail on the stock for a bipod and Dr. FrankEdsteing knows that we all do this. Dr. FrankEdstein knows this and as such his ‘refund’ is hollow. He did offer a refund for the gun assembly minus the stock which is unacceptable because I have no use for the stock. He sold me a FrankEdstein gun with cocking and indexing issues. It is a bastard gun. I own 4 Edgun’s. All previous models were fine so I expected this one to function properly as well. It did not and as such the manufacturer has the responsibility to refund in full as no other guns are available. If you get a good gun, great but I’m the living proof that if there is an issue, you are on your own.
FrankEdstein guns anyone?
WE’LL CALL THIS MODEL #1
WE’LL CALL THIS ONE MODEL #2
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A system commonly used in Europe. Many people go for district heating though but that , of course, isn’t an alternative when one lives outside that net. Many choose a heat pump then though.
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My brother is a chemical engineer and says we are way behind over here on making the pyrolysis systems work well and it is limited to industrial use for now. We have lots of natural gas but it is difficult to transport and requires pipe lines so it tends to be used in more densely populated areas. I am embarrassed to say my house is entirely electric heat but It is fairly inexpensive (cheaper than propane gas) because I have a huge nuclear power plant about 60 miles away and our kwh costs are very low.
“Pyrolise system works much more effitient then ordinary wood furnace”
THis is too funny you guys turned MG’s post around!!!!
Have you bought Insurance yet for this beautiful house?
Thanks for those pics. I’ve never seen those heating system before. But in Here the boiler can not be so close to the wall, at least 3ft clearance. Yours maybe has a very good insulation in the unit.
No, Honka is one of the most expensive companies in Finland, one square meter of the house cost about 2 000 euro, so mine in this case would cost me about 400 000 only the house alone. I bought house from Finlog company, good quality for reasonable money, the house itself (without roof, windows, floors etc.) cost me about 120 000 euro.
To Hoot — Honka is spruse in Finnish language 🙂
Here is the pyrolise boiler, the upper furnace for woods, the down one where the gas from woods is burned.
This is the heat accumulator (the big one), boiler for hot water, water accumulator, electrical boiler (on the wall). It is not installed properly yet.
NO….you idiot!!!
A “Honka” is a pen where one keeps geese, prior to slaughtering them for supper!
“Honka” is also a word used in one of Elvis Presley’s songs….”A Honka Honka Burning Love“, perhaps you have listened to it. It’s on Youtube for certain!
Regards,
H 😯 😯 t
That house looks a lot like my parents log house in Finnish Carelia. Is that a Honka ?
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Plus to sauna in the house I will build a separate banya (Russian sauna) near the lake, big one in the winter we love go to the whole in the ice at the river or lake after banya and dive there naked and then run back to banya.
As for love to water all my kids are fond of water, the first one was born to the water directly. She began to swim earlier then walk, the second love water as well and swims very well also. The third one now is custed with bucket of cold water after bath 🙂
I had no idea they had been made so efficient in extracting the energy from wood! That’s really a very good concept! The fire chamber must achieve extremely high temperatures to vaporize a solid piece of wood and leave only trace amounts of ash!
I guess if you want a good furnace you go somewhere extremely cold! They will know how to keep warm.
We don’t have natural gus (surpise, Russia sells gas to all the countries but we dont’ have it here 🙂 )so wood is the best option Modern technologies are very good regarding the effitiency. Plus to it all is automatically operated in the house. Every room has a dempereture measurer and the electronic regulator. You just should install the temperature you need in the room and it will be kept automatically so in one room you can have plus 20 centigrae in the next plus 15 or 25.
The great thing about a boiler is the temperature is consistent. Here, where natural gas is used, or electric heat pumps, the temperature of the house goes up and down, up and down, the furnace is always behind the desired temperature.
I had no idea they had been made so efficient in extracting the energy from wood! That’s really a very good concept! The fire chamber must achieve extremely high temperatures to vaporize a solid piece of wood and leave only trace amounts of ash!
I guess if you want a good furnace you go somewhere extremely cold! They will know how to keep warm.
That is very nice. I would setup a bench rest on the deck and shoot down the hill. So you can jump off of the snowmobile and into the sauna in the winter? 🙂 It reminds me of my brothers house up in Wisconsin. He loves to snowmobile an then jump in the hot tub. He has a Hasha outdoor underground wood stove and circulating water to the house. Your kids will love the water. My parents and sister-in-law both lived on lakes so I never needed to buy a boat. 😛
I didnt’ run it yet it is being installed and I hope it will be finished towards the end of this week. We have +1 Centigrade now, very warm. Pyrolise system works much more effitient then ordinary wood furnace, as it turns the wood into the gas and the gas is burning. I have 1 m3 heat accumulator, thus I expect I will use the boiler just once a day. As they say there is almost no ashes and I can believe it since I run my new chemney now and having it full of wood (about 25 kg) at the end I have less then 1/2 liter o ash.
Here is the chemney:
So I expect the pyrolise boiler will be even more effitient.
That is for boats. When I began to make the land all the shore was in the line of that sheds, I bought them all and destroyed, but the one on the left I cannot agree with the owner yet but I will no doubt.
Sure it freeze and the thickness of the ice could achive 1 meter. The bay is 350 meters width and 1.5 km long, on the left side the river which goes to Vig lake. So that is a nice place for kiting which I would like to learn next year. As for the fish, we got small fishes for cats from the shore an just 100 meters out of it people get good fish with the nets. But just for fun. Reall fishing is on the Vig lake, it takes about 1/2 hours by boat or snowmobile from my house.
Here are pictures I made in the summer time:
I hope you left a clear 65 meter space down one side for a home shooting range for the girls 😀
Yes, they are, you are right. In fact, according to the Russian legislation 20 mm shore line is public and nobody has right to build anything there or doesn’t allow anybody to go there 🙁 But I don’t care, put the fense and make the field of grass 🙂 But I plan to make the lake at the shooting gallery in the winter time 🙂
Would you like to share the picture of your pyrolysis boiler? and how do you make the well water to the drinkable water? How big is the house? more than 2000 sf at least? sorry for so many questions, Just love to see more details of the house.
I do hope so. The area of the house is 300 square meters, that makes about 322 000 sf. Two floors and the basement with the garage for two cars, sauna, storage for vegetables, all the heating and water equipment. As for the boiler — I will make picture later. The water is from the drill in the ground. We have sold rock at the depth about 12 meters, so we drilled down to 65 meters and found two streams of water, the capacity is about 2.5-3 m3 per hour.
The boiler looks so solid. It’s so big of your house. You said you have 10×10 square meters foundation, so I guess if you build two stores house on it, that living area will be more than 2000 sf plus attic area. Does the part of your house not have the basement? so you have over 2000 square meters land and 300 square meters living area. You have plenty of space for more babies. Merry Xmas and Happy NY.
Congratulations Ed on the new home and daughter. Enjoy the fruits of your labor….you deserve it!
I didnt’ run it yet it is being installed and I hope it will be finished towards the end of this week. We have +1 Centigrade now, very warm. Pyrolise system works much more effitient then ordinary wood furnace, as it turns the wood into the gas and the gas is burning. I have 1 m3 heat accumulator, thus I expect I will use the boiler just once a day. As they say there is almost no ashes and I can believe it since I run my new chemney now and having it full of wood (about 25 kg) at the end I have less then 1/2 liter o ash.
Here is the chemney:
So I expect the pyrolise boiler will be even more effitient.
That is for boats. When I began to make the land all the shore was in the line of that sheds, I bought them all and destroyed, but the one on the left I cannot agree with the owner yet but I will no doubt.
Sure it freeze and the thickness of the ice could achive 1 meter. The bay is 350 meters width and 1.5 km long, on the left side the river which goes to Vig lake. So that is a nice place for kiting which I would like to learn next year. As for the fish, we got small fishes for cats from the shore an just 100 meters out of it people get good fish with the nets. But just for fun. Reall fishing is on the Vig lake, it takes about 1/2 hours by boat or snowmobile from my house.
Here are pictures I made in the summer time:
I hope you left a clear 65 meter space down one side for a home shooting range for the girls 😀
Yes, they are, you are right. In fact, according to the Russian legislation 20 mm shore line is public and nobody has right to build anything there or doesn’t allow anybody to go there 🙁 But I don’t care, put the fense and make the field of grass 🙂 But I plan to make the lake at the shooting gallery in the winter time 🙂
Would you like to share the picture of your pyrolysis boiler? and how do you make the well water to the drinkable water? How big is the house? more than 2000 sf at least? sorry for so many questions, Just love to see more details of the house.
I do hope so. The area of the house is 300 square meters, that makes about 322 000 sf. Two floors and the basement with the garage for two cars, sauna, storage for vegetables, all the heating and water equipment. As for the boiler — I will make picture later. The water is from the drill in the ground. We have sold rock at the depth about 12 meters, so we drilled down to 65 meters and found two streams of water, the capacity is about 2.5-3 m3 per hour.
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Where I am (no natural gas piping) a heat pump is the preferred method with propane backup but the latest heat pumps work down to zero F. My wife doesn’t like the cool air the heat pumps blow and propane is more expensive than electric where I am so electric it is. 🙂 With the nuke close by our electric is about $0.06 per kwh. My brother pays double that in Wisconsin. 😯
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