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.25 slugs

On the yellow forum in the classified section there is a guy selling .25 slugs 73 grain and 56 grain. my question is how fast do you think that we could push them down the barrel of a Condor. he tested them in a Sumatra carbine. I would post the link but I dont know how. The wife is in France 🙁 and took the brains with her. 😳

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like “lead Jolly Ranchers” huh?

They DO kinda look like candy. Mmmmm, candy.

Those look good enough to eat! 😀

Yeah, that is 1 sweet photo of the slugs.

Rob, really hope those raptors shoot well out of your 45. They really do lay the smack down. REALLY!!
Here is the 1 that took down my pig…b4 and after pic of the slug:
B4:

Recovered:

More colors:

Jerry…. looks freakin awesome.

I am in MD at the moment at an IT Conference so I will be here all week, but I guess the slugs will be there when I get back. Will give them a go for you and let you know how all works out. Really interested in trying them out. Hey, if nothing else, these have to be the prettiest looking slugs out there! 8)

Should have some groups for you at the end of the weekend barring weather or honey-do’s.

Thanks again!

The red slugs are Barnes Raptors standard grade sized to .454. These slugs have been shown to work nicely in 909’s and Cedric used one to drop a pig dead in its tracks using his modified DS. The red color is a coating that provides a barrier between fingers and lead, adds some “bling” and does have some lubricitive properties. Multiple color choices also allow easy reference regarding grade, caliber or even age.

What are the red ones set off to the right rear of the pic? Looks like a black powder bullet (t/c maxi ball?). is the red just a lube; if so what kind?

I’ll hit you up to try of those slugs, let me send a PM.

Rob, Cedric, your slugs are in the mail! There’s a surprise in the packages too!

i think rcbs will make custom molds. send them a sample or drawing and you can make you own. bullets!!! might just be the way to go!!! kingpin

Rob,

I just thought you’d like to see a status report. Here are your slugs just before packaging. I’ve sized all the 8 ring .25’s to .251 and of the 6 rings I’ve sized 75 to .251 and 25 to .252 just to check if there’s an advantage to the larger size. I sized all the 8 rings to .251 because I think the length will accomodate less engraving of rifling and the smaller size will allow for easier loading. The Raptors turned out nice and I hope they do well out of your gun. I’m includeing some “.308s.” There are 15 that the die says are .309 but measure .3085, I don’t think they will shoot well out of your gun but since they’re already made… I’ve also included some “.308s” that are raw from the mold and might shoot as well ar better than your HS slugs. At least they are prettier!

For the rest of you that have ordered .25’s; I’m waiting on payment and many of your slugs are already done. Raptor customers; I’m going out to cast right now!

quote Jerry:

Butcher,

That’s an interesting idea. The heavy slugs are of course designed to take advantage of the high power potential of your guns and make taking game easier. If they prove especially accurate, they might be useful for long range target shooting too as they will retain energy and not drift as much. But the real reason most folks want heavier .25 slugs is to take game… at least as far as the posts I read indicate.

I would think that a round that tumbled as soon as it got inside a critter would be the best as that would cause the most damage and the quickest kill. But the game you would take with a .25 is fairly small and I expect the slugs will bore right through anything groundhog sized or smaller.

I’ve considered doing some testing with ballistic media. In particular, I’ve thought about getting some SIM-TEST from Corbin. The problem is cost. The only reason I’d get the media to test would be for my own curiosity and mostly to see what my big bore slugs do. There is really no money to be made in making custom slugs. If there was, these .25s wouldn’t be all that interesting and you’d have a selection from a bunch of places! I do this because my kids do most of the work and get all of the profit. I make squat from this endeavor. To go get ballistic media for testing .25s would cost more than the profit from all the sales so far and probably for the next couple months. We’re not starving but slugs sure aren’t paying for food! 😀

The problem is that lots of folks talk about shooting but when it comes down to actually buying slugs and shooting critters or groups, there isn’t much there. The volume just doesn’t support expensive testing. That’s why I have volunteer testers like Cedric and I don’t buy .25 guns to do it all myself. I’d like to but while it’s a fun hobby and makes some pocket money for my boys (that they have to WORK for), it’s not charity work!

Jerry I realize there is no killing to be made with the casting, and I want you to know that your efforts with the .25 slugs are much appreciated. If I had a .25 (had to sell mine) I would buy every size you offer and do some testing myself as those are the slugs I have been waiting to see.

I do hope to have a .25 again by the winter time for fur season.

As far as the slug tumbling on game that is not what I want to see. Granted for varmints it would be pretty neat
😈 but the stabilized bullet is far more reliable and will certainly penetrate much better especially when hitting a shoulder bone. This will enable us to see the .25’s true potential, and take even larger game to be taken with a .25, and cleaner harvests in general.

I would love to see the .25 become accepted as an excellent fur-harvesting caliber for coyote sized game using frontal body shots and quick recoveries (no head-shots necessary).
Of course people after smaller varmints are always free to go up in size to a bullet that is stable until impact, then tumbles.

Chad,

Thanks for bumping up the thread! I hope I didn’t offend with my call for patience. We do pretty low volume here and I’d hate to get the rep for doing little but doing it poorly! 😆

Butcher,

That’s an interesting idea. The heavy slugs are of course designed to take advantage of the high power potential of your guns and make taking game easier. If they prove especially accurate, they might be useful for long range target shooting too as they will retain energy and not drift as much. But the real reason most folks want heavier .25 slugs is to take game… at least as far as the posts I read indicate.

I would think that a round that tumbled as soon as it got inside a critter would be the best as that would cause the most damage and the quickest kill. But the game you would take with a .25 is fairly small and I expect the slugs will bore right through anything groundhog sized or smaller.

I’ve considered doing some testing with ballistic media. In particular, I’ve thought about getting some SIM-TEST from Corbin. The problem is cost. The only reason I’d get the media to test would be for my own curiosity and mostly to see what my big bore slugs do. There is really no money to be made in making custom slugs. If there was, these .25s wouldn’t be all that interesting and you’d have a selection from a bunch of places! I do this because my kids do most of the work and get all of the profit. I make squat from this endeavor. To go get ballistic media for testing .25s would cost more than the profit from all the sales so far and probably for the next couple months. We’re not starving but slugs sure aren’t paying for food! 😀

The problem is that lots of folks talk about shooting but when it comes down to actually buying slugs and shooting critters or groups, there isn’t much there. The volume just doesn’t support expensive testing. That’s why I have volunteer testers like Cedric and I don’t buy .25 guns to do it all myself. I’d like to but while it’s a fun hobby and makes some pocket money for my boys (that they have to WORK for), it’s not charity work!

quote Tofazfou:

Ahhh TEF, a wise man you are. For some reason, i just like the sound of the 62 or 7 ring version. They get my vote. I too think it is the comprimise of weight and velocity. 900+ fps just sounds good to me. Think those 70+ grainers are gonna prove AWESOME. At 50 yrds, they ripped through my target backing which was light steel. The rapid shooting Kodiaks at 930+ FPS could not do it at 10 yrds with repeated shots in the same hole.

One other potential test criteria (though possibly a bit more labor intensive and difficult) is to test these heavy slugs by shooting them into ballistic gel downrange to see if the super-heavy slugs tumble upon impact, or if they are stable enough to drill straight through at different ranges.

Impact stability wouldn’t really matter for silhouette or target shooting, but I like to do a lot of hunting as well.

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