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EDgun Matador R3 versus Kalibr Cricket, my comparison….

Hi guys,

Warning for those who don’t like images:

This is going to be a thread with lots of graphics….. 😉

As promised, I’ll try to share with you my personal opinion and findings while comparing these beauties:

As some of you may know, I have two Matador Std R3s and I have one Cricket (with access to another one). All are cal.22……

My wait for my Matadors should be well documented on this very forum…..

The Crickets were a part of a group buy masterminded from Europe somewhere. The Crickets were shipped in parts to Norway and reassembled by my good blueprinting friend Egon Olsen. In the process he had to remove a “restrictor” screw that had been put into the guns before shipment. Most probably because of Power limitation rules at origin….

The Crickets arrived with no documents whatsoever. No instructions, – no nothing. I don’t think this is standard procedure though…..

The Cricket weighs less than the R3, – and is approx 5 cm shorter. Not a lot, – but overall it makes the Cricket even easier to handle than the already tiny R3….

The side by side comparison was done from my modest little shooting table at my summerhouse:

– and the shooting range is here, – with my target set up at 46mts:

Why 46 mts ? Simply because I could not pull my shooting stand further back right now. A huge tree has fallen during winter, and all the branches have taken up my space… 👿

First problem: How to fill the f…. Cricket ?

The fillprobe nut is so tiny that a standard foster coupling gasket will not seal. The entire probe is small, – and you fear you may break it while trying to tighten it:

The above (sorry for the image quality) is a comparison between ED’s, Cricket’s and Falcon’s fill probes. You can probably see what I mean….

As I could not make a standard Fostergasket fit, Egon had to make special gaskets that we fitted into the Foster coupling itself. Not an ideal solution, – and I have no clue how long it will last…….. 🙄

On the fill probe: Matador 1, Cricket 0 points.

Air filling:

I honestly dont like any of the solutions that these two manufacturers have chosen………..

The Cricket people have come up with the worst. To expose the hole for the fillprobe, – you have to slide forward the tip of the reservoir. But that stupid tip is retained by a spring, – and slides back with a smack once you let go:

If you’re not careful when taking the fillprobe back out, the tip will spring back and ruin the fill probe O-rings faster than I can say my name….

While filling, the “tip” rests on the previously mentioned small nut. And there’s not a lot clearance. So a bigger nut (for those with lathe skills), – is not going to help you much. A thicker nut might…….

In short: A very stupid filling system, – BUT once you know how to operate it and care is taken, – at least it covers the hole when filling is over.

The Matador does not come with anything to cover the filling hole at all:

I use tape right now, – but a plug of some sort would be good….. 😉

My preferred system would be that of Falcon:

The tip of the reservoir has been turned into a curled “collar” that you rotate to expose the hole. Simple, easy and effective. And few moving parts that may break or go astray……….

Now, I have no idea how much air I can fill into the Cricket, – and the gun gauge certainly does not help much:

I trust the gauge on my fillkit, – and 3000 psi is roughly on the border between green and yellow…….

Points for airfill procedure: Matador 1, Cricket 0. In my opinion….. 😉

Cheers from Trygve 😀

To be continued……….. 😀

(if you so desire…… 😳 )

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quote Naser404:

Zoco,

if you want to know what setting to set your regulator than connect the filling to the gun & leave it connect & closed at 200Bar, keep shooting it until you get the speed needed, say 900, check the gauge on the tank your connected to & that’s the setting to keep ur req at.

Good luck.

Trygve,

AND if you do that, is it perhaps possible to make a full string with the cricket this way from 300 bar to 90 and write down the pressure after each shot?
I know it is some work, but we all will learn of it…

Thanks,

Robert.

Trygve, sometimes to find out “why” we need to do some more test, to get better understanding.

so try this for me please.

fill to only 170 BAR & try shooting a string, does the same thing happen ?

Hi Nazer, – and thanks…!

I am indeed listening……!!! 😀

I’ll dig for the old thread and try to figure out what to do. But I would indeed like to know WHY my string looks so strange before diving into the inners of my gun….. 😉

Compared to the shotstrings I’ve seen from the untuned Crickets, – the Matador R3s certainly don’t have much to brag about apart from shotcount and power. But then I haven’t seen more than a few dozen complete Cricket strings so it may be too early to tell. Will be interesting to hear what other people experience now that Crickets have been made available in the US….

Cheers
Trygve 😀

Zoco,

That seems as if the needs to clear itself for the 1st 5 shots, this might be an issue with the regulator, I doubt that changing the spring tension will fix it, unless by messing around it suddenly cures itself.

Dig for a very old thread I made where its the easiest way to adjust the regulator, only 5 minutes max, and you don’t even have to open the gun up, only the front cap.

And with due respect to all but when you reduce the regulator you defiantly need to also reduce the HST, cause there is “less” pressure pushing against the valve, does it make sense ?!

Are you listening ?!

Edit: if you want to know what setting to set your regulator than connect the filling to the gun & leave it connect & closed at 200Bar, keep shooting it until you get the speed needed, say 900, check the gauge on the tank your connected to & that’s the setting to keep ur req at.

Good luck.

Thanks Kazzz, – looking forward to your update………. 😀

Now, – where are Ed and OG now ???

Please guys, – I need your guidance…..!!! 😳 😳 😳

Cheers
Trygve 😀

Zoco,

I go to the range also tonight.. I’ve noticed last time (1,5 month ago) also a strange behavior with my Ed, speed went down the first shots.
After adjusting the speed to 885fps, it stayed there.

I’ve bought a Combro MK4 which I wanted to test tonight vs the F1, so.. I will write down my results and try to post tomorrow! Another reference for you.
I did not touch my reg either yet..

Thanks, Newbie, – I appreciate it…….. 😀

Your string looks more like mine used to before this weird drop started to happen and also a lot like the one I have from the other R3 I posess…..

I too don’t really want to take it all apart to adjust the reg quite yet.

First I need to know what causes the drop in the first place……. 🙄

Hopefully ED or OG (or both) will be commenting soon.

I simply don’t have a clue as to what has happened……… 😳 😳 😳

Cheers
Trygve 😀

quote Demp223:

Mrnewbie. Ive got my reg and HST dialed on my 22 long. It came to me originally shooting at 950fps. Now it slings JSB 18s at 890fps
3-4fps SD, max spread of 10fps for 115 shots before she drops off reg.
One freakishly efficient air rifle. Just a bit of tweaking to reg.

I know, I’m gonna do it one of these days..(need more pellets) my sd of 5 is fine…but a max spread of 23 ..not to great…

Just posted because it does not exhibit the same first several shots major drop off as the 2 guns zocoloco posted.

Mrnewbie. Ive got my reg and HST dialed on my 22 long. It came to me originally shooting at 950fps. Now it slings JSB 18s at 890fps
3-4fps SD, max spread of 10fps for 115 shots before she drops off reg.
One freakishly efficient air rifle. Just a bit of tweaking to reg.

This is my 22 longs shot string. Just thought I would post it for referance.
Its using crosman 14.3’s, but I have figured out crosman 14.3’s at 915 or so equal JSB 18.1’s in the 880fps range or real close.

The reg has never been touched, just the HST to lower the FPS, it was out of the box shooting around the 950’ish with the 18.1’s. Notice after it comes off reg..the fps goes UP..a sign to turn reg down. Or a sign to bump the averag upto 940or so..like Ed said. But a SD of about 5..is not bad and 65 shots is plenty for me

Yes. I know I could adjust the reg 1/2 turn or so in and get a better, longer curve. I have just been to lazy

Hehehehe… 😀

Thanks guys, – but I am not touching the regulator quite yet….. 😉

I prefer to do one thing at the time and check the reults before moving on to next step……

Still I fail to understand why the string drops when it previously used to be “flattish”. It does not seem to make any sense at all….. 😥

😀

Guys,

When you lower the req, you need to “lower” the HST no up it. Zoco, lower that HST.

My input would be, lower the reg and higher the HST..
Or try now to higher the HST without the reg… Let’s see what it does..

quote Ed:

3. If you want to see better string, you have two options, either to increase the power of the gun or to reajust the regulator to the lower speed. The other thing, which I always tell to my customers – after few thousand shots one has to tune down the speed of the gun to about 700 fps and then began to raise it up step by step and find the first peak of the speed one needs (for example 900 fps, then keep it. The point is that after few thousand shots the gun became more effitien from the point of veiw of air consumption and you need less strongest of the hammer spring then before, but it stays at the previous possition.

4. Try to reajust it as I described earlier. Then we’ll see. Besides I do not recommend to shoot to the pressure less then 120 bar.

OK, – I have done as requested (or parts of it). I have tried to increase the power quite a bit (your option one). The resulting string is shown in green below:

The string still drops some 40/45 fps from start until it stabilizes around 890/900 fps for a short period until the regulator comes off around shot no 58…

What’s next ??? 🙄 Increase power even more ???

Why does the string drop ??? 🙄

Cheers 😀

A guy on the Yellow did that and some fella posted almost 100 “edits” of his first post until he hit 120, the magic posting number.

Won’t work.

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