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Athlon has a good warranty, One Line of their scopes are made in Japan.
You guys need to read the fine print before saying product X carries a lifetime transferable warranty. It certainly isn’t the case with Hawke. I’ve owned 2 of their scopes brand new and it was sub par and I actually got them for a good price. Hawke is one line of scope that I would never buy used.
http://www.hawkeoptics.com/warranty.html
The Hawke Lifetime Warranty is non-transferable. As such, only the original purchaser may assert a warranty claim. Your proof of purchase must accompany your claim.
I have a had many scopes over the years, $50 Hawks/BSA/UTG’s to $700 Sightrons. IMO for the money Hawke especially the Sidewinder series is hard to beat. A true lifetime warranty on decent glass. The turrets arent great and become soft over time so programs like Chairgun or Strelok Hawke is not a good choice… Is there a $400 plus or minus scope out there that the turrets continue to stay positive over time? If so I have not found one.
If you shop around a new Hawke Sidewinder can be had for under $400 shipped. Decent glass with a lifetime guarantee that Hawke stands behind. For the money I have not found a better scope with a no nonsense lifetime warranty that is transferable. Makes selling used Hawke scopes easier and buying a used one a safer purchase.
German barrel…..
German glass….
When will we see stamped Made in Germany? 😀
Yes because the company that is manufacturing the other components of edguns (because edgun itself isn’t manufacturing anything) is located near the border of Belarus/Ukraine, which in turn border with Poland and which finally borders with Germany.
This probably is enough to justify a “Made in Germany” and made in germany is selling well. :8:
Your better off to buy a $70 truglo 8-32 than any hawke product.
The swfa scopes mentioned were produced originally for a navy contract to fill the void until a proper replacement for the 10x unertls was found. Plus or minus a few features between the two the swfa matched up well to the unertls. That’s saying a lot.
March scopes are in the top tier of current long range scopes. My only complaint ( and the only reason I’ve not bought one) is ffp reticles @ 80x cover up way to much to be usable on small targets.
Edgun scopes with schott glass ?? I’m interested…
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Me neither I own an Edgun scope but I perfectly agree with Elmer.
When you buy a scope you put at the same level the scope, the warranty and the service and all of them have to be excellent.
In most cases you or somebody for you can fix the issues a gun might have although this is not true for the scope.
Different story if the scope is good but has a bargain price, then you do like with many chinese products, in case of problems you just throw them into the trash-bin, not a big loss and you even don’t care about warranty or assistance.
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Except there is a perfect scope for airgun use. It comes in two flavors. It’s the March 3-24×42 and 3-24×52. You just need to sell a kidney to afford it.
Plus now it comes with this interesting xmas tree reticle.
But I agree with many here that Hawke scope is overprice crap yet people keep buying them for airguns. If they were half the price I think they would be a fair option but street price is around $400 for the Sidewinders. Glass is subpar, it’s too heavy and too long. The only thing I can commend Hawke is their warranty but it’s not transferable.
Thank you for elaborating. Now I understand what you mean. Very good information as I have come to expect from your posts.
I don’t think the mirage thing is real across the board. I missed cleaning an FT course by one point in competition with a 32x scope so I have to somewhat disagree that anything above 16x is not usable. Longest shot was just a little over 55 yds, (I’m not trying to beat my chest here I’m simply providing my real world experience with higher magnification scopes) I shot the whole course at 32x except for the one ten yard shot. (Correction: I re-read your post and you mean anything at real long range using 16x or higher will suffer from mirage. Sorry I thought you meant any range, my bad)
I don’t click like you do so I haven’t found any issues yet with the turrets. I shoot at 25 power all the time and use the Hawke ballistic software with a zero at 50 yds. My sidewheel is calibrated to actual distance I measued off so if it comes in to focus and it says it’s 70 yds on the sidewheel then the appropriate mil or half mil gets selected and the shot is on it’s way. I dd find the range markings on the sidewheel were slightly off from the factory so I measured distance and came up with my own markings.
Anyway, I will take your advice and look in to this style of scope as I’m always open to change and better technology. Thank you for taking the time to school me up. Also, thanks for stepping up to become an Edgun dealer.
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Guy Z.
I read your post, and yes I totally disagree. Just to clarify I don’t even have an EDgun scope yet. My experience is based on using the SWFA. This isn’t about me selling scopes, I will never bullshit someone just to sell a scope. You’ll see I am actively participating in the SWFA thread and never once did I try to sell someone one of my scopes. I’m not competing with Hawke, I view the SWFA as the real competition. I never even considered Hawke because it is in my experience an inferior scope in both the glass and mechanical tracking. The turrets are mushy and if you spin them a lot they will not return to zero. The Hawke scopes are not MIL/MIL, they are MIL/MOA. Using two different angular measurement systems is a total pain when shooting long range. The dope card seen on the top of my scope is not for the reticle, it is an MRAD dope card set at 5 meter intervals. This is for spinning the turret for doping range. Since BC is a variable depending on the range that dope card has the proper BC and drop calculated with the corresponding MRAD value out to 200 meters. I usually tell you guys yards just to simplify my language to something we Americans understand but for a MIL/MIL scope I use the Metric system.
Most of my shots are taken well past 60 yards, more like 100-120. I often return to the same farm and they will not sick around if I get close to them. Its even worse with the squirrels I shoot. If you watch my last video those eggs where shot at 250 yards with a 12X scope. Really long range in the heat anything past 16X is not useable because of mirage.
When a shooter is using a SFP MIL dot scope the Mil value is changes with the magnification. This means that if you are not using the scope on its calibrated magnification it is not a true MIL dot anymore. This is important for two reasons. First using a MIL dot for ranging a critter is very effective, you can quickly count how many MIL dots you pigeon is and you’ll know the range. When using a variable magnification it is constantly changing. Secondly the holdovers change when you adjust magnification. Memorizing the infinite possibilities for MIL dot holdover causes most users to sick to a single magnification value. If you’re going to do that why not save weight, money and get a simple bomb proof system found in the fix powered scopes? After all 60 yards is shotgun distance, long range is really 800-1000 meters, that’s where a 16X-20X 3K dollar scope is needed,.
Wish I could “hit the gym” and carry a heavy ass gun/scope. But piss poor genetics screwed that over. My 11 Pound setup is too much for me.
GuyZ, you make very valid points. I dislike Hawke because of my bad experience with it. Heavy for what they are and both my SW were returned due to defects.
Keyser,
I respect your opinion and I’m not going to argue with you regarding your experience. I just don’t understand what you are saying.
What do you mean by the “ease of not calculating holdover…. I”m not challenging you here, just trying to understand with all respect what you are saying.
I find the Hawke ballistic software to be very accurate. Each mil and half mil have a setting ingrained in my head for my pellet and velocity. It’s pretty easy to memorize. I don’t need any tape on my scope or butt of my gun.
The pigeons I hunt are super skittish and shots of 60 yds are the most likely the minimum. You get much closer and they fly to the other side of the farm. Shot gunners pretty much ruined it for the air gun guys. Sad.
How can more magnification be a hinderence when you’re shooting long distances like I am? I can see you disagreeing on some points, but to totally disagree on all points makes me wonder if you’ve even read what I posted. So you don’t agree that a scope is a tool? You don’t agree that hawke glass isn’t as clear as the Elite series? Or are you just saying that for you 12 x is good enough for the shooting you do and it should be good for everyone else as well. Set me straight so I understand what you’re saying. I know some people here attack you for no reason and I’m not doing that. You are far more knowledgeable than I am with regard to Edguns and scopes as I know you’ve had your share of both. I have nothing but respect for you and all on this board. If you wan’t me to crawl back to my hole just say so and I’ll do that. No hard feelings.
Trust me I have nothing against you or what you are selling/promoting. I’m not trying to de-rail the Edgun scope train. I think they are fantastic. I think you are a great contributor to the airgun community. You provide products, valuable information, and I can’t say thank you enough. I’m not here attacking anyone, or anything. Not my style. Just saying that there isn’t a perfect scope. Buy the one that suits you and what you do with it. I would think most would agree with that.
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Guy Z
GuyZ…
I wish i could send you my hawke 8.5-25X42 that dust gathered on it and haven’t used since i got my Edgun Scopes …
Im not bashin the hawke scopes at all…i still like it … but since I have better choice for my bullpups … Edgun scopes are light weight and more compact…for sure more clear… better reticle.. so.. if you were me .. you would use it for sure…
I totally disagree. I shoot pigeons at dairy farms. All done with a 12x scope. The ease of not calculating holdover with a fixed magnification scope is very effective I have been there done that with a Hawke, I wish I would have had your contact when I sold all my Hawke scopes.
Sad to see all the Hawke bashing. I know the TAC’s were popular at one time and I agree the glass isn’t super clear but let’s remember that a scope is a tool just like a gun or bullpup is.
For some, having low magnification and light weight fit the job at hand and for others like me who shoot 50-100 plus yards at pigeons at dairy farms…well I need a different tool and so far the Hawke 8.5-25 fits the bill nicely. Don’t get me wrong the Edgun scopes look awesome and I’m sure most will be happy but 10-12 x doesn’t cut it for me. I know some will say it’s more than enough magnification but I disagree. My eyes are older than most and the nice thing about higher mag. is I can see the pellet flight which helps me make corrections if I misjudge the wind at 80 yds. I admit, the Hawke is probably overpriced by about $100 and it’s heavier but you do get some nice accessories (sunshade, pointer, wheel etc..)
I wish the glass on the Hawke was as clear as the Bushnell Elite, but it isn’t. Clarity is very important for those trying to shoot a squirrel head peaking above a branch next to a pine cone, but shooting pigeons, rabbits etc…it may not be as important.
I understand most buy a bullpup for the compact size and they would like to keep it that way by putting a compact lightweight scope on it, but lets be honest, if you can’t carry an 8-9 pound gun in the field for a few hours then it’s probably time to hit the gym.
I think the Edgun scope suits what the Edgun was designed for which is a “truck gun”. Other than that there really isn’t a “perfect” scope. There is however a good scope that fits the job and that differs from person to person depending on the job at hand. Thanks Ed for bringing another scope option to the table. I for one appreciate having choices.
If anyone has an Old “sucky” Hawke 8.5-25 laying around collecting dust, shoot me PM and I’ll buy it off you. 😉
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Guy Z.
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http://www.hawkeoptics.com/warranty.html
The Hawke Lifetime Warranty is non-transferable. As such, only the original purchaser may assert a warranty claim. Your proof of purchase must accompany your claim.
IMO they post its non transferable for scopes that were abused or buyers that are a PITA. I have had two used Hawke scopes go back for warranty. Scopes purchased off the Yellow that went to Hawke service department with no proof of purchase or receipt. One was replaced with a refurbished unit the other replaced with an upgraded model because the scope I sent in was no longer made. Last month someone I sold a Hawke scope to was having trouble with the turrets, 5 year old Hawke with no receipt was repaired/replaced free of charge by Hawk
Reading and posting on gun forums for years, in that time I have read or heard of 3 to 5 people that have had a problem with Hawke warranty/customer service, used or new.