FrankEdstein Part 2 or Zocoloco & Why He’s Plum Loco!
Below is the thread I quoted from in its exact unedited format. Take a look at the wear and tear on a brand new Edgun R3M breech and mag, then you tell me that’s acceptable. I highly doubt it.
I’ve spent some time in my basement. Don’t know where to start really……
I have had some 50 pellets through now, – and these were my notes:
I started at around 195 bars and used my Crombo for the speed measurements. I noted the pressure after every ten shots, – an it appears my R3M cal.22 consumes some 12/13 bars per 10 shots. I write like a pig, but people with a goood imagination may be able to read the velocity numbers I hope…….. đł Out of the box between 925 and 900 fps with the vast majority around between 910/920.
I used the ms-function with proper indexing, and it never failed once ! It felt a little rough in the beginning, but after a few shots I forgot all about that. It didn’t feel very different from a lot of other guns I have been shooting.
I never removed the mag. It stayed in there all the time. I realized that the mag reveals four open slots as it rotates, – and I simply recharged after every four shots via these. Refreshingly simple as the mag is somewhat hard to pull out. But as it happens, – there’s honestly no need to take it out. Just recharge as I did. It works beautifully……. :8:
Hawkeyes may notice that the mag has been “filed down” quite a bit and gone is anodizing and friends around the edges at the back of the mag. This happens because the mag is being squeezed against the back wall of the mag slot as it rotates. What squeezes it is the spring loaded ball bearing that lines up the mag for each shot:
This ball bearing is a tough little fellow with quite some force behind it. Not only does it push the mag firmly against the back wall of the mag chamber, it also gives the mag some beating as it rotates from one shot position to the next:
You should be able to see how the anodizing is being filed off on the rim of the mag.
There seems to be some grinding going on also around the center of the mag on both sides. Here is the other side of it:
However that’s not the end of the grinding story. I was very surprised to find that the outside surface of the mag also seemed a bit “tired” and “scruffy” after today’s session. Inspection of the mag slot in the breech revealed an edge on the inside that most likely shouldn’t have been there
No big deal as it will be grinded off and polished by the mag during the break-in period……. đ
However, there’s a lot of friction in this mag set up. Some of it will go away eventually, – but not all How to lubricate this part I don’t know yet. Aluminium on aluminium is not easy, and added to that is the risk of getting some lube into the pellet slots and further into the barrel. On that path there’s an O-ring in the forward breech that must be passed too. And O-rings don’t like anything but silicone grease………
I may want to try some silicone spray glider that dries like a thin film on whatever material. It’s designed to reduce the friction of rigging, zippers etc. on a sailboat and should probably do the trick here too……..
My gun is of the MK I type, – and the breech/mag system is already obsolete. As I understand it, the versions shipped to the US is of the MK II variant. I’ve never seen one of those but will soon. Apparently the mags and the indexing system may have been modified a little and for the better. The little nasty ballbearing that pushes the mag against the wall, has been moved inwards towards the center of the mag. That should mean less distance for the mag to rotate against it between shots. It should also mean that the cam that indexes the mag would need less power to do so as it gets a longer “arm” to work with…..
We’ll see…… đ
Oh, – I forgot to tell you how this little bastard shoots. Below is tonight’s session on “paper”. There are five 10 shot groups shot from a sandbag at a distance of 50 m (55yds). The groups should speak for themselves:
Cheers
Trygve in Oslo đ
Hello to all my friends and the ass kissers who wonât see this because they blocked meâŚ
Regarding Edgun R3M: http://www.talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=28318&hilit=frankedstein
For those of you who are not aware of and to recap who exactly are the the Members of the ‘Ed Ass Kissing Club’ or as I like to term them, the self-absorbed, addicted, distracted and ignorant Edgun internet groupies consists of:
Ridetoeat, Coda, the Wing Nut NZ loser, The childish Krille from Sweden, Hoot, The goat screwer, Ed of course, Loco too, Synopsys, Knifemaker, and Iâll update this as I remember the others.
This post is not for the âEdgun Ass Kisser Clubâ members and thank heaven they won’t be responding because they can’t see this thread. I am merely wanting to advise and inform those of you who can think for yourselves and are open-minded enough to see when something is crap and you’re being screwed.
I know many of you have missed me and my accurate, right to the point and amusing posts but we had a very hectic Christmas as business was booming. We finally caught up around the middle of January. I also bought myself a new truck for a Christmas present so Iâve been entertained with that project. Airguns are cheap compared to what you can do to modify a truck today!
The weather is beautiful, 80 degrees this week, life is good, adventurous and fun and I do hope it is for you as well.
Before I get into the actual post, let me make this statement:
Imagine buying a new vehicle and finding out that the drivers door fits too tightly into the frame. Each time you open the door, the paint chips and the door is very hard to open. You then come to the revelation that you don’t need the door because you can enter the vehicle through the window. Now, would that be acceptable? Of course not but the ass-kissing club members, Loco in particular, would have you believe that this is acceptable when owning a $2000 Edgun. And then to add insult to injury, you make this issue aware to everyone and people tell you that it’s acceptable and quit complaining and just use the window to get into the vehicle. Sounds ridiculous, well read on…
I thought Iâd post a long overdue comment that ‘Zocoloco’ made or as I like to call him, just plain ‘Loco’ regarding his beloved Edgun in this thread:
OK, here we goâŚ.
Loco, youâre off your rocker! Do you have your head crammed so far up Edâs butt that you donât see how ridiculous you sound protecting his piece of crap gun!
First asinine statement and I quote:
âI never removed the mag. It stayed in there all the time. [b] I realized that the mag reveals four open slots as it rotates, – and I simply recharged after every four shots via these. Refreshingly simple as the mag is somewhat hard to pull out. But as it happens, – there’s honestly no need to take it out. Just recharge as I did. It works beautifullyâ[/b]
Loco, the gun is designed to remove the mag not refill it each time you see 4 empty slots. If thatâs the case why buy a multi shot! The âmag is somewhat hard to pull outâ is the poor design of the breach and mag itself that you are defending. The thing was designed to fill the mag, load it into the gun, shoot till empty, remove, and replace; not fill after every 4 shots. Incredible statement.
Second asinine statement and I quote:
âHawkeyes may notice that the mag has been “filed down” quite a bit and gone is anodizing and friends around the edges at the back of the mag. This happens because the mag is being squeezed against the back wall of the mag slot as it rotates. What squeezes it is the spring loaded ball bearing that lines up the mag for each shotâ
Loco, âfiled downâ is a satisfactory appearance and function of this flawed model! I own other guns with similar mags and they donât look âfiled downâ. It a design flaw in a $2000 gun.
Third asinine statement and I quote:
âThis ball bearing is a tough little fellow with quite some force behind it. Not only does it push the mag firmly against the back wall of the mag chamber, [b]it also gives the mag some beating as it rotates from one shot position to the nextâ[/b]
Loco, once again this is a design flaw. The gun was designed by an amateur looking to pop out another model to us unsuspecting buyers. Once again, this is a design flaw. I own many other guns with similar mags that operate smoothly without the difficulty this Edgun model presents. And you think that taking a “beating” is an acceptable operating procedure and acceptable design! You are plum loco.
Fourth asinine statement and I quote:
âThere seems to be some grinding going on also around the center of the mag on both sidesâ
Loco, this is an understatement! And you think âgrindingâ on a brand new gun is acceptable and a ingenious design? The gun is flawed as is the design.
Fifth asinine statement and I quote:
âHowever that’s not the end of the grinding story. I was very surprised to find that the outside surface of the mag also seemed a bit “tired” and “scruffy” after today’s session. Inspection of the mag slot in the breech revealed an edge on the inside that most likely shouldn’t have been thereâ
Loco, so now there is a âburrâ on the inside of the breech that âmost likely shouldn’t have been thereâ. Incredible and you donât see anything wrong with that and accept it. Well, I donât! The gun is flawed and should have never been released to the general public until these issues had been resolved.
Sixth asinine statement and I quote:
âNo big deal as it will be grinded off and polished by the mag during the break-in periodâ
Loco, âNo big dealâ huh. Youâre a pinhead to accept mediocrity when paying $2000 for a gun.
Seventh asinine statement and I quote:
âHowever, there’s a lot of friction in this mag set up. Some of it will go away eventually, – but not allâ
Loco, so some of it will go away âeventuallyâ as in when? A month, six months, six years? Is one supposed to suffer through that period with a $2000 gun? And, what is someone to do with the “friction” that does not “go away eventuallyâ as you stated? So we’re just supposed to accept it and pretend it isn’t there because of our love for Ed. You and the others can kiss his ass, I won’t.
Iâm done and want to wish all of you a great week ahead.
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X3 I think John can totally do it! He was trying to help me fixing my .30, we were messaging back and forward explaining how to desassemble the gun, he also sent me some orings, what stand up guy!
nothing against Tony, maybe Ed needs two people here in US to run the show!
Guys,,, as per your complains and your ongoing problems in US then again per your posts that US distributor is not that helpful or let say cannot provide all help and your demand will be delay or so ,,,, i think your are correct and need more distributors in US ,,, let ask you a question; how many Edgun owners in USA? or how many population in USA?
let is be frank ,,, i don’t think only one person can handle all the responsibility of all of you guys,,, the result will be like this ….
i think there will be no wrong thing with bringing another distributor to USA for Edgun company… Isn’t it?
hope Eduard solve this problem to you …
i just want the best for all of you guys,,, and be happy with your guns,,,
I didn’t pay any penny ,,, i don’t think he takes money ….
Exactly! One wants answers to one´s questions. I know that it isn´t easy and it´s time taking but i think a customer is at least entitled to get an answer within a couple of days.If one sends several e-mails without any answer , well – not good. At all. I myself get pissed if i´m ignored twice and take my business elsewhere. Two word answers won´t cut it either.
Downright lies and excuses make my blood boil.
At least someone that isn’t afraid to type more than 2 words in an email.
Communication needs to be there too
:dito:
A good distributor is the A and the O but even the distributor needs steady parts supply from the Factory to be able to serve the customers. If the current US distributor is to blame then John would be an excellent choice. If the blame is at the source it really doesn´t matter who´s tryin to distribute – no parts is no parts. :fishinghole:
Ed, if you need a new distributor for your Edguns, email me. How much $ do you need to start ? I am all in.
X3 I think John can totally do it! He was trying to help me fixing my .30, we were messaging back and forward explaining how to desassemble the gun, he also sent me some orings, what stand up guy!
nothing against Tony, maybe Ed needs two people here in US to run the show!
sorry, I have to give you credit, I forgot about you, you are saying the truth already since a long time now and you have been coherent with your thoughts :D.
Just to make every thing clear, my posts are not about to make people avoid to buy Edguns and even not against Edguns but about the wrong commercial pratices that stand behind them and that people like MG has also pointed out.
IMHO I think that today Edguns are doping the BP market and even the Crickets, that are also really fine rifles, would sell for less if the BP market price would not be messed up by the Edguns.
ATB to everybody and enjoy your weekend. đ
My Posts aren´t meant to scare people away from these marvellous rifles but just like you pointed out i´m against the way the spare parts thing is managed/unmanaged and the total lack of CS in all. I got mine to shoot very well but it took a lot of tinkering and correcting flaws that should´ve been corrected at the Factory level before the gun/guns ever shipped. That is my only cripe – not the gun itself as such.
Look, I don’t want to have to say this again. I coined the phrase and it’s my way or the highway. It’s an Edgun and Ed is the Edgod of the Edclub members. There is no Club Ed. It’s not a vacation. It’s the Edclub. Say it… Ed-club or Edclub. Once again, Edclub.
OK, not that we have that straightened out, don’t let it happen again. :biggrinn:
:whistle:
It is what it is, situation got out of hand. I hope what we can do is to band together and demand better service, better parts availability, and better email support from his distributor!!!!
If Tony can’t do this, get him out, I can replace him. I know I can’t do worst than the current situation. Bottom line is Ed needs to up the ante and improve his game.
Ed, if you need a new distributor for your Edguns, email me. How much $ do you need to start ? I am all in.
John
West coast Distributor :dito: :dito: :dito: :dito: :dito:
“Club Ed”?
“Here at Club Ed we provide our unique form of customer service”
I can imagine the jokes…lol :whistle:
Look, I don’t want to have to say this again. I coined the phrase and it’s my way or the highway. It’s an Edgun and Ed is the Edgod of the Edclub members. There is no Club Ed. It’s not a vacation. It’s the Edclub. Say it… Ed-club or Edclub. Once again, Edclub.
OK, not that we have that straightened out, don’t let it happen again. :biggrinn:
:rofl:
Hi MG,
“EdGod the creator of FrankEdStein and protector of the EdClub” :rofl:
You start to sound better than our Dearest Uncle Hoot :hoot: , which I hope his disease is getting better đ
ATB
Hi Ville,
sorry, I have to give you credit, I forgot about you, you are saying the truth already since a long time now and you have been coherent with your thoughts :D.
Just to make every thing clear, my posts are not about to make people avoid to buy Edguns and even not against Edguns but about the wrong commercial pratices that stand behind them and that people like MG has also pointed out.
IMHO I think that today Edguns are doping the BP market and even the Crickets, that are also really fine rifles, would sell for less if the BP market price would not be messed up by the Edguns.
ATB to everybody and enjoy your weekend. đ
Look, I don’t want to have to say this again. I coined the phrase and it’s my way or the highway. It’s an Edgun and Ed is the Edgod of the Edclub members. There is no Club Ed. It’s not a vacation. It’s the Edclub. Say it… Ed-club or Edclub. Once again, Edclub.
OK, not that we have that straightened out, don’t let it happen again. :biggrinn:
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Customer service starts at the top, another distributor may answer more questions (before he runs out of patience) but it still won’t fix indexing issues unless the factory is on board. đ
On top of that Tony gets what, 100 guns a year? So one distributor gets 50 and Tony gets the other 50? If Ed could send more guns he would, the production isn’t there and if the last batch was a sign, the production line is stretched too thin already.
Another distributor isn’t going to fix ANYTHING. :nono: