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Gun Expo Tradgedy, Accidental Death.

Father takes 8 year old son/s to a Machine gun Expo/Fun Shoot. Father let’s 8 year old son, Shoot a fully Automatic Uzi Sub machine gun. The boy shoots at a pumpkin and looses control of the Uzi and shoots himself in the head. The Uzi flips up all the way over to shoot backwards.

Now the local sheriff and the 2 Expo sponsors are being charged with manslaughter. No negligence charge against the Father. Who’s at fault here, would you let your 8 year old son shoot a full Auto handgun? Most adults can’t control a Full Automatic handgun! This is a tragedy, and shooter lacked proper training. Who’s responsible for a minor, and or his/her personal safety/gun safety? Wonder if they posted “Enter at Your Own Risk”?

Being a minor and not being responsible for his actions, why shouldn’t it fall to the parents/guardian? I think the shooter should be responsible, but being a minor, what do you think?

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Sam ๐Ÿ™

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some people I worked with , without a doubht in my mind, would have died to protect me , and I for them. Some of the guys I worked with were heros .

so excuse the fuck out me if I get pissed at his demeanor.

who the hell are you, that you can judge me??

Do you think a punk like RS would do that for you? for anyone? “”maybe if you earned it””lol fucking turd.

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HO appears to have the gang mentality going where when one of his own breaks the law he is still one of his own. Police protecting criminals…

Hey synopsissy, FUCK YOU! Did you even fucking read what I said?? or are you talking out of your fucking ass like RS??

WTF!! go read what I said !!!!!.

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Or is HO saying that all cops are good regardless of what they do?

WRONG!!!! I said what I said, dickhead now go back and read it instead of putting words in mouth.you nitwit.

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Any “officer” who would put a 15yo in charge of a range is not representing the law nor looking out for the safety of others and will be held responsible for his negligent actions. He is by his actions a criminal and therefore shouldn’t be treated with the respect of a badged officer right?

RIGHT! DID I SAY ANYTHING DIFFERENT MORON? can you fucking read?

what the fuck is wrong with you ? you cant read so you make shit up!!!???

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Is RS bagging on good officers? Not from what I can see…

well you dont see much , go back and look at his all his posts regarding the police and you will find he bad mouthed them constantly and he will freely admit it assclown ! his demeanor toward the police as a whole is disgusting !. . He is fucking disgusting ,and so are you for defending this little punk.fuck him and fuck you . You got a lot of fucking balls

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Once an officer isn’t representing the law or acting accordingly he is a much larger problem than a criminal, a criminal is just that, a cop being a criminal is unacceptable, they are supposed to be the opposite, they have SWORN to be the opposite.

IMO it’s a far worse crime when a representative of the law misuses that authority to their own gain, compared to a civilian breaking the law.

100% agree, too fucking bad you didnt read my posts first instead of jumping to conclusions .

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So HO, do you think bad cops and criminal cops should be respected like real officers?

Tell me your fucking jokeing! are you fucking for real or what?? where the fuck are you getting your information from?? It aint my posts cause you didnt read em.

absolutely 100% , and they should face stiffer penaltys for betraying thier public post. I 100 % agree with you .I honestly cant even imagine how in the fuck you even came to that conclusion I stated that on page 1 moron.

As for RS , he doesnt warrant my responses anymore.I dont care what he posts anymore . Hes spoiled a piece of shit I know whats he about .

when an asshole like that insults thousands and thousands of officers across the nation , because of some bad officers ,what can I say?? hes just a moron. why the fuck should I shut my mouth??why?

fuck that . he opened the can let him eat it

Oh he will lie right to your face and said he meant only the bad ones , until you read all his posts , he s a fucking jerk off , and so are you for protecting that fuck up.

I think once an officer breaks a law or misuses his authority he is in RS’s eyes a piggy, shit bag, etc. Which is understandable.

RS is disrespecting criminals, not the police.

HO appears to have the gang mentality going where when one of his own breaks the law he is still one of his own. Police protecting criminals… ๐Ÿ˜• Once an officer breaks a law he is a criminal not an officer right? HO protecting criminals?

RS is calling the criminals and shitty cops bad names, which they deserve. A bad cop doesn’t deserve to be treated like a good cop right?

Or is HO saying that all cops are good regardless of what they do?

Once an officer isn’t representing the law or acting accordingly he is a much larger problem than a criminal, a criminal is just that, a cop being a criminal is unacceptable, they are supposed to be the opposite, they have SWORN to be the opposite.

IMO it’s a far worse crime when a representative of the law misuses that authority to their own gain, compared to a civilian breaking the law.

Your typical criminal is a POS and has not sworn to uphold the law and serve the people.

Any “officer” who would put a 15yo in charge of a range is not representing the law nor looking out for the safety of others and will be held responsible for his negligent actions. He is by his actions a criminal and therefore shouldn’t be treated with the respect of a badged officer right?

Is RS bagging on good officers? Not from what I can see…

So HO, do you think bad cops and criminal cops should be respected like real officers? ๐Ÿ˜•

quote rob3dr:

“Appalachian-American”

LMAO!

Pabs I think Hold Over should adopt the Doughnutmuncher JPig as his personal Avatar here ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜†

kinda looks like he sounds sometimes ๐Ÿ˜‰
of course this may be far more to his fantasy self image:

of course with Hold Over it’s probably mostly about that sexy ass Cod Piece! ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜†

quote Hold over:

sorry Rob, got a little angry there . ๐Ÿ˜ณ

haha… no worries! Just busting your chops on that one!

I know that I am a redneck, backwoods, hillbilly, hick…. I prefer the term “Appalachian-American” ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜Ž

Pussies

sorry Rob, got a little angry there . ๐Ÿ˜ณ

You need to forgive Hold Over…

Being from the land of Giuliani and Blomberg he tends to regard even Los Angles is being somewhat rural ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„

quote Hold over:

hillbilly
quote Hold over:

hicksville USA
quote Hold over:

backwoodsman……. not some redneck in a pickup truck

Hey wait a minute!!!! I resemble these remarks!!
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yeppers can agree with all of that post Hold Over
I went to KCR basically to purchase, never to shoot…much less watch others shoot
not my gig
that said there used to be incredible bargains in ammo and parts sets among other things
could usually invest 5K and clear 12K or greater within a couple months from my resales

Never was a voyeur and sure as shit never got a woody standing on a line with a bunch of other assholes blazing away at old car bodies and the like.
I wont even hunt in a party

just so we are clear

now here’s a better article regarding this shooting, story has evolved and changed since its first days…its even worse now as it turns out the “Range Officer” was a fucking 15 year old kid!

SPRINGFIELD โ€“ The Uzi machine gun jammed twice and was inspected by a 15-year-old before 8-year-old Christopher K. Bizilj attempted to fire it a third time and was met with a lethal recoil during a gun exposition in Westfield a year ago. These and other details were revealed in a $4 million lawsuit filed by the dead boyโ€™s family on Nov. 6 in U.S. District Court in Springfield. The child accidentally shot himself in the head at the โ€œGreat New England Pumpkin Shootโ€ last October. The incident drew national attention, sparked widespread calls for gun reform and drew manslaughter charges against organizers of the annual expo โ€“ touted as an event for all ages where comers could fire exotic assault weapons without the permitting constraints.
Christopher K. BiziljThe details in the court documents show the gun apparently went off when the boy was attempting to keep it from falling after the stock of the weapon slipped down from his shoulder. His father, Dr. Charles D. Bizilj, who brought Christopher and his 11-year-old brother Colin, to the show, had been ordered to remain away from the firing line behind restraining ropes, according to the suit. The 32-page lawsuit alleges wrongful death and multiple layers of negligence against the Westfield Sportsmanโ€™s Club, which hosted the event, former Pelham Police Chief Edward Fleury, who organized the annual show, and two Connecticut men who owned or furnished the weapons at the show. Fleury, who resigned after the boy was killed, also faces criminal charges in Hampden Superior Court, along with Domenico J. Spano, of New Milford, Conn., and Carl Guiffre, of Hartford. They have pleaded innocent to charges of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the shooting. According to the lawsuit filed by Suzanne M. and Charles D. Bizilj, the Micro Uzi 9mm automatic was owned by Giuffre and provided at the exposition by Spano. Lawyers for the three men and the club declined to comment, saying they had not yet seen the complaint. An attorney for the Biziljs, Bruce S. Melikian, said neither he nor the family would comment. No licenses were required for sponsors or participants to sell ammunition or provide use of the weapons to patrons, the Biziljsโ€™ lawsuit states. Firearms had historically been offered for use to minors at the show, in violation of state law. Charles Bizilj, a physician from Ashford, Conn., brought Christopher and his 11-year-old brother, Colin, to the two-day show on Oct. 26, 2008. โ€œThe Plaintiff … purchased the opportunity for his son, the decedent, Christopher K. Bizilj, age 8, to fire A Micro Uzi 9mm automatic weapon,โ€ the complaint states. The lawsuit also outlines the final moments of the boyโ€™s life. Spano set the boy up at a firing line, where Spanoโ€™s 15-year-old-son acted as โ€œline officer,โ€ the complaint states. The teen loaded the weapon and handed it to Christopher Bizijl, providing instructions for handling it. โ€œCharles Bizilj was ordered to stay clear of the area and was required to stand behind restraining ropes,โ€ the lawsuit says. โ€œThe 15-year-old โ€˜line officerโ€™ … backed away from the decedent after handing the child a loaded, fully automatic weapon.โ€ The gun stuck twice when Christopher Bizilj attempted to fire it, the complaint says. The teen went back to clear a jammed round of ammunition. The boy put his finger on the trigger a third time. โ€œWithout further instruction or guidance from the line officer, the decedent placed his fingers on the trigger mechanism of the weapon and attempted to raise the Micro Uzi to his shoulder. The stock of the weapon slipped down from the decedentโ€™s shoulder and the barrel of same spun upward. The decedent attempted to prevent the weapon from falling, and in doing so, the gun spun upward,โ€ according to the complaint. The lawsuit alleges negligent entrustment, maintenance, training, wrongful death and infliction of emotional distress against all three men and corporations under their control. A trial had been set on the criminal charges in Hampden Superior Court for Dec. 7, but the trial was delayed and a status conference is scheduled for Dec. 8.

you know what? You wasted a lot of fucking space just to prove what a real asshole you really are , and you did a good job too .

And since I cant grab you by the fucking throat and bounce your empty head off a brick wall , Im going to call it quits with this stupidity .

you win! your the bigger asshole, congratulations , although Im sure its not your first big asshole award .

enjoy it. because Im done with you.

No I dont live under a rock and I dont belong to your cult , You make it sound like it was a televised football game. my experience with automatic weapons was from uncle Sam I never had a need to pay someone for it. As a matter of fact I carried those weapons for so fucking long I couldnt wait to get rid them . and I absolutely hated carrying my side arm I had more fucking bruises getting in and out of cars than I care to think about. and I had to carry it off duty too . fucking pain in the ass.literally

Man you certainly must live under a rock if you are unfamiliar with KCR

Do a little Google on the event, been going on for years and brings in thousands of folks

This isn’t some chickenshit for profit pure rental gig ran by some small town porker, people travel from across the planet to attend KCR.

and where did I condemn KCR or the SAR show in Phoenix?
these are well run, mostly competitive and historical events.

I do condemn the pure rental “Expos” of the type Pig Fleurry was running
they do nothing but potentially harm the lawful use of NFA arms

anyways you are obviously clueless ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„

btw…
a good share of the cats on the firing line at the big Class II events were career military, many with honest combat backgrounds
not some second rate kitchen nosepicker that you apparently were during your service ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜†

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