Jerry’s slugs
Hi all,
I got Jerry’s slugs last week and could not wait to try them. They made my 43’s look like babies. Today I shot the 6 ring slugs at a 1 and a half inch board at 24 yards, and it went through and hit the concrete block behind and mushroomed to 3/4 of an inch. I’m not sure about anyone else, but it seemed that my condor sounded a lot quieter. Maybe because of the size of the slug. The 43’s hit hard a make a huge impact when they hit. I have not used a chrony yet and I’m curious to see the velocity. They did shoot bullseye every shot at 24 yards. If anyone has any info on there chrony and experience please do tell.
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Thanks guys. If I ever get an itch for making other slugs, I’m calling you! You’re in for 1500 slugs each, right? 😆
Really, the 43gr Eun Jins are only 19gr lighter than the 6 rings and are probably great as a heavy slug for guns that are not tuned up. We are just a little niche supplier for the heavy end of the scale, we couldn’t support a huge increase in volume and we sure couldn’t compete price wise with offshore, factory produced pellets a few grains lighter.
In fact, you might have noticed that we dropped the 8 ring slugs way back when. They shot great, just didn’t have enough demand and thus didn’t make it into the production mold.
I would buy anything that fell in all of these categories:
Condor
25 caliber
24 inch barrel
800 to 950 fps (more or less)
Quarter size accuracy at 50 yds
95 gram hammer
(nothing else modded)
I would buy some 4 or 5 ring slugs Jerry. You never know they might be popular due to the fact that more could use them in theory. I mean not every body has a built gun to shoot your famous 6,7, and 9 rings. That being said I know you have to sell a good amount to make it worth your while.
Gunner,
Yeah, we considered a lot of factors including test results and profit margins! Making molds is not simple or cheap work and when we started this project nobody wanted a slug 5gr heavier than a Eun Jin, they wanted one a LOT heavier! That doesn’t mean that a 49gr slug wouldn’t be perfect (for some or a lot) but we just don’t have the resources to be that precise.
Please don’t think I’m being dismissive. It’s just that every slug has to pass the test and stand on it’s own. Every slug is also a pain and costly to make. The mold for a slug costs hundreds of dollars and I get them at a discount! Really, it’s not BS, a 4 ring slug that’s based on the current slugs may not work worth a crap but it would still be huge work to cut the mold. The 4 ring might also turn out great but I decided not to pay for the mold based on the potential for tossing money on a heap and more importantly, my guess that 99% of folks would but 43gr Eun Jins that work OK vs. 49gr Surefires that work a bit better at twice the cost!
I’m sure I could be wrong (ya think?) but when I have to toss the bucks out for the molds… well, my mistakes are the ones that last!
That said, I have a guy that will make a 4 ring and/or a 5 ring mold for a small fee… It will take several thousand slugs to hit the breack even point but I’m willing to share the risk! Who’s in?
Oh, the slugs have to perform when tested by guys most of you know here. Otherwise, the mold sits in the box like the .22 mold…
Sorry for the long post for a simple point but it boils down to making something requires a risk investment and the payoff needs to be greater than the marginal risk…(yeah, I just remembered that shit from a business class, funny isn’t it! 😆 ).
Jerry – have you considered some 4 or 5 ring to bridge the gap from the 43.2 EunJuns up to the 6 ring ?
This link has all the info on the slugs:
http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3929
What are the sizes available on the .25 Surefires?
Jerry,
Your analysis could very well be correct. The slug may have embedded itself in that hog’s skull rather than glanced off. What I saw through the scope on the hog’s forehead, about an inch obove and between its eyes , was a red circle where there was no hair left. It was obvious to me that this was the impact wound…..it wasn’t there before I pulled the trigger, and I had watched him through the scope for several minutes as he fed, waiting for him to face me so I could get the brain shot. I called it a “welt” because I assumed that the slug did not penetrate simply because the pig was still standing. I figured that if the slug did penetrate his skull, he’d be instantly dead, but he obviously wasn’t, so I concluded that it glanced off. That could be an incorrect conclusion on my part. At first he looked a little wobbly when he came out of the swamp, but then he recovered and ran into this dark tangle of hau trees that looked like the opening of a cave. I sure as hell was not going to go in there after him by myself. I only had a machete and the Talon SS and didn’t want to face a potentially very pissed off and alive boar in that jungle undergrowth. In a week when my daughter’s wedding stuff is over, I’ll go back there and investigate. Who knows? Maybe I’ll find a dead boar in there with a hole in its forehead. Believe me, I am not in any way detracting from your slugs….I think they are wonderful, the most lethal thing I have ever shot in an air gun. I just think that at 17″ my .25 barrel is underpowered for this size of animal, and I bet that if I had a 24″ barrel, he’d have gone down instantly with your slugs. Anyway, I’ll be sure to investigate further and let you guys know if I find any evidence down there in the hau jungle. Norgeiron
I’ll certainly leave it to you guys where the best spot to shoot a boar is… But I’m not buying that a full power shot just raised a welt….on anything. Have you seen what happens when these slugs hit solid objects? They expand and then deflect. If the shot was full power and hit at a decent angle, there would have been one bloody mess as the deformed slug ripped into and out of skin deflecting off the skull. No way does a high power shot raise a welt and nothing else.
This shot is from a gun with a barrel just a bit shorter than the minimum I recommend. Still, something is wrong here.
I’m not accusing anyone of lying, I’m saying that what was unnoticed was very important. Either the shot was low on power or the hit was not as direct as it appeared.
I’m also open to the idea that a glancing shot did not exit. The slug might have entered the skin, deflected off the skull at an oblique angle and remained under the skin. That would leave just a small entry hole and maybe little bleeding…
Be careful with forehead shots. They have a slanted forehead which makes for easy deflection. They also have a small brain. A good shot is the neck shot. Bout halfway between the ear and shoulder. Or if you can get a quartering away lung/heart shot. But I think the best all around shot is the neck shot. Large kill zone(5″ maybe) and instant death.
great….
Lot’s of weights between 80some and 180 gr!
That sounds good. I see plenty of guys getting 1.5 MOA groups at 100 yards with the Lee casts in various diameters. We will have to see how they do in the unchoked LW barrels.
What weights are you casting for .308?
tbln,
The .308s we make are from Lee molds. These are not custom designs but slugs anyone can cast. We make them in soft lead and size them to order but they have no other design advantage. I’d like to offer a custom design but we just don’t have one available right now.
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1500 – I haven’t shot 1500 of anything in my life time – not that many pest around – and I’m so good I don’t practice :4:
I see what you mean. I’ll just throttle up the 43.2 gr.