LOTHAR WALTHER TO OFFER A 9MM BARREL !!! GOOD NEWS!!
I noticed a new entry on the Lothar Walther site.
They will be offering 9MM airgun barrels!!!
READ THE FOLLOWING BACKWARDS these are Emails going back and forth:
Woody:
Thanks for the quick response!!!
How do I get signed up for one of these barrels?
I can announce your intension to offer 9MM airgun barrels on the airgun forums.
The bullet I use has been 105 grain, conical, flat nose.
It is about .5 inch long and hand cast from a lee mold — soft lead.
I can get 1050 FPS (250 foot pounds energy) using this bullet.
The gun / bullet combination is very inaccurate (4 inch groups @ 50 yards).
I am using an Addams & Bennett, $79 , 1 in 15 inch, barrel, 26 inch long –>junk!
I cut the barrel OD from 1.25 inch to .75 inch, as a result there are tight and loose areas in the bore.
I just tested with a 125 grain, conical, flat nose bullet. Lee mold #90238
It is .6 inches long and 135 grains, as cast.
I get 1000 FPS, for 300 foot pounds energy.
This is the bullet I intend to use, as it produces more energy.
As of yet, I have not done accuracy testing, with this bullet.
With airguns, increased barrel length equals more power.
28 inches is better than the 26 I am using now.
$125 sounds good by me!
Again: How soon can I get one of your barrels?
Thanks!!!
Mark
From: Woody lotharwalther@mindspring.com
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:09 PM
To: mark
Subject: Re: Message from the US-Webcontact-Form
Mark,
We are setting up production now on 9mm airgun barrels. They should be ready for ordering about late october.
The OD will beprobably 0.700-0.750″ Length is to be 28″.
Twist will be 18-or 20″. (650fps) However, at the velocity you are getting 16″ would be better.
For a single one, you are looking at $125 give or take some. Possibly less depending on quantity.
After these start production, they will be a stock item here.
What sort of projectile do you use. This may affect the design of the barrel.
Sincerely,
Woody
—– Original Message —–
From: marK
To: lotharwalther@mindspring.com
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:19 PM
Subject: Message from the US-Webcontact-Form
Message \\\”Other Calibers
Beyond the common calibers for airgun, LOTHAR WALTHER is able to offer you all other calibers for new airgun projects as for example .308, 9mm etc.
Please call us at 770-889-9998 or send us an email.\\\”
I BUILD CUSTOM HIGH POWERED AIR RIFLES.
I AM LOOKING FOR A 9M OR .357 BARREL BLANK.
CM OR SS.
IT MUST BE LONG, 28 TO 32 INCHES.
1 IN 20 RIFLING (OR YOUR RECOMENDATION)
IT WILL SHOOT A 135 GRAIN BULLET @ 1000+ FPS.
STRAIGHT OUTER DIAMETER BETWEEN .625 AND .750 INCH.
CAN YOU BUILD SUCH A BARREL?
HOW MUCH $$??
THANKS
MARK
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The barrels I am selling will out shoot the DAQ barrels with no problem. The rifling geometry isn’t even close to the original, maybe now Denis can start producing a more accurate rifle.
Cool,
How soon before you can put up some comparative groups?
Wok, have you ever been accused of having mulitple personalities? 😉
Nope,
But if someone makes a claim I like to see some evidence. Everybody loves a more accurate barrel.
The barrels I am selling will out shoot the DAQ barrels with no problem. The rifling geometry isn’t even close to the original, maybe now Denis can start producing a more accurate rifle.
Cool,
How soon before you can put up some comparative groups?
Wok, have you ever been accused of having mulitple personalities? 😉
The barrels I am selling will out shoot the DAQ barrels with no problem. The rifling geometry isn’t even close to the original, maybe now Denis can start producing a more accurate rifle.
Cool,
How soon before you can put up some comparative groups?
I’ll be doing my conversion this next week then ill post some pics of the targets and some numbers. Iwill be using the Blodnob big bore valve for the 308, and the high flow with the arrow conversion, getting ready for hog hunting for next month, got the 308 AF a 50 action express ar-15 I built, also an arrow conversion I got from tagdagger man that thing is dead on great job I want to try out on some pigs at a ranch south of San Antonio TX.
The barrels I am selling will out shoot the DAQ barrels with no problem. The rifling geometry isn’t even close to the original, maybe now Denis can start producing a more accurate rifle.
Cool,
How soon before you can put up some comparative groups?
I really get a kick out of a lot of you guys giving me hell on what I did, especially since three are other people on this forum doing the same thing on AF parts. If I had a gun drill and the knowledge to produce my own 308 barrels I would of went that route but I don’t so I went the only route I could take.
The barrels I am selling will out shoot the DAQ barrels with no problem. The rifling geometry isn’t even close to the original, maybe now Denis can start producing a more accurate rifle.
Havent I seen similar butt designs on our forum in the past? They were just one offs though and they made them for themselves and not for sale.
Yes they looked exactly like the WOK butt.
If someone has no copy right license for it, then he can copy it and sell it. If the other party has copy right license for it then he can take the other party to court, as long as his design is exactly the same as the one with the license. In this case of the WOK butt if the holes are bigger or smaller or the aluminium is steal instead , then you cannot touch him.
After all a WOK butt is 2 pieces of metal with wholes and a spacer and one piece is little bent.. Same with the barrel. It s just a piece of tube with groves in it. If they are are not identical in every way and if the one has not copy right license, then the one cannot do anything legal to the other. It is as simple as that.
Legality has nothing to do with it. This is a small community and word gets around.
I designed the Wokbutt to be simple. I have several far more complicated designs but what would be the point if no one could afford them.
There was a fellow who borrowed some of my ideas from the Strap on model but they did not sell well for him and after he got called out on stealing my idea he stopped making them and advertising them.
My designs are simple by design and I am the first one to come up with them and make them. I can not stop someone from stealing my designs but what I can do is try to keep my prices fair and come up with ideas for things that are needed.
In fact it is rather embarrassing that someone would need to copy my simple designs instead of coming up with their own.
My shoulder piece has been sold all over the world and I have seen some of our south american and european brothers have made them for themselves which is fine by me if they want to make one for their own guns. But one good thing is the name “Wokbutt” is synonymous with the style and design and will be forever 😀
I have seen people sell actual “Wokbutts” on EBAY that I have made. Those are the only ones I have seen for sale there.
But maybe Xambis our visitor from Czech Republic has seen otherwise.
Yes they looked exactly like the WOK butt.
If someone has no copy right license for it, then he can copy it and sell it. If the other party has copy right license for it then he can take the other party to court, as long as his design is exactly the same as the one with the license. In this case of the WOK butt if the holes are bigger or smaller or the aluminium is steal instead , then you cannot touch him.
After all a WOK butt is 2 pieces of metal with wholes and a spacer and one piece is little bent.. Same with the barrel. It s just a piece of tube with groves in it. If they are are not identical in every way and if the one has not copy right license, then the one cannot do anything legal to the other. It is as simple as that.
Maybe Brad could step in here…
When barrel makers did things for themselves they would develop the whole process to suit their pet ideas about shooting and accuracy. They would develop a pet way of doing things and would flip in their graves if they knew what was going on here. I had a barrel made for a BPCR and when I picked it up the old fellow was most suspiscious with respect to what I wanted to see. Once he had determined to his satisfaction I was okay he took me back. To my delight he overloaded my guncrank senses with the whole deal.
Now there is no way in hell some guy would get a barrel from me to show and tell. I hold him in much too high regard. BTW he makes winning barrels for the BPCR game and was a Canadian champ of the Silhouette comps.
Walter….
That is what I figured was the case Critter. Being ill informed may cause ignorance. I did not want to come across as to jump down your throat, but now you understand.
YF
ATP
so..they looked like a wok butt?
Actually I will be introducing the “Spartan Wokbutt” for the those on a budget.
Stay posted 😀
I cannot remember what they are called now but i did see them on ebay, selling for $20 plus delivery , so you are a little too late for that. hahahahaha
well dumbass your about 1/3 right the only one I could find sold for $55 and was shipped free..but you did get the ebay part right..
http://cgi.ebay.com/Airforce-Rifle-Talon-Butt-Plate-Sniper-Scope-Air-Rifle_W0QQitemZ300338622278QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item45ed93af46&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
those are different. the others were 100% copied made of checkerplate ally
I cannot remember what they are called now but i did see them on ebay, selling for $20 plus delivery , so you are a little too late for that. hahahahaha
well dumbass your about 1/3 right the only one I could find sold for $55 and was shipped free..but you did get the ebay part right..
http://cgi.ebay.com/Airforce-Rifle-Talon-Butt-Plate-Sniper-Scope-Air-Rifle_W0QQitemZ300338622278QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item45ed93af46&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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But if someone makes a claim I like to see some evidence. Everybody loves a more accurate barrel.
If what you seek is cold hard science, you will not find it here. Everything you will get is biased or strewed. 😆