Q:

Making the .25 Edgun quiet, easily and inexpensively…

The key to the Edgun .25 making less noise is reducing the air pressure at the muzzle. There are a few ways to do this without engaging in exotic baffle designs, or spending money on an aftermarket shroud or moderator.

Here’s how it’s done:

The first step is to remove both the baffle cover, which is unscrewed counter clockwise, by hand, then removing the bottom shroud by removing the barrel bushing/vent nut. Then you can easily enlarge the existing vent holes at the rear of the Edgun shroud with a variable speed hand drill. I made my lower shroud vent holes 2.0mm in diameter:

You can go larger if you wish. If you go too large and begin to hear air “whoosh” out of the vent holes when firing, just wrap some felt around the inside of the shroud, behind the vent holes, to slow the air down. You can touch them up with the tip of a permanent ink black felt tip Sharpie. This is how they look when done, but before the Sharpie touchup:

The next step is to increase the air flow from the front of the Edgun to the rear of the shroud. Now on the R3 this is a bit more complicated because the shroud comes in two parts, so I will concentrate on the R3. Unscrew the top shroud, baffle cover, taking care to remove it easily because the O-ring can be damaged on the threads. Be sure to put silicone grease that O-ring before putting it back on. Note the bottom shroud, and barrel, are held in place by a 19mm nut with vent holes in it. It unscrews easily, counter-clockwise, with a common metric wrench:

After it is taken off, you then enlarge the holes in the nut with a variable speed drill. I went 2.5mm, you may choose to go smaller, but not much larger, as the hole diameter affects the strength of the nut.

After this is done, you simply replace the bottom shroud, then the barrel bushing, being certain that the bottom of the shroud is properly placed OVER the rim of the permanent cone shaped breech attachment. If you ignore this step, you will bend the bottom of the shroud when you tighten the nut…note the bottom of the shroud sitting flush against the cone shaped breech attachment in this picture. The hidden rim inside the shroud is about 1/8″ or so tall, but it must have the shroud placed evenly over it before tightening the nut. When you lift up and remove the bottom shroud, you will easily spot it, as the cone shaped breech attachment remains in place:

Finally, there has been much discussion regarding how much torque must be used to tighten the nut that holds the barrel and bottom shroud in place. This is not a difficult process. First you obtain a Russian Torque Wrench…see below picture:

Placing the 19mm wrench in this handy grasping tool, you tighten the nut to where it is snug against the shroud, then you go roughly 1/2 turn further. That’s all it takes. Remember, this is thin and fairly soft aluminum and will strip threads or bend rather easily. AND…if you have placed the bottom of the barrel shroud over the lip of the cone shaped breech attachment, you will not have bent, or dented, the bottom of the shroud.

Replacing the top shroud (baffle cover) is easily done, just be careful sliding the cover over the O-ring using a light downward pressure and clockwise screwing motion until it gets past the threads on the cover. Snug it up hand tight, no more.

That’s it! You can expect at least a 50% reduction in muzzle blast, which on the Long Edgun makes the hammer slap the loudest noise emitted when shooting the gun. It costs nothing, takes about 1/2 hour, a couple of metric bits, and a variable speed hand drill. Take your time. The existing holes will guide the bit if you proceed slowly, especially when starting the new hole.

Now, for that hammer slap…I’m still working on that one.

Regards,

Kindly ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 t

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quote Hoot:

quote Kekoa:

Just a point and question. Would or could this fall into the category of ‘silencer’ and be illegal to own? Being removable (and thus usable on another firearm) and made to suppress the report from an airgun (or thus any other gun) could put us in the area of interest by the BATF. Just saying and just checking. I would certainly be interested in acquiring one when the design and testing is done and Neil starts to distribute and sell them, I just don’t want to be on any radar either.

Yes I know it is a fine line and a grey area but I was just curious, what is your guys thoughts on this?

If you weren’t on the NSA “radar” before, you are now! There are certain words that shouldn’t be in the same paragraph together. That triggers bells in the wrong places and people get nosy.

Neil deliberately designs his moderators not to work in firearms. They simply blow apart. Therefore, they are unusable at those pressures 🙄

Airguns are ok for “moderators” and “shrouds”.

The courts have spoken. Go to the “Shrouds and Moderators” section and read yourself blind on the locked posts at the top of the section regarding this very matter.

Ok so a baffle is a baffle is a baffle I get it. As long as for airgun is good and I am good with that…

quote Sir Ville:

Is it the same in all states? I´ve always been under the impression that US have overly liberal gun laws so anything goes. Need a gun? Go buy one. A machine gun? Go ahead and get one. A flamethrower? What are you waiting for?? 😯 I know better know …

In the U.S. of A, we are required to fill out proper paperwork when purchasing a fully automatic firearm, or silencer. After approval by the local chief law enforcement official, you then must pay a $200 Federal Transfer Tax Stamp to register the device. Note the device is registered, not the owner. So when you sell it, the paperwork, and permission to own, must be re-done by the person trying to purchase it. Lots of people own them. They are quite expensive because any made prior to 1985 are not allowed. So the number available (in the tens of thousands) are getting quite expensive, and generally owned for their collector’s value, or as an investment. It’s all about supply and demand.

Flame throwers are not restricted in the U.S., except for the state of California, where ownership is a misdemeanor and punishable by a fine, and possibly some jail time. They are available on the internet and Ebay. If you want one, you can purchase one, or order one. The normal use for a flame thrower is to remove brush and grass from large areas. They can be used for concealed carry, but are, by nature, difficult to keep out of sight. Besides, who wants to carry ten gallons of pressurized jellied gasoline around on a dinner date???

Moreover, at $3.50 per U.S. gallon of gasoline, plus the gelatin, the device is considered cost prohibitive to sports flame throwing clubs. AND…finding a dive shop, or air soft shop, to fill the pressure container is almost impossible. Most flame throwers now are filled with less expensive propane or butane gas. Not as long a range as jellied gasoline, but fully compatible with barbecuing hamburgers, and hot dogs, after a fun-filled day at the local flame throwing range.

Personally, I’d like to own an original Maxim machine gun, or the improved Vickers…there’s just something about the popular caliber .303, belt-fed, crew manned, tripod supported, water cooled, weapon, that has always struck my fancy. And, unlike the ammunition greedy models of today, those older models had a more modest rate of fire, 500 rounds per minute, which was still quite effective for the odd mass slaughter. If one thinks about it…thirty seven million battlefield casualties in WW1 can’t be wrong!

However, never to be outdone…the human race now has enriched weapons that can effect the same number of casualties in a nanosecond, that took the Maxim five years to achieve. When does it ever end?

Kindest regards,

Saintly ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 t

quote Kekoa:

Just a point and question. Would or could this fall into the category of ‘silencer’ and be illegal to own? Being removable (and thus usable on another firearm) and made to suppress the report from an airgun (or thus any other gun) could put us in the area of interest by the BATF. Just saying and just checking. I would certainly be interested in acquiring one when the design and testing is done and Neil starts to distribute and sell them, I just don’t want to be on any radar either.

Yes I know it is a fine line and a grey area but I was just curious, what is your guys thoughts on this?

If you weren’t on the NSA “radar” before, you are now! There are certain words that shouldn’t be in the same paragraph together. That triggers bells in the wrong places and people get nosy.

Neil deliberately designs his moderators not to work in firearms. They simply blow apart. Therefore, they are unusable at those pressures 🙄

Airguns are ok for “moderators” and “shrouds”.

The courts have spoken. Go to the “Shrouds and Moderators” section and read yourself blind on the locked posts at the top of the section regarding this very matter.

Is it the same in all states? I´ve always been under the impression that US have overly liberal gun laws so anything goes. Need a gun? Go buy one. A machine gun? Go ahead and get one. A flamethrower? What are you waiting for?? 😯 I know better know …

lucky man sir ville, could mean some time away here

quote Kekoa:

Just a point and question. Would or could this fall into the category of ‘silencer’ and be illegal to own? Being removable (and thus usable on another firearm) and made to suppress the report from an airgun (or thus any other gun) could put us in the area of interest by the BATF. Just saying and just checking. I would certainly be interested in acquiring one when the design and testing is done and Neil starts to distribute and sell them, I just don’t want to be on any radar either.

Yes I know it is a fine line and a grey area but I was just curious, what is your guys thoughts on this?

Don´t know. Don´t care. The US laws can´t touch me and my suppressed airguns nor my suppressed rifles of any kind! :mrgreen:

quote Dr.KrillE:

Oh wise one, Hoot.
What’s up with you and your politicians? Clinton had his cocksucker, Lewinsky and Obama has a guy that blows his whistle, Snowden…. What’s next? A cuntlicker if you get a female pres?

Sent from GT-I9505 with Tapatalk & a beer in my hand…

Don´t you dare badmouth Obama in front of Uncle H 😯 😯 T. He voted the guy, marched around Arkansas with that “Yes, we can” banderoll and participated in numerous Democratic rallies. You, Dr. , should show a squash more respect for an old liberallly Democratic man from the mountains.

Just a point and question. Would or could this fall into the category of ‘silencer’ and be illegal to own? Being removable (and thus usable on another firearm) and made to suppress the report from an airgun (or thus any other gun) could put us in the area of interest by the BATF. Just saying and just checking. I would certainly be interested in acquiring one when the design and testing is done and Neil starts to distribute and sell them, I just don’t want to be on any radar either.

Yes I know it is a fine line and a grey area but I was just curious, what is your guys thoughts on this?

Oh wise one, Hoot.
What’s up with you and your politicians? Clinton had his cocksucker, Lewinsky and Obama has a guy that blows his whistle, Snowden…. What’s next? A cuntlicker if you get a female pres?

Sent from GT-I9505 with Tapatalk & a beer in my hand…

quote Demp223:

quote Hoot:

It appears they are identical, as all are the same. That makes sense as the caliber is a none issue for shroud diameter, only the nut threads would change to match the different barrel diameters for the various calibers.

Thank you kindly for the response!

H 😯 😯 t

Negative.Negative.
Barrel OD is same as well as thread diameter around barrels. Only difference is hole diameter for caliber in baffle core on my two Eds. All parts completely interchangeable and useable except 22 baffle on 25 gun as pellet could not pass through smaller hole but it screws right onto barrel.
This is what led me down path to start opening holes on my 25 shroud and baffle to vent off air.

Noted and correct info sent to Neil. That makes things a lot easier for him! The idea of a threaded endcap on his replacement top shroud/baffle moderator would allow us to order an additional, larger “can” if/when we need absolute silence. Things are moving forward nicely.

Sounds good…so if Neil makes a suppressor for the matador all he needs to do is make one size fits all baffles…and then Everybody can just order that specific model. With the other options of whatever material Neil uses to make them look pretty.

quote Hoot:

It appears they are identical, as all are the same. That makes sense as the caliber is a none issue for shroud diameter, only the nut threads would change to match the different barrel diameters for the various calibers.

Thank you kindly for the response!

H 😯 😯 t

Negative.Negative.
Barrel OD is same as well as thread diameter around barrels. Only difference is hole diameter for caliber in baffle core on my two Eds. All parts completely interchangeable and useable except 22 baffle on 25 gun as pellet could not pass through smaller hole but it screws right onto barrel.
This is what led me down path to start opening holes on my 25 shroud and baffle to vent off air.

It appears they are identical, as all are the same. That makes sense as the caliber is a none issue for shroud diameter, only the nut threads would change to match the different barrel diameters for the various calibers.

Thank you kindly for the response!

H 😯 😯 t

Using a cheap Harbor Freight digital caliper my R3 standard .22 cal shroud measures 5.529 inches. The gun is a recent purchase from Tony on July 12, 2013.

Regards, Mike

Mine is measured as 5.52″ by caliper. 0.22 std.

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