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Making the .25 Edgun quiet, easily and inexpensively…

The key to the Edgun .25 making less noise is reducing the air pressure at the muzzle. There are a few ways to do this without engaging in exotic baffle designs, or spending money on an aftermarket shroud or moderator.

Here’s how it’s done:

The first step is to remove both the baffle cover, which is unscrewed counter clockwise, by hand, then removing the bottom shroud by removing the barrel bushing/vent nut. Then you can easily enlarge the existing vent holes at the rear of the Edgun shroud with a variable speed hand drill. I made my lower shroud vent holes 2.0mm in diameter:

You can go larger if you wish. If you go too large and begin to hear air “whoosh” out of the vent holes when firing, just wrap some felt around the inside of the shroud, behind the vent holes, to slow the air down. You can touch them up with the tip of a permanent ink black felt tip Sharpie. This is how they look when done, but before the Sharpie touchup:

The next step is to increase the air flow from the front of the Edgun to the rear of the shroud. Now on the R3 this is a bit more complicated because the shroud comes in two parts, so I will concentrate on the R3. Unscrew the top shroud, baffle cover, taking care to remove it easily because the O-ring can be damaged on the threads. Be sure to put silicone grease that O-ring before putting it back on. Note the bottom shroud, and barrel, are held in place by a 19mm nut with vent holes in it. It unscrews easily, counter-clockwise, with a common metric wrench:

After it is taken off, you then enlarge the holes in the nut with a variable speed drill. I went 2.5mm, you may choose to go smaller, but not much larger, as the hole diameter affects the strength of the nut.

After this is done, you simply replace the bottom shroud, then the barrel bushing, being certain that the bottom of the shroud is properly placed OVER the rim of the permanent cone shaped breech attachment. If you ignore this step, you will bend the bottom of the shroud when you tighten the nut…note the bottom of the shroud sitting flush against the cone shaped breech attachment in this picture. The hidden rim inside the shroud is about 1/8″ or so tall, but it must have the shroud placed evenly over it before tightening the nut. When you lift up and remove the bottom shroud, you will easily spot it, as the cone shaped breech attachment remains in place:

Finally, there has been much discussion regarding how much torque must be used to tighten the nut that holds the barrel and bottom shroud in place. This is not a difficult process. First you obtain a Russian Torque Wrench…see below picture:

Placing the 19mm wrench in this handy grasping tool, you tighten the nut to where it is snug against the shroud, then you go roughly 1/2 turn further. That’s all it takes. Remember, this is thin and fairly soft aluminum and will strip threads or bend rather easily. AND…if you have placed the bottom of the barrel shroud over the lip of the cone shaped breech attachment, you will not have bent, or dented, the bottom of the shroud.

Replacing the top shroud (baffle cover) is easily done, just be careful sliding the cover over the O-ring using a light downward pressure and clockwise screwing motion until it gets past the threads on the cover. Snug it up hand tight, no more.

That’s it! You can expect at least a 50% reduction in muzzle blast, which on the Long Edgun makes the hammer slap the loudest noise emitted when shooting the gun. It costs nothing, takes about 1/2 hour, a couple of metric bits, and a variable speed hand drill. Take your time. The existing holes will guide the bit if you proceed slowly, especially when starting the new hole.

Now, for that hammer slap…I’m still working on that one.

Regards,

Kindly ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 t

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Hoot,

Front shroud of .22 std EDgun R3 measures 5.527 inches or 140.40 mm………..

Just like your ????

Trygve 😀

Thanks for the explanation. I think I get it now.

This is exciting :8:

Carbon fiber would be nice:)

Gabe

quote Urgirlinmyjetta:

If I’m not mistaken…aren’t the barrel nut…baffle and shroud the same size for all matadors no matter that caliber?
Obviously the long would have a longer barrel tube cause of the length, but from the barrel nut forward the same as lets say a .22 standard. ❓

A REQUEST FROM NEIL…

Would the owners of the short and standard Edguns measure their R3 short end shroud that holds the baffles and see if they are 5.5″, as my Long is? Neil needs to know
this so he can decide whether to use an add-on moderator, or a whole shroud replacement. Just a simple post will do. and Thank You for that help!!!

As regards barrel tensioning…Neil is very aware of this and intends to incorporate this tensioning nut into his design. Thus, his moderator can replace the existing spacer, baffles, barrel nut/bushing and short shroud with a single unit that will screw onto the barrel and do the same thing as all the original parts. As for barrel tensioning…the barrel floats, but it is not “stretched”, it simply needs to be held firmly in place against the breech to ensure accuracy. No one has ever found the PSI tension for that nut because I don’t believe it exists in a specific number. Having drilled it out, that nut is very soft aluminum! If you tighten it too much it will strip its threads against the steel LW barrel threads. Hand tight, and 1/2, turn seems to do the job nicely. This would be easy to do with a 1.5″ diameter moderator that extends past the air cylinder, but has a 5.25″ shroud sleeve, with the barrel nut incorporated into the sleeve for barrel tensioning.

All this is still in his planning stages, until he gets my gun next week to see what is and is not possible/practical for him to make and sell at a reasonable price.

More info as it comes it…but first we need to tell Neil if all the short shroud/baffle R3 assemblies are the same length. I suspect they are.

Regards,

H 😯 😯 t

PS: Neil said he is quite certain he can bring the sound down substantially from the OEM setup! This is no reflection on Ed. Ed makes an accurate and reliable pcp, he never claimed it was a dead silent pcp. This is OUR mod to try out. Perhaps Ed might consider a future change…perhaps not.

quote Hoot:

DR. EVIL: I’ve always been concerned about the Baron von Sir Ville’s health. I got online and reviewed his local newspaper, “Den Finn Bender öra och smälta konsumenternas dagliga Guide” My god…it had an article from two years ago where the Baron was gored by a reindeer during the rutting season. Apparently, he got so aroused watching them, he tried to join in, and a buck inflicted “perforating wounds” to his manly parts. (Kind of lends a whole new meaning to the word “Horny”!) It didn’t go into details, but did mention he currently must wear heavy socks, a nose clip, and eye goggles, when consummating his marriage vows. One can only imagine the stress involved!

I’m not certain about Santa living next door to him…however, in a moment of drunken thought, he did indicate he once screwed an “Elf”…he didn’t say if it was male or female, but did indicate he and the Elf had to break off the relationship, because after sex, the Elf would walk ‘funny’ for several days, and the neighbors started vicious rumors!

Kindest regards,

Senile ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 t

Those damned Tabloids!
It wasn´t a Reindeer but rather a randy Moose. He almost hit the manly parts but missed by a couple of inches and thus i have two assholes since. And that “Elf” wasn´t really an Elf but a midget living the next door. He – or she,the jury is still out on that one – got me drunk and abused me in ways that can´t be described in this wholesome and family oriented Forum. I´m not ashamed though since i strongly believe that every man is allowed a few perverted encounters in his life. No pain,no gain they say.
Those neighbors are only jealous thus spreading rumors about it. I suspect they sold the story to that local “Newspaper” . Andt hose heavy socks and that nose clip are a birthday present from my wife so don´t you dare ridicule her willingness to give. Yes – she´s a giver, a fact that the whole neighborhood can verify if needed.

My two Longs parts are all interchangeable. Only issue is I can’t put 22 baffle on 25 barrel and shoot due to smaller hole diameter but 25 works fine on 22 barrel

UGIMJ,

I think you are correct. From the threaded bushing forward, the parts are the same. The only difference may be the baffle holes. They might be dependent on caliber.

Gabe

If I’m not mistaken…aren’t the barrel nut…baffle and shroud the same size for all matadors no matter that caliber?
Obviously the long would have a longer barrel tube cause of the length, but from the barrel nut forward the same as lets say a .22 standard. ❓

Your are the man Hoot!!!

I think it would be great if Neil were able to give us options like replacing the whole mod assembly or just adding a mod extension. Whatever he decides to do, I’m excited to see the results.

I have a NC mod on my cricket and it is of superb quality and very effective. I cannot give him enough credit for the work he did for me.

Thanks guys,

Gabe

quote firecracker:

Hoot,

Keep in mind that the baffle nut is very important, it reinforces the gloating barrel a lot like no others, it influences the harmonics a lot. We need it there, and Ed wants it to be there.

I don’t know where it will be landed in one-piece scenario.

Fire,

I agree with you. This is what I was thinking about when I suggested adding a mod or modifying the existing mod after the threaded bushing. The barrel needs to be tensioned for stability purposes. When Neil gets Hoot’s gun, I’m sure he will figure it out :2:

Gabe

Thanks for all your efforts Hoot that is very good news. I also sent a email to Neil yesterday and he seemed interested in taking on the project. He also said he was waiting for info from a current customer (probably you) and was going to start working on a design as soon as he gathered up all the necessary information so it looks like you have saved the day for all of us. Can’t wait to hear what he comes up with.

Best regards, Mike

Hoot,

Keep in mind that the baffle nut is very important, it reinforces the gloating barrel a lot like no others, it influences the harmonics a lot. We need it there, and Ed wants it to be there.

I don’t know where it will be landed in one-piece scenario.

That’s great news Hoot, thanks for sending your gun to him as a guinea pig. At least you’ll be the first one to have NC R3 shroud.

quote Hoot:

Neil Clague is going to make a one piece, screw-on, full replacement shroud, carbon fiber, or aluminum, whatever you want.

I’m sending him my .25 Edgun Long action to use for the prototype. Out in the mail today. He feels he can get something worked out in a week or two.

This would be nice, no handful of parts, just a one piece removable shroud if you needed to clean or transport your Long Edgun.

I’m sure he will have this available for the Regular Edguns in all calibers as well.

Stay tuned. This could turn out quite well for us.

Neil Clague is going to make a one piece, screw-on, full replacement shroud, carbon fiber, or aluminum, whatever you want.

I’m sending him my .25 Edgun Long action to use for the prototype. Out in the mail today. He feels he can get something worked out in a week or two.

This would be nice, no handful of parts, just a one piece removable shroud if you needed to clean or transport your Long Edgun.

I’m sure he will have this available for the Regular Edguns in all calibers as well.

Stay tuned. This could turn out quite well for us.

FIRECRACKER: This “thead” is getting rather “thready”…although I agree you would probably have enough metal for outside threads. After all, they threaded the inside!

DR. EVIL: I’ve always been concerned about the Baron von Sir Ville’s health. I got online and reviewed his local newspaper, “Den Finn Bender öra och smälta konsumenternas dagliga Guide” My god…it had an article from two years ago where the Baron was gored by a reindeer during the rutting season. Apparently, he got so aroused watching them, he tried to join in, and a buck inflicted “perforating wounds” to his manly parts. (Kind of lends a whole new meaning to the word “Horny”!) It didn’t go into details, but did mention he currently must wear heavy socks, a nose clip, and eye goggles, when consummating his marriage vows. One can only imagine the stress involved!

I’m not certain about Santa living next door to him…however, in a moment of drunken thought, he did indicate he once screwed an “Elf”…he didn’t say if it was male or female, but did indicate he and the Elf had to break off the relationship, because after sex, the Elf would walk ‘funny’ for several days, and the neighbors started vicious rumors!

Kindest regards,

Senile ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 t

quote Hoot:

Update….Neil has been in touch and seems interested. He has checked out this thread and asked if we might be interested in a full replacement shroud, but I’m not certain he has seen the newest R3 barrel attachment system. I replied and explained how it had changed, and may send him my entire Edgun, minus the stock, so he can consider how best to proceed.

There is no doubt Neil can outperform any shroud on the market today, and I would be very interested in a carbon fiber Huggett style replacement shroud, as he makes for the current Crickets. However, Edguns multiple shroud sections, one piece barrel bushing nut/baffle/endcap, and linking part for the upper and lower shroud tubes might make a bit of a difference…but not really, if he can place a tightening nut in the right place in a one piece shroud. That would be quite nice, one piece, screw on and screw off to tighten the barrel and clean the insides. No handfull of parts as with the current system.

This is getting quite interesting. Even if he can’t do a one piece shroud, he seems quite certain he can develop a replacement for the existing top part of the shroud.

More as I receive details….

Incidentally, how about a poll of who would be interested in a full one piece replacement shroud, and who would want a modified top piece replacement moderator? This would give Neil an idea of market volume he has to work with. The more orders the less expensive than a “one off”…

Thanks to all for helping out with this project.

Kindly ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 t

PS: Dr. Evil, I re-read that email from the Baron von Sir Ville. I was mistaken, those nasty Finnish terms were directed at ME, not you! Oh well, I can’t impress everyone. Elvis and Jesus had the same problem!

No,no,NO dear Uncle!
I was indeed referring to Dr. Dread. You got it all wrong – i’d never insult a distinct Gentleman such way. The Doc on the other hand is entirely different matter: An evil being with a lathe deserves nothing but roasting in worst possible way.

Not true. Since you know there is a inside-thread at other end.

The potential issue I can foresee is the alignment, which is defined by how good the stock endcap is, which is used to abutt and reinforce the new extension. Any solutions?

Another potential issue is the length of new thread, is it long enough? I think it is ok.

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