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Making the .25 Edgun quiet, easily and inexpensively…

The key to the Edgun .25 making less noise is reducing the air pressure at the muzzle. There are a few ways to do this without engaging in exotic baffle designs, or spending money on an aftermarket shroud or moderator.

Here’s how it’s done:

The first step is to remove both the baffle cover, which is unscrewed counter clockwise, by hand, then removing the bottom shroud by removing the barrel bushing/vent nut. Then you can easily enlarge the existing vent holes at the rear of the Edgun shroud with a variable speed hand drill. I made my lower shroud vent holes 2.0mm in diameter:

You can go larger if you wish. If you go too large and begin to hear air “whoosh” out of the vent holes when firing, just wrap some felt around the inside of the shroud, behind the vent holes, to slow the air down. You can touch them up with the tip of a permanent ink black felt tip Sharpie. This is how they look when done, but before the Sharpie touchup:

The next step is to increase the air flow from the front of the Edgun to the rear of the shroud. Now on the R3 this is a bit more complicated because the shroud comes in two parts, so I will concentrate on the R3. Unscrew the top shroud, baffle cover, taking care to remove it easily because the O-ring can be damaged on the threads. Be sure to put silicone grease that O-ring before putting it back on. Note the bottom shroud, and barrel, are held in place by a 19mm nut with vent holes in it. It unscrews easily, counter-clockwise, with a common metric wrench:

After it is taken off, you then enlarge the holes in the nut with a variable speed drill. I went 2.5mm, you may choose to go smaller, but not much larger, as the hole diameter affects the strength of the nut.

After this is done, you simply replace the bottom shroud, then the barrel bushing, being certain that the bottom of the shroud is properly placed OVER the rim of the permanent cone shaped breech attachment. If you ignore this step, you will bend the bottom of the shroud when you tighten the nut…note the bottom of the shroud sitting flush against the cone shaped breech attachment in this picture. The hidden rim inside the shroud is about 1/8″ or so tall, but it must have the shroud placed evenly over it before tightening the nut. When you lift up and remove the bottom shroud, you will easily spot it, as the cone shaped breech attachment remains in place:

Finally, there has been much discussion regarding how much torque must be used to tighten the nut that holds the barrel and bottom shroud in place. This is not a difficult process. First you obtain a Russian Torque Wrench…see below picture:

Placing the 19mm wrench in this handy grasping tool, you tighten the nut to where it is snug against the shroud, then you go roughly 1/2 turn further. That’s all it takes. Remember, this is thin and fairly soft aluminum and will strip threads or bend rather easily. AND…if you have placed the bottom of the barrel shroud over the lip of the cone shaped breech attachment, you will not have bent, or dented, the bottom of the shroud.

Replacing the top shroud (baffle cover) is easily done, just be careful sliding the cover over the O-ring using a light downward pressure and clockwise screwing motion until it gets past the threads on the cover. Snug it up hand tight, no more.

That’s it! You can expect at least a 50% reduction in muzzle blast, which on the Long Edgun makes the hammer slap the loudest noise emitted when shooting the gun. It costs nothing, takes about 1/2 hour, a couple of metric bits, and a variable speed hand drill. Take your time. The existing holes will guide the bit if you proceed slowly, especially when starting the new hole.

Now, for that hammer slap…I’m still working on that one.

Regards,

Kindly ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 t

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I think the size is in the 23-25 mm range with a fine thread.

I think Ernest was referring to the size of the barrel thread not the size where the baffle cover screws onto. I googled metric bolt sizes and I could not fine mm bolts with fine thread. I think it is a custom thread size.

Maybe Ed can chime in and enlighten us.

Ernest responded to me with the answer a while back:

Donny, the muzzle end of the barrel is threaded 12 mm X 1.25 mm pitch.

The earlier R2.5 Matadors had the end of the front baffle threaded for an add on silencer that Ed offered. The R3s don’t. I don’t think that there is enough metal on the R3s muzzle end of the baffle to have threads cut and and then have an add on silencer added.

The R3s have a different barrel mounting system. The barrel screws into the front breech block and the baffle then screws down on the front of the barrel, jams against the rear moderator air tube and locks the whole assembly together and then secures the barrel.

Now here is Neil’s response after I gave him the info:

I am not too happy about taking someone elses word on the size of the threads, if they get it wrong you have an LDC that is a wall ornament. Maybe we should wait until you have the gun or have a definitive answer, Neil.

quote Hoot:

Neil responded to my email and is certain he can out perform the baffles used on the OEM Edgun shroud. However, he needs to know the thread ID/count/whatever, that is used to screw on the baffle cover. Does anyone know this information?

He said about $85, or so, depending on what all is involved. If I can get the thread count, I will also ask about the slide-on moderator, which he can make out of 1.5″ tubing. I know for a fact that it works to perfection. Long, but removable, and incredibly effective. However, the screw-on may be just the ticket to stay close to OEM length and diameter.

Help out if you can.

Regards,

Uncle H 😯 😯 t

Neil responded to my email and is certain he can out perform the baffles used on the OEM Edgun shroud. However, he needs to know the thread ID/count/whatever, that is used to screw on the baffle cover. Does anyone know this information?

He said about $85, or so, depending on what all is involved. If I can get the thread count, I will also ask about the slide-on moderator, which he can make out of 1.5″ tubing. I know for a fact that it works to perfection. Long, but removable, and incredibly effective. However, the screw-on may be just the ticket to stay close to OEM length and diameter.

Help out if you can.

Regards,

Uncle H 😯 😯 t

quote Dr.KrillE:

Looking at your sketch… If one can find a pipe with the right dimensions it should be fairly easy to assemble such a device and test it.

My personal opinion is that this seems to be the alternative that is the easiest do DIY and has the best chance of functioning as desired. I for one will try to make one in the near future and test it.

When it’s time for production the choice of material probably limits the chance of finding a tube that fits without complicated machining but for testing aluminium or plastic eletrical tubing would do fine and be “easy” to find.

Dr 👿

My dear Doctor Evil:

The OD of the Edgun shroud is just under 1 inch in diameter. If so desired, as I did with the CrIcket, one could make a “slide-on” quite easily from aluminum pipe. Fashioning an endcap would be the most difficult part. The lesson I learned was to wrap the shroud in teflon tape before sliding on the moderator. Protects the finish. It was amazing how well the grub screws held the moderator on. Just the tiny bit of pressure needed to hold it in place and it didn’t scratch the OEM shroud, or leave a dent.

Being a re-usable silencer, one doesn’t mind that it makes the gun 7.5″ to 10″ longer, as you only use it when absolutely needed. AND…you can make it 1.5″ in diameter! Just neck it down to fit the smaller shroud. Mine was dead silent!!!

Incidentally, the Finlandish Baron von Sir Ville, a man whom I would trust with my life, recently referred to you as a “...smelly, stupid, simple, syphilitic, slimey, smelt sniffing, sneaky, sleazy, Scandinavian shrimp sucker!” Is this really true? Was he exaggerating? Seriously now…do you REALLY sniff smelt??? I find that strange! The rest I can understand, but what’s to be gained by sniffing a smelt? Perhaps I heard him wrong…my hearing is bad, especially when reading emails!

Kindest regards,

Uncle H 😯 😯 t

PS: To the odd on-looker, phrasing an insult is an artform! I suggest you make reference to professional web sites for such situations: http://www.angelfire.com/super/insults/home.html (aka…The Insult-A-Nator)

I have actually tried venting the first chamber in a Weichrauch silencer. After some tuning and experimentation I got these results on a 12 fpe gun:

With regular felt packing it made more noise than regular silencer. When I doubled the felt layer in the first chamber it became better than stock silencer. Final graph is with with improved felt support.

quote Linkan:

Guess my baffels is of no interest any longer…who cares…buuuuuuu! :4:

Bullshit Linkan…your baffles are the stuff my dreams are made of!

You must know that my neighbor is a parasite infested asshole of the lowest order. I LIVE to make his life difficult. I killed every damn designer chicken his bitch wife had, by shooting them in the head, and telling her their heads blew up because of the high temperatures. I patiently explained to her that she had to wrap their heads in aluminum foil, with just the beak sticking out, to prevent such a disaster, so she no longer keeps chickens. However, it is 104F today and I’m going to try to catch a grass carp to toss under his crawl space…as far back as possible.

So…your K baffles are indeed important to me at least!!!

Kind regards,

Uncle H 😯 😯 t

Guess my baffels is of no interest any longer…who cares…buuuuuuu! :4:

Hoot,

The silencer has to blow of 500 to 600 cc of air each shot.
More volume gives less sound.
If you can get Neil to make the end piece of the modified cricket silencer to slide on the end of the R3’s,
it will do the job.
You only have to give the o.d. of the R3’s silencer, than Neil can make it fit to slide on?
You will keep your R3 original, only something longer.
But that was never a problem with the cricket.

Regards, Robert.

EDIT: You are faster than me, probably smarter to. next time I read the whole thread before posting….. 🙂

quote meech1456:

Dr. Evil’s stripper idea is great. However, that would mean removing the first and/or second baffle to make room for the stripper. Even with the permanent mod, it make so much sense and is a worthwhile consideration. I would buy a stripper.

Here’s a quick sketch of what I was talking about:

If we can find an exact sized tube, have someone with a lathe cut the threads (ideal method of attaching tube), and add an end cap, we will have the front volume we are looking for. Along with the stripper idea, I think the .25 can be made super quiet while keeping a with the lines of the gun. Maybe Neil can build one 😕 .

Gabe

My idea was to make a small custom fit cone for the first compartment of the original stripper on the Edgun to enhance the capabilities without making large changes to the construction that can’t easily be undone if it turns out not working.

Looking at your sketch… If one can find a pipe with the right dimensions it should be fairly easy to assemble such a device and test it.

My personal opinion is that this seems to be the alternative that is the easiest do DIY and has the best chance of functioning as desired. I for one will try to make one in the near future and test it.

When it’s time for production the choice of material probably limits the chance of finding a tube that fits without complicated machining but for testing aluminium or plastic eletrical tubing would do fine and be “easy” to find.

Dr 👿

quote Urgirlinmyjetta:

I wanted to contact Neil for a custom air stripper for the matador, but couldn’t figure out how he would be able to make one to fit the gun… Id love to have an additional air stripper just like the very rare run of the add on version Ed had for the matador 2.5

I had him make a “slide-on” for the Cricket and he nailed it~

Just slid it on over the OEM shroud, a few turns on the two grub screws, and it was on to stay. Dead quiet. The quietest Cricket in the world!!!

Don’t sell Neil short…give him a call and discuss it with him. It was the best $130 I ever spent for a moderator that actually worked better than I had ever hoped.

If you have one of the older R2 or R2.5 Marauders, you can have the end cap drilled out and threaded for a screw in device. Lots of options.

I sent Neil an email tonight. He’s busy and it may take a few days for him to respond. I’ll clue everyone in on his response and whether he is willing to take on
the project.

I wanted to contact Neil for a custom air stripper for the matador, but couldn’t figure out how he would be able to make one to fit the gun… Id love to have an additional air stripper just like the very rare run of the add on version Ed had for the matador 2.5

There is some great brainstorming going on!

Everyone’s ideas are good. Man, if Neil could come up with something while being able to go back to stock, that would the shit. Personally, I don’t mine if it makes my gun a few inches longer for backyard sniping. Right know it is fine, but you know, the more silent the better.

Hoot,
It seems to me that if the moderator (post-baffle nut) had more volume, the gun can be made silent. That would probably mean adding length to the gun via a longer mod.

Firecracker,

Good idea. There is enough meat to cut threads and attach mod.

We just need someone to make it happen. I wish I could afford a mini lathe 🙁

I’ll put one on my bday or Xmas wish list…

Gabe

Another possibility is to let Neil,
. make some outside threads on the cover, and
. A custom screw-on air-stripper

Neil is magic and great to deal with.

I’m just here learning from the porch while you big dogs roam. Only bull pup I have is Evanix Max in 25 with Neil’s magic added. Hope to send it to Will Piatt to spiff up what Evanix should have.

The “doh” in my “name” is in homage to Mr Homer Simpson.

Oh yeah, you big dogs go ahead and try to bite my testicles . . . My wife already removed them!!

mikedoh

That’s a great idea Hoot. I was actually going to do the same once I get my gun. Send it to him and have him work his magic. I communicated through email with him a few weeks back and since he has never done it for an R3, he wanted to wait until I get my gun so he can get exact measurements. I am sure you’ve seen Ernest video correct? The one he used an fx shroud with a standard NC silencer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRzRHrN7D5w

quote Hoot:

I’ve got an idea…

I can send Neil Clague the baffle cover and have him make a custom moderator, and thread the bottom, so it will fit on the barrel bushing/nut threads. I can easily dremel off the OEM baffle frame, just above the threads, still have the barrel secured, and be able to screw on a more effective moderator of a length of my choosing.

Since it would be screwed on, the vents in the nut and the lower shroud would still be effective and the NC moderator can work it’s magic. Neil can make the expansion chamber as long as I want it before he baffles the moderator. Hmmmmm…..perhaps something in carbon fiber…

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