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P12 Bullpup Review coming soon

There has been much talk of a Bullpup some say an EDgun clone from China yet no one has actually handled one or
in fact seen one other than a few photo-shopped factory images on the interweb..

Until now that is..

I have just taken delivery of the two very first production prototypes for testing and review purposes, one in .177 and one in .22 and for the curious minds out there Im going to completely tare these down and compare them to their European counterparts for you all and answer every question you and the manufacturer want answered..
At this stage this rifle is not available but to the public but once the manufacturer gets the required feedback on their new product and make any modifications needed they will hit production and be distributed to their representatives around the globe. You cant buy these directly from the factory unless you are a representative as they don’t deal directly with the public and they have a minimum purchase number of 100 units. Please don’t ask me what these will retail for as it will depend entirely on your location and local distributors costs and mark ups. However I can tell you it will be cheaper (much cheaper) than any other bullpup currently available on today’s market.

Will this new low priced Bullpup compete with the European bullpup market needing very few mods right out of the box?
….or will it always be an entry level rough around the edge rifle with the quality resembling a the QB series of rifle etc that the tinkerers on a budget among us will flock to and replace every part on the rifle until it no longer resembles its original form and end up with something they can never recover their cost on when they eventually get pissed off with it and sell to buy the European Gun they wished they had bough in the first place..

Here is the Factory info on this pup before I get into this..
They are made by the Snow Peak Airgun factory in Shaoxing China who are well know for making cheap springer’s, some owners have remarked that they have been of reasonable quality but I have never owned or inspected one so I will not comment.

Snow peak Airgun factory was established in 1976 and at present, the company has 10 series with more than 30 specifications of airgun products, and owns several patents. The company also cooperates with internationally well-known airgun brands, and is rich in mature OEM experiences with a strong design and R&D team, they boast a first-class quality control system and testing equipments.
PCP Rifles are a new venture for Snow peak and they are gearing up to produce two PCP rifles, the M10 which looks to be a Air Arms S400 clone and this one the P12 bullpup which will be the subject of this independent review.

This is the manufacturers specs for the P12 bullpup they have released on their website.

MODEL P12 Bullpup
Magazine capacity: Single shot
Manual safety
Available in .177 (4.5 mm), .22 (5.5 mm) calibres.
Air tube volume: 317cc
Fill pressure: 20mPA, 200 Bar, 2900Psi
Precision rifled steel barrel for accuracy.
Scope mount rail & shock absorber scope stop.
Stock: European hard wood
Over all length: 710mm (28”)
Weight 3.1kg (6.8lbs)
Max velocity: 4.5mm (.177cal) 1000fps
5.5mm (.22cal) 1000fps

Please note this will be an evolving thread with an extensive unbiased review that tests every component of these PSP’s professionally and thoroughly.
I will first test and provide data on the rifles exactly as they arrived from the factory floor and then (should I need to) I will provide a list of all defects, point out any “quirks” and improvements needed to bring them up to an international standard.

Once all testing and data collection is done going onto a section of “extensive modification and tuning” in an attempt to get this Bullpup to be “all it can be”
I have a stock of new .177 and .22 L/W and BSA match barrels should the stock barrels be less than perfect.

Where is the .25cal model I also hear you all ask? I also have two new .25cal match grade barrels, one BSA and the other Lothar Walther that will I test on this platform for all those modders out there with the burning desire for more energy..

I know there will be plenty of questions rattling around out there already but please allow me the time to finish this first section before slamming me with them as I will do my best to leave all questions unanswered in the initial review.. I will be open to all questions and suggestions once I complete this initial review and start on the field testing stage.

Stay tuned.. first up.. The un-boxing… second…the strip down and comparisons, is it actually a clone?

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quote Palguns1:

Must be honest, I prefer single shots.

Looking forward to more feedback, but way more to receive my P12. Only problem – the ship to South Africa take ages. Up to then I need to hang around on this thread to satisfy the hunger.

Palguns

If Windywing presents the feedback at this rate you´ll die in hunger long before you´ll get your gun. :fishinghole:

Seriously – I quess it´s good he takes his time. The Man is known for his in-depth evaluations AND for his neverending quest for exotic Coffeebeans too.

:rofl: :rofl:

quote Sir Ville:

You do realize that EdGun years are like Dog years – one year means seven , give or take.

Must be honest, I prefer single shots.

Looking forward to more feedback, but way more to receive my P12. Only problem – the ship to South Africa take ages. Up to then I need to hang around on this thread to satisfy the hunger.

Palguns

You do realize that EdGun years are like Dog years – one year means seven , give or take.

I wanted single load set ups for my guns and Tony had 1 conversion for my 22 but i had to work a trade deal on the 25 to get one and give up my multi shot with irreplaceable aluminum mags. !!! I wanted to keep this but wasn’t an option. Tony said additional mags would be almost a year away and I am strongly guessing that means plastic only in the future. If Ed was going to make and sell spare aluminum mags it would be now and not a year from now it would seem.

Really? I know a while back Ed said there still would be single shot guns but maybe there are too many parts to worry about.

quote RIDETOEAT:

I like the looks of it so far. I called and signed up for one, so i can make m own conclusions when it arrives Looks like a copy of R2.5 which would be wrong to me but Edgun wont make them or even or even single load guns anymore as i understand WTH.

i dont understand why ed doesn’t want to make the single shots anymore….in my opinion having the option to buy a single shot or multi shot would only make him profit…but I dont know the logistics behind owning and operating my own gun manufacturing business, so my input is purely just spitballing…

I like the looks of it so far. I called and signed up for one, so i can make m own conclusions when it arrives Looks like a copy of R2.5 which would be wrong to me but Edgun wont make them or even or even single load guns anymore as i understand WTH.

He may be so overwhelmed with the quality of these beasts that he put all of his Matadors up for sale….

Winorider is either keeping us all hanging just because he is an evil,evil man OR that Chinese engineering marvel blew up and he´s not capable of typing down anything due the missing fingers. Or both … :angrymob:
I´m on to you,Wingy – yes i am !

Any new first impressions? Mine is on its way to South Africa

Palguns

How goes the P12 any realtime pics for us? any new development

quote Wingman NZ:

This feature list in the owners manual has me laughing…

Your air rifle contains many features:
 High shooting accuracy
 Great gas-saving capability with high usage rate 😯 ❓
 Simple structure, easy handling and good stability
 Safe and reliable
 Exquisite workmanship and excellent appearance
 Built-in pressure gauge to monitor the cylinder pressure
 Standard quick-fill nozzle

💡 It seems it uses high amounts of gas and has gas saving capabilities at the same time.. this is ground breaking engineering guys.. :rofl:

The only way it is going to do both is if you use it to knock off a quickie mart after filling the truck on the way to the range. :rofl:

Very much looking forward to it Wing! 😉

Knife

quote knifemaker:

I can’t help but wonder if they think a screw to change power is regulating the power to different levels. I wouldn’t be surprised. By their answer, I would just about bet on it. 😆 Knife

Indeed.. Im glad someone else picked up on this… like I said communication with the manufacturers has been “challenging”..

My requests for material grades and structural integrity/pressure test data related questions have gone unanswered..
Rest assured I will be doing these tests myself anyway using top of the line aeronautical material testing tools and hydrostatic pressure testing equipment.

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