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P12 Bullpup Review coming soon

There has been much talk of a Bullpup some say an EDgun clone from China yet no one has actually handled one or
in fact seen one other than a few photo-shopped factory images on the interweb..

Until now that is..

I have just taken delivery of the two very first production prototypes for testing and review purposes, one in .177 and one in .22 and for the curious minds out there Im going to completely tare these down and compare them to their European counterparts for you all and answer every question you and the manufacturer want answered..
At this stage this rifle is not available but to the public but once the manufacturer gets the required feedback on their new product and make any modifications needed they will hit production and be distributed to their representatives around the globe. You cant buy these directly from the factory unless you are a representative as they don’t deal directly with the public and they have a minimum purchase number of 100 units. Please don’t ask me what these will retail for as it will depend entirely on your location and local distributors costs and mark ups. However I can tell you it will be cheaper (much cheaper) than any other bullpup currently available on today’s market.

Will this new low priced Bullpup compete with the European bullpup market needing very few mods right out of the box?
….or will it always be an entry level rough around the edge rifle with the quality resembling a the QB series of rifle etc that the tinkerers on a budget among us will flock to and replace every part on the rifle until it no longer resembles its original form and end up with something they can never recover their cost on when they eventually get pissed off with it and sell to buy the European Gun they wished they had bough in the first place..

Here is the Factory info on this pup before I get into this..
They are made by the Snow Peak Airgun factory in Shaoxing China who are well know for making cheap springer’s, some owners have remarked that they have been of reasonable quality but I have never owned or inspected one so I will not comment.

Snow peak Airgun factory was established in 1976 and at present, the company has 10 series with more than 30 specifications of airgun products, and owns several patents. The company also cooperates with internationally well-known airgun brands, and is rich in mature OEM experiences with a strong design and R&D team, they boast a first-class quality control system and testing equipments.
PCP Rifles are a new venture for Snow peak and they are gearing up to produce two PCP rifles, the M10 which looks to be a Air Arms S400 clone and this one the P12 bullpup which will be the subject of this independent review.

This is the manufacturers specs for the P12 bullpup they have released on their website.

MODEL P12 Bullpup
Magazine capacity: Single shot
Manual safety
Available in .177 (4.5 mm), .22 (5.5 mm) calibres.
Air tube volume: 317cc
Fill pressure: 20mPA, 200 Bar, 2900Psi
Precision rifled steel barrel for accuracy.
Scope mount rail & shock absorber scope stop.
Stock: European hard wood
Over all length: 710mm (28”)
Weight 3.1kg (6.8lbs)
Max velocity: 4.5mm (.177cal) 1000fps
5.5mm (.22cal) 1000fps

Please note this will be an evolving thread with an extensive unbiased review that tests every component of these PSP’s professionally and thoroughly.
I will first test and provide data on the rifles exactly as they arrived from the factory floor and then (should I need to) I will provide a list of all defects, point out any “quirks” and improvements needed to bring them up to an international standard.

Once all testing and data collection is done going onto a section of “extensive modification and tuning” in an attempt to get this Bullpup to be “all it can be”
I have a stock of new .177 and .22 L/W and BSA match barrels should the stock barrels be less than perfect.

Where is the .25cal model I also hear you all ask? I also have two new .25cal match grade barrels, one BSA and the other Lothar Walther that will I test on this platform for all those modders out there with the burning desire for more energy..

I know there will be plenty of questions rattling around out there already but please allow me the time to finish this first section before slamming me with them as I will do my best to leave all questions unanswered in the initial review.. I will be open to all questions and suggestions once I complete this initial review and start on the field testing stage.

Stay tuned.. first up.. The un-boxing… second…the strip down and comparisons, is it actually a clone?

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Humm, sounds like they may use Navy Beans in the manufacture! 😆

I can’t help but wonder if they think a screw to change power is regulating the power to different levels. I wouldn’t be supprised. By their answer, I would just about bet on it. 😆

Knife

quote Wingman NZ:

This feature list in the owners manual has me laughing…

Your air rifle contains many features:
 High shooting accuracy
 Great gas-saving capability with high usage rate 😯 ❓
 Simple structure, easy handling and good stability
 Safe and reliable
 Exquisite workmanship and excellent appearance
 Built-in pressure gauge to monitor the cylinder pressure
 Standard quick-fill nozzle

💡 It seems it uses high amounts of gas and has gas saving capabilities at the same time.. this is ground breaking engineering guys.. :rofl:

Hi Phil,

So as far as accuracy goes, it shoots high?
Has gas saving feature, how much mile per gallon?

Just kidding,

I may not be interested in one, but always looking forward to your unbiased review/opinion.

Thanks,

John

This feature list in the owners manual has me laughing…

Your air rifle contains many features:
 High shooting accuracy
 Great gas-saving capability with high usage rate 😯 ❓
 Simple structure, easy handling and good stability
 Safe and reliable
 Exquisite workmanship and excellent appearance
 Built-in pressure gauge to monitor the cylinder pressure
 Standard quick-fill nozzle

💡 It seems it uses high amounts of gas and has gas saving capabilities at the same time.. this is ground breaking engineering guys.. :rofl:

Bummer. Maybe it was thrown off of the great wall. 🙄

quote Triple 3:

Is it just me or does it look like there are a bunch of scratches on the end of the air cylinder and shroud 😯

Yes.I think his pic is a poke on that.
Being a prototype, I wouldn’t put too much credence on that, since it’s probably been manhandled to death already. Fit and functionality would be my main concerns at this point.

quote Triple 3:

Is it just me or does it look like there are a bunch of scratches on the end of the air cylinder and shroud 😯

And the prize goes to Tripple 3! and theres that shocked face again..
This picture actually features on their website too.. so that was my first impression of the P12 finish…
My expectations were not high and I wasnt expecting a high quality finish when I first saw these pics..

It is however very possible that the scoped rifle pictured was a prototype test unit that was rough handled by many during testing..

Is it just me or does it look like there are a bunch of scratches on the end of the air cylinder and shroud 😯

He’s holding out on us :angrymob:

Wingman when do u think u will have your review of these?

Or are you shocked because it looks super nice ? 🙂 🙂

Clipping ?

quote SECoda:

What’s your first impression of the fit and finish?

My first impression?… this: 😯

I’d hit it! 😀 dish Eye or No! 😆

Is that a little paint fish eye ?? on the front upper section near the double allen head clamping screws. Wierd looking !!

Uh oh looks like that stock may need a little trim job… still at the price range if it can perform its still good.

So u have received them? what stock did u get? and well hows it shoot?

quote synopsys:

R2.5 clone right? 😉

Should be interesting, also will be interesting to see if what they end of mass producing is similar to the improvements or early production prototypes…
We all know how that can go.
Sure is easy to make the first run versions really nice, get good reviews and then send out mid-level trash for the mass produced item.

One thing i’m sure of is it will be a great post and an interesting read too! Thanks for getting this in place Wingman, if they take your input to heart they could likely have a winner on their hands.

Interesting indeed, and I know exactly what your saying regarding changes in quality when production increases..
I have had quite a bit of email correspondence with the factory and it has been challenging to say the least to get a straight answer or a basic question answered at all..

Heres an interesting pic for you though, I was sent this pic recently with a list of the rifle specs.
Check out the stock quality and slight change in shape..

It sure doesnt look like the other pretty ones they have on their website.. Which one do you think I received? 😯

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