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P12 Bullpup Review coming soon

There has been much talk of a Bullpup some say an EDgun clone from China yet no one has actually handled one or
in fact seen one other than a few photo-shopped factory images on the interweb..

Until now that is..

I have just taken delivery of the two very first production prototypes for testing and review purposes, one in .177 and one in .22 and for the curious minds out there Im going to completely tare these down and compare them to their European counterparts for you all and answer every question you and the manufacturer want answered..
At this stage this rifle is not available but to the public but once the manufacturer gets the required feedback on their new product and make any modifications needed they will hit production and be distributed to their representatives around the globe. You cant buy these directly from the factory unless you are a representative as they don’t deal directly with the public and they have a minimum purchase number of 100 units. Please don’t ask me what these will retail for as it will depend entirely on your location and local distributors costs and mark ups. However I can tell you it will be cheaper (much cheaper) than any other bullpup currently available on today’s market.

Will this new low priced Bullpup compete with the European bullpup market needing very few mods right out of the box?
….or will it always be an entry level rough around the edge rifle with the quality resembling a the QB series of rifle etc that the tinkerers on a budget among us will flock to and replace every part on the rifle until it no longer resembles its original form and end up with something they can never recover their cost on when they eventually get pissed off with it and sell to buy the European Gun they wished they had bough in the first place..

Here is the Factory info on this pup before I get into this..
They are made by the Snow Peak Airgun factory in Shaoxing China who are well know for making cheap springer’s, some owners have remarked that they have been of reasonable quality but I have never owned or inspected one so I will not comment.

Snow peak Airgun factory was established in 1976 and at present, the company has 10 series with more than 30 specifications of airgun products, and owns several patents. The company also cooperates with internationally well-known airgun brands, and is rich in mature OEM experiences with a strong design and R&D team, they boast a first-class quality control system and testing equipments.
PCP Rifles are a new venture for Snow peak and they are gearing up to produce two PCP rifles, the M10 which looks to be a Air Arms S400 clone and this one the P12 bullpup which will be the subject of this independent review.

This is the manufacturers specs for the P12 bullpup they have released on their website.

MODEL P12 Bullpup
Magazine capacity: Single shot
Manual safety
Available in .177 (4.5 mm), .22 (5.5 mm) calibres.
Air tube volume: 317cc
Fill pressure: 20mPA, 200 Bar, 2900Psi
Precision rifled steel barrel for accuracy.
Scope mount rail & shock absorber scope stop.
Stock: European hard wood
Over all length: 710mm (28”)
Weight 3.1kg (6.8lbs)
Max velocity: 4.5mm (.177cal) 1000fps
5.5mm (.22cal) 1000fps

Please note this will be an evolving thread with an extensive unbiased review that tests every component of these PSP’s professionally and thoroughly.
I will first test and provide data on the rifles exactly as they arrived from the factory floor and then (should I need to) I will provide a list of all defects, point out any “quirks” and improvements needed to bring them up to an international standard.

Once all testing and data collection is done going onto a section of “extensive modification and tuning” in an attempt to get this Bullpup to be “all it can be”
I have a stock of new .177 and .22 L/W and BSA match barrels should the stock barrels be less than perfect.

Where is the .25cal model I also hear you all ask? I also have two new .25cal match grade barrels, one BSA and the other Lothar Walther that will I test on this platform for all those modders out there with the burning desire for more energy..

I know there will be plenty of questions rattling around out there already but please allow me the time to finish this first section before slamming me with them as I will do my best to leave all questions unanswered in the initial review.. I will be open to all questions and suggestions once I complete this initial review and start on the field testing stage.

Stay tuned.. first up.. The un-boxing… second…the strip down and comparisons, is it actually a clone?

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What’s your first impression of the fit and finish?

Well ok Ill answer just one question..

Here’s a piece of an email I sent Snow peak and the reply I got from them..

me:
>Is the P12 fitted with an air regulator?
Is the power/speed output adjustable?

reply:
> yes, it have regulator, can adjust the speed and the power.

> Best regards
——-
> Shaoxing Snowpeak Air Gun Factory

I can’t believe ducati/snipergay hasn’t been reborn again.

Wing it sure looks good, it would look good beside R3M LONG , good looking stock, Lets see how it shoots, Wingman——do your testing

quote dman1114:

Your killing us… lol spill the beans Does it have a regulator? hows the machining quality ? hows the trigger? we can wait on a full review

just give us some chicken feed for now

Patience my young padawan.. a good accurate well put together regulated review takes time.. I wouldnt want to go off like a hair trigger and come off half cocked giving you all inaccurate infomation… 😉

Your killing us… lol spill the beans Does it have a regulator? hows the machining quality ? hows the trigger? we can wait on a full review

just give us some chicken feed for now

Loads to tell you all but to be honest Im just enjoying the multiple points of veiw being put forward so far… 😆

quote Wingman NZ:

Wow the accusations and assumptions are rife on this one..
You are all entitled to your opinions and can speak your minds without the need of an appology..
With that said I will remind you that this is a world stage and this is the first time this rifle has been on show in the public eye.. This thread will th be the first and only info on this bullpup until its distributed and it will come up on any web search engine and will be read buy thousands of potentual customers and also the manifacturer. Can I please aak that you keep it on topic as you all have so far thoughout the duration of the review. There has been some great opinions posted already but dont be too quick to wrightoff something you are yet to learn about..

more to follow very soon..

Regards Wingman

Lots are waiting to hear… do u have any thing to tell us?

thanks wingman

Wow the accusations and assumptions are rife on this one..
You are all entitled to your opinions and can speak your minds without the need of an appology..
With that said I will remind you that this is a world stage and this is the first time this rifle has been on show in the public eye.. This thread will be the first and only info on this bullpup until its distributed. This thread will come up on many web search engines and will be read buy thousands of potential customers and also the manufacturer. Can I please ask that you keep it on topic as you all have so far throughout the duration of the review. There has been some great opinions posted already but dont be too quick to write off something you are yet to learn about..

more to follow very soon..

Regards Wingman

Hi Knife,

I am sorry that I ruined the party. I guess that was the way I felt. I had to let it out of my chest. It is not important, really. I am just an airgunner and I promised not to get into the politic of it.

I know I may be the only here out of the crowd that feels that way, so I will stop bitching and let the fun resumes. Like I said I will not judge like some other members.

OH Hell, Nordic P. You went and killed all the fun! 😆

Knife

When was the last time you see a Chinese clone anything that uses the same materials?
I mean the finished product that has the same “quality” as the originals?
To name a few, Microsoft operating software, Swiss Rolexes, Luis Vuitton purses, American movies and yes, they cloned the American dollars too.

There is a difference between company out sourcing to China and cloning in China.
Out sourcing are products such as Apple computers and IPhones, somebody mentioned a Marauder, Lenovo PC, Nike shoes. The list can go on and on.

For humanity sake, if you are going to copy, make improvement, make it better than the originals. Do it in style, do it like the Japanese did it.

But their kids don’t need that stuff. Get back to work. :2:

quote Gooner:

In the UK for instance, its cheaper to buy the finished product from China, than it is to buy the materials..
Thats why nearly every big fishing company over here has everything made in China…
The trouble starts when these Chinese peasants want their own cars, plasma TV’s and ‘our’ petrol…
Then we’ll move on to India… .. Lol .. :2:

In the UK for instance, its cheaper to buy the finished product from China, than it is to buy the materials..
Thats why nearly every big fishing company over here has everything made in China…
The trouble starts when these Chinese peasants want their own cars, plasma TV’s and ‘our’ petrol…
Then we’ll move on to India… .. Lol .. :2:

I tell u what… If an American were to clone that and use the same materials as the Chinese they would not do it at that price. Americans get setup fees for machining and prices are very high. chinese work for a 16th of the price. That is y the price is where it is. Y do u think that so much stuff is outsourced . It’s all about the all mighty dollar .

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