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Taipan Mutant vs. Edgun Matador R3

According to Wikipedia, the inland taipan is considered to be the most venomous land snake related to the cobra family. Taipans move fast and possess highly neurotoxic venom and other toxic substances, which paralyze victim’s nervous system and clot the blood. Taipans are considered some of the most deadly known snakes. One drop of the inland taipan’s venom can kill up to 100 men (bioweb.uwlax.edu). The inland taipan is shy and rarely attacks. The taipan mutant can even be more deadly based on what you have seen in the mutant turtles created by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird.

Dman/Jaime and Ernest have posted very positive reviews on the Taipan Mutant – the mighty beast created in the Ukraine. The high air efficiency is intriguing to me, but it remains many mysteries concerning this particular strain of Taipan. Dman finally sent me his beloved Mutant to play with. Thanks Dman!

Here are my thoughts on the Mutant, and I intended to compare it with my “aged” Edgun Matador R3. I have to say it in the front that this is just my personal opinion on the comparison.

Machining: The machining of the Mutant is outstanding, very smooth, polished very well, no sharp edges and corners, and slightly glossy in the metal, outstanding finishing I would say. It looks and feels better than my R3s.

Stock: The quality of the stock is okay (i.e., serve the purpose). The Mutant stock is also well machined and shoulders comfortably for me. My R3 stock looks and feels better than the Mutant in appearance.

Hand Grip: The Mutant grip is very ergonomic and just the right size for my hands. It is very comfortable and no sharp edges. I like it much better than the R3.

Cocking: The lever cocking is butter smooth, effortless and flawless, period. The bolt cocking in my R3 is also very smooth after polishing and lubing the chamber.

Cocking Lever: The lever is ambidextrous. You can swap mutant lever to left or to right, a thoughtful design. R3?

Magazine Indexing: The magazine is very easy to install. It cycles very well but you will need to count the shot to know the last shot or you will need to put a marker/label on the magazine wall to tell where you are at. I had some dry fires without knowing the last shot. I have no experience with the Edgun magazine and its cycling, so no comparison on this.

Single-Shot Tray: The tray is easy to drop in, and very smooth. I don’t know if the single-shot tray is available for the R3M from the factory.

Scope Rail: The rail is very well made. My Burris Signature Z rings fit into it very well. The R3 rail has an angle to accommodate long-range shooting. But I don’t know if the Mutant has the same. I put on my SS scope and sighted it in at 30 yards without any problem.

Trigger: This is one of the best parts of the Mutant. Dman has turned the trigger really well, light, smooth, and crispy break. It is very consistent. This is much better than the R3s I have (both.22 and .25). The Mutant trigger is fully adjustable. Unlike R3, the first and second stage adjustments are independent in the Mutant. The tension for each stage is also adjustable. Did I say it is super smooth? The smoothness of the trigger makes you feel good and enjoyable during shooting. There is a tiny hole beside the trigger adjustment screws. I don’t know what that is for, but I think you can apply a needle drop of glue to that hole to prevent the movement of the screw to ensure the consistency of the trigger. Although I don’t use it, the Mutant trigger has a simple and effective safety. Overall, the Mutant is much superior than the R3 in trigger category.

Speed Consistency: I have shot more than 5 strings at different days and times. Dman adjusted his gun to shoot 880-890 fps, I consistently got 887-890 fps in mean velocity (from 6 string) with 2.0 to 2.7 fps SD and 7 to 13 fps in max spread. The shot-to-shot variation is within 2.0 to 3.0 fps, with majority of them at 2.0 – 2.2 fps. Based on my record, the Mutant is slightly better than my R3 in SD, max spread, and shot-to-shot variation.

Air Efficiency: Dman had 10.4 cc-bar/FPE in his string (see topic on “Meet the Taipan Mutant… update”). I believe he turned down the reg pressure a little bit (?). He tethered the gun with a large tank and closed the tank valve to use the large tank gauge for accuracy purpose. I read off the pressure change directly from the small gauge in the gun, and the calculated air efficiency is between 11.2 to 12.1 cc-bar/FPE (average 11.6 from 6 strings). In general, it is about 1.87 to 2 bar/shot (JSB 18 grain with 885-890 fps). The speed drops at ~118 bars. From 220 bar to 118 bar (or 115 bar in some strings), you will get ~55 shots with consistent velocity. My R3 has air efficiency ~12.2 cc-bar/FPE, which is close to the Mutant, but I have to said the Mutant edges out my R3. On the other hand, the R3 has larger air reservoir, and I can get 68 to 72 shots with 200-bar fill. Concerning the shot count, R3 wins. I don’t know if the Mutant air usage can be further “improved” by changing reg setting, hammer weight/spring, or valve spring…

Sound Report: The loudness is similar to that of R3, the Mutant may be slightly louder because of its high-pitch sound signature. This is very subjective…but the wife also says Mutant is louder.

Shroud: OD is 30.5 mm, shroud has some baffle inserts. The end-cap is a screw-in type, so it gives the possibility of installing an add-on LDC to further reduce the report. It is difficult to install LDC to the R3 without making a new shroud and adding adaptor for the LDC. In terms of the convenience of installing LDC, the Mutant wins.

HST Adjustment: Mutant has an external HST adjuster, very nicely made, easy to adjust and it is very responsive. There is a side screw to prevent the accidental turn of the adjuster. There is no HST preload on the spring so you can reduce the speed to zero if you want it to. In R3, you need to remove the stock to adjust HST, and the adjuster is difficult to turn and the thread of the adjuster is easily damaged by the little set screw (there is improved adjuster in newer version of the R3 and R3M). My R3 .25 came with damaged HST screw.

Air Filling: The fill hole can be closed by turning the cap, a very nice design, which R3 does not have. You can adjust the location of the fill hole in the Mutant. Dman didn’t send me the fill probe because it was not included in his original package. No problem at all because the probe is compatible with the Edgun probe. But the fill speed in the Mutant is kind of slow. I believe the fill speed is adjustable from the air-inlet screw in gauge assembly.

Pressure Gauge: Same as the Edgun air gauge (Kiwa).

Accuracy: This is the most important subject. A nicely made gun without accuracy is like a hamburger without meat. I am not a good shooter, I just wanted to find out what the Mutant is capable of in my hands. I normally shoot with bipods, but I specifically purchased the Caldwell front and rear bags to test Mutant accuracy. Although it is not thorough, at 30 yard one-pellet hole accuracy is achievable by the Mutant (see some groups in the picture). I tested it with different head size of JSB pellets from 5.46 mm to 5.51 mm (~18.1 grain). It appears that the Mutant likes 5.50-5.51 mm better (target #9 and #10). The groups seem to become larger for smaller head size (5.46-5.49 mm, targets #6, #7, and #8). At 50 yards, the Mutant is capable of producing 0.20” to 0.30” groups with 5.48 mm to 5.51 mm head, when I am in the good mood. The 0.3” to 0.4” group is very common (see some groups in picture). Those shootings were done under windy conditions and sometime with rain. The R3 LW barrel is specifically made to use JSB 18.1 pellets, but the spec of JSB pellet keeps changing and is inconsistent, head size from 5.46 mm to 5.53 mm (most recently was 5.47-5.48 mm), thin to thick skirt, different sizes and depths of head-base… which is very annoying and causes many fliers. My R3 only likes the “old-style” JSB (thin skirt, wider but shallower head-base, and 5.50 mm head size). My Edgun is the first generation R3, its barrel might be different from the newer models. Nevertheless, the Mutant is not that picky and much easier to shoot with compared to the R3. I like the Mutant better.

Conclusion: In some aspects, I feel that the Mutant is superior than my R3. Ernest said: “This thing put the Edgun and cricket in the back Seat‼” now I understand what he means. He also said, “1: All the negative things I know about the edgun and crickets you don’t see on the Mutant. 2: All the positive things I see on the Mutant I don’t see them on the edguns or crickets.” I don’t know about the Crickets since I don’t have one, but concerning the Edgun, R3 in my case, I agree with him.

Regards,
Endo

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50-yard target:

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It is critical that the TPORT is placed in the correct spot… otherwise you will get a puff of air everytime you pull the trigger…..

Its not that hard to correct but one needs to have the proper tools for the Job…. while your at it i would also check the dimple and redrill it properly.

is it cut to the proper length endo??

Endo I just received a tracking number from Petr. I’ll let you know how my situation turns out.
Darryl

Finally received the barrel and lever replacement from Petr after a long wait.

The barrel was not evenly blued and color is lighter dark (or bluish). This “CZ made” barrel has OD = 14.95 mm, L = 30.2 cm, and a choke at 1.25” from the bore. The muzzle end was machined to thread into the shroud. The TP was drilled out but the hole looks wired (doesn’t look straight) and the size is smaller than the CZ-s200 barrel from my standard mutant. The location of TP is also slightly different, i.e., distance from the wall to the center of the TP is longer than the CZ-s200 barrel. The dimple for setscrew was shallower, so the screw sticks out after installing the barrel. The barrel produced a blow-by to my nose/face. I knew it is not the O-ring problem because I replaced the new O-rings (the probe and barrel seal) and the problem remains. Well, how does it shoot? I don’t know yet because it was too dark to shoot last night and the crazy rains all day long. But based on the targets Petr sent to me, 3 groups (two 16 grain groups and one 18 gran group) looked decent at 27 yard.

The overall machining is good, but the blow-by problem worries me.

Thanks Dman, I understand. I provided incorrect measurement. My fault….

Using 136cc, the shorty air efficiency is 10.2~10.6 cc/fpe with JSB 18.1, and 9.8 cc/fpe with AA 16.
The lighter weight pellet is slightly better. These numbers are better than the standard mutant with JSB 18.1 (11-11.5 cc/fpe) and much better than the edgun (~12 cc/fpe). Shorty is the most air efficient gun I have ever seen. I am waiting for the new barrel….to make her complete. 😀

Endo

Thanks endo….
I was doing the rough math but I was basing it off the std.
so thats where I went wrong….

Greg,

quote GKU:

Here’s my pre-charge spacer Endo ……
I suspect that they vary a bit from gun to gun has show to be having a different characteristic.

~ Greg

Greg, thanks for the info. Can you elaborate more on “having a different characteristic”?

Endo

Here’s my pre-charge spacer Endo ……
I suspect that they vary a bit from gun to gun has show to be having a different characteristic.

~ Greg

Well, if we all agree that the volume in the standard is 200 cc, then I can do the backward calculation to derive the volume in the short. The total length of the standard tube is 48.6 cm (19.183”) not the 16-1/8” I posted earlier. Somehow I read the measurement upside down in the dark.:oops: It is correct that the length in the short is 36.4 cm. They both have the same inner diameter, which I measured in the standard is 2.7 cm a while ago (confirmed by Dman this morning). So, the 200 cc should fill up 34.93 cm segment in the standard. In other words, there is a 13.67-cm “dead space.” This dead-space is occupied by gauge plug, regulator, regulated air plenum and the valve plug in the tube. I am sure that the gauge plug, regulator, and valve plug are the same. But I am not sure about the plenum spacer, which seems to be shorter in the shorty last time when I dissembled the gun. Anyway, I assume the volume of the dead space is identical between the standard and the short, so this gives me 22.73 cm (36.4 cm – 13.67 cm = 22.73 cm) available length in the short. So, this segment corresponds to 130 cc in the short. This value is 6 cc smaller than what Dmitriy said (136 cc). In fact this 6 cc can be translated to 1 cm of the tube. So, the plenum spacer in the shorty might be 1 cm shorter than that in the standard. This is very likely since I noticed that the plenum spacer is shorter in the shorty. I will measure it next time when I dissemble the gun. Although this remains to be confirmed, my calculation supports the number 136 cc.

It really amazes me that 136 cc tube can make 40-45 shots JSB 18.1 with 780 fps.

Mughram, thanks for the info and you pushed me to re-do the calculation. 🙂

Regards,
Endo

well

this is what i’ve been told ( this email from Dmitiry )

The volume the reservoir on the standard 200 cm3.
Long 228 cm3
Compact 136 cm3

But in our rifle very economical air consumption. For example, in caliber 4.5mm at an energy of 27 J, we get more than 120 shots from standard.

Best regards,
Dmitriy

I just went through the measurement and calculation again, and feel comfortable on the 165-170 cc. I will use 168 cc to calculate the shorty air efficiency.

Regards,
Endo

I’ve been using 150cc but I think 165-170cc is a better ball park answers why I was missing 1 or 2 fills on my 75 cubic ……

~ Greg

I did the same endo….

The shorty is right around 165cc or so….

Mughram, thanks for the info.

This value surprised me. It seems to me the volume is too low. I calculated the dead space (occupied by reg, valve assembly, and gauge plug) of the air tube in the standard and it is about 37 cc, and the number come out ~200 cc functional volume for standard. This number is consistent with what Dman claimed. I believe the dead space for the shorty should be the same. In this case, I got 170 cc volume for shorty. I am not good at math and got a big “C” in high school.:oops: But I certainly can tell there is a huge difference between 136 cc and 170 cc, and this can make a significant error in calculating air efficiency.

Regards,
Endo

Dimitry is the man that makes these.. so 136cc it is. Thanks brother mugrham..

I will do some calculations tonight to verify but that number doesn’t surprise me…

nice restuls

shorty 136cc that’s what Dmitiry says

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