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Taipan Mutant vs. Edgun Matador R3

According to Wikipedia, the inland taipan is considered to be the most venomous land snake related to the cobra family. Taipans move fast and possess highly neurotoxic venom and other toxic substances, which paralyze victim’s nervous system and clot the blood. Taipans are considered some of the most deadly known snakes. One drop of the inland taipan’s venom can kill up to 100 men (bioweb.uwlax.edu). The inland taipan is shy and rarely attacks. The taipan mutant can even be more deadly based on what you have seen in the mutant turtles created by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird.

Dman/Jaime and Ernest have posted very positive reviews on the Taipan Mutant – the mighty beast created in the Ukraine. The high air efficiency is intriguing to me, but it remains many mysteries concerning this particular strain of Taipan. Dman finally sent me his beloved Mutant to play with. Thanks Dman!

Here are my thoughts on the Mutant, and I intended to compare it with my “aged” Edgun Matador R3. I have to say it in the front that this is just my personal opinion on the comparison.

Machining: The machining of the Mutant is outstanding, very smooth, polished very well, no sharp edges and corners, and slightly glossy in the metal, outstanding finishing I would say. It looks and feels better than my R3s.

Stock: The quality of the stock is okay (i.e., serve the purpose). The Mutant stock is also well machined and shoulders comfortably for me. My R3 stock looks and feels better than the Mutant in appearance.

Hand Grip: The Mutant grip is very ergonomic and just the right size for my hands. It is very comfortable and no sharp edges. I like it much better than the R3.

Cocking: The lever cocking is butter smooth, effortless and flawless, period. The bolt cocking in my R3 is also very smooth after polishing and lubing the chamber.

Cocking Lever: The lever is ambidextrous. You can swap mutant lever to left or to right, a thoughtful design. R3?

Magazine Indexing: The magazine is very easy to install. It cycles very well but you will need to count the shot to know the last shot or you will need to put a marker/label on the magazine wall to tell where you are at. I had some dry fires without knowing the last shot. I have no experience with the Edgun magazine and its cycling, so no comparison on this.

Single-Shot Tray: The tray is easy to drop in, and very smooth. I don’t know if the single-shot tray is available for the R3M from the factory.

Scope Rail: The rail is very well made. My Burris Signature Z rings fit into it very well. The R3 rail has an angle to accommodate long-range shooting. But I don’t know if the Mutant has the same. I put on my SS scope and sighted it in at 30 yards without any problem.

Trigger: This is one of the best parts of the Mutant. Dman has turned the trigger really well, light, smooth, and crispy break. It is very consistent. This is much better than the R3s I have (both.22 and .25). The Mutant trigger is fully adjustable. Unlike R3, the first and second stage adjustments are independent in the Mutant. The tension for each stage is also adjustable. Did I say it is super smooth? The smoothness of the trigger makes you feel good and enjoyable during shooting. There is a tiny hole beside the trigger adjustment screws. I don’t know what that is for, but I think you can apply a needle drop of glue to that hole to prevent the movement of the screw to ensure the consistency of the trigger. Although I don’t use it, the Mutant trigger has a simple and effective safety. Overall, the Mutant is much superior than the R3 in trigger category.

Speed Consistency: I have shot more than 5 strings at different days and times. Dman adjusted his gun to shoot 880-890 fps, I consistently got 887-890 fps in mean velocity (from 6 string) with 2.0 to 2.7 fps SD and 7 to 13 fps in max spread. The shot-to-shot variation is within 2.0 to 3.0 fps, with majority of them at 2.0 – 2.2 fps. Based on my record, the Mutant is slightly better than my R3 in SD, max spread, and shot-to-shot variation.

Air Efficiency: Dman had 10.4 cc-bar/FPE in his string (see topic on “Meet the Taipan Mutant… update”). I believe he turned down the reg pressure a little bit (?). He tethered the gun with a large tank and closed the tank valve to use the large tank gauge for accuracy purpose. I read off the pressure change directly from the small gauge in the gun, and the calculated air efficiency is between 11.2 to 12.1 cc-bar/FPE (average 11.6 from 6 strings). In general, it is about 1.87 to 2 bar/shot (JSB 18 grain with 885-890 fps). The speed drops at ~118 bars. From 220 bar to 118 bar (or 115 bar in some strings), you will get ~55 shots with consistent velocity. My R3 has air efficiency ~12.2 cc-bar/FPE, which is close to the Mutant, but I have to said the Mutant edges out my R3. On the other hand, the R3 has larger air reservoir, and I can get 68 to 72 shots with 200-bar fill. Concerning the shot count, R3 wins. I don’t know if the Mutant air usage can be further “improved” by changing reg setting, hammer weight/spring, or valve spring…

Sound Report: The loudness is similar to that of R3, the Mutant may be slightly louder because of its high-pitch sound signature. This is very subjective…but the wife also says Mutant is louder.

Shroud: OD is 30.5 mm, shroud has some baffle inserts. The end-cap is a screw-in type, so it gives the possibility of installing an add-on LDC to further reduce the report. It is difficult to install LDC to the R3 without making a new shroud and adding adaptor for the LDC. In terms of the convenience of installing LDC, the Mutant wins.

HST Adjustment: Mutant has an external HST adjuster, very nicely made, easy to adjust and it is very responsive. There is a side screw to prevent the accidental turn of the adjuster. There is no HST preload on the spring so you can reduce the speed to zero if you want it to. In R3, you need to remove the stock to adjust HST, and the adjuster is difficult to turn and the thread of the adjuster is easily damaged by the little set screw (there is improved adjuster in newer version of the R3 and R3M). My R3 .25 came with damaged HST screw.

Air Filling: The fill hole can be closed by turning the cap, a very nice design, which R3 does not have. You can adjust the location of the fill hole in the Mutant. Dman didn’t send me the fill probe because it was not included in his original package. No problem at all because the probe is compatible with the Edgun probe. But the fill speed in the Mutant is kind of slow. I believe the fill speed is adjustable from the air-inlet screw in gauge assembly.

Pressure Gauge: Same as the Edgun air gauge (Kiwa).

Accuracy: This is the most important subject. A nicely made gun without accuracy is like a hamburger without meat. I am not a good shooter, I just wanted to find out what the Mutant is capable of in my hands. I normally shoot with bipods, but I specifically purchased the Caldwell front and rear bags to test Mutant accuracy. Although it is not thorough, at 30 yard one-pellet hole accuracy is achievable by the Mutant (see some groups in the picture). I tested it with different head size of JSB pellets from 5.46 mm to 5.51 mm (~18.1 grain). It appears that the Mutant likes 5.50-5.51 mm better (target #9 and #10). The groups seem to become larger for smaller head size (5.46-5.49 mm, targets #6, #7, and #8). At 50 yards, the Mutant is capable of producing 0.20” to 0.30” groups with 5.48 mm to 5.51 mm head, when I am in the good mood. The 0.3” to 0.4” group is very common (see some groups in picture). Those shootings were done under windy conditions and sometime with rain. The R3 LW barrel is specifically made to use JSB 18.1 pellets, but the spec of JSB pellet keeps changing and is inconsistent, head size from 5.46 mm to 5.53 mm (most recently was 5.47-5.48 mm), thin to thick skirt, different sizes and depths of head-base… which is very annoying and causes many fliers. My R3 only likes the “old-style” JSB (thin skirt, wider but shallower head-base, and 5.50 mm head size). My Edgun is the first generation R3, its barrel might be different from the newer models. Nevertheless, the Mutant is not that picky and much easier to shoot with compared to the R3. I like the Mutant better.

Conclusion: In some aspects, I feel that the Mutant is superior than my R3. Ernest said: “This thing put the Edgun and cricket in the back Seat‼” now I understand what he means. He also said, “1: All the negative things I know about the edgun and crickets you don’t see on the Mutant. 2: All the positive things I see on the Mutant I don’t see them on the edguns or crickets.” I don’t know about the Crickets since I don’t have one, but concerning the Edgun, R3 in my case, I agree with him.

Regards,
Endo

30-yard target:

50-yard target:

Taipan Air Rifles

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Dman, the standard one is 16-⅛” and the shorty is 14-¼”.
My calculation is ~173 cc. I don’t know if this is correct.

Regards,
Endo

Endo we will go with the standard being 200 cc… Measure the Length of the airtube on both and let me know the Difference.

It should be around 160cc… but just to see. let me know what you get for a length .

I did an “out-of-box” string with JSB 18 grain several days ago. Here is the analyzed result (Picture 1). The average speed was 776.2±2.7 fps, 14 fps extreme spread, and 2.82 fps shot-to-shot variation. After turning the regulator (changed o-rings, polished and re-lubed the washers, set to 135 bar), I did a string from 199 bar to 161 bar (20 shots) on JSB 18 grainer and from 161 bar to 126 bar (20 shots) on AA 16 grainer. The JSB string had 780.5±2.4 fps and the extreme spread was 9 fps and shot-to-shot variation was 2.7 fps. For AA 16 grainer, the average speed was 818.3±2.1 fps, 7 fps extreme spread, and 2 fps shot-to-shot variation. The last two shots were off regulator and were excluded from analysis. The extreme spreads are less then 10 fps in both 18 and 16 grainers after tune. The shorty is excellent. Unfortunately she was sporting an inferior barrel by the dealer.

I am not able to calculate the air efficiency without knowing the size of the air tube.
Dman (or anyone), do you know?

Picture 1: Factory String

Picture 2: After Tuning the Regulator

Greg and Dman, thanks for the info. Yes, I am confused. That’s why I was asking. The factory setting in my standard is 145 bars, but my shorty was set to 135 bars exact (see pictures). The max speed at 135 bar is ~785 fps for 18 grainers. For 16 grainer, it may reach 820 fps I think. This should be at the range of the highest BC, based on Keyser. I got about 55 shots with that reg pressure…

Mike, if you have paid $75 extra, you should get a CZ barrel, as what Darryl has received, no worry. But how do you know (or identify) the barrel is made by CZUB? The “Germany” barrels were made in Korea as what I have heard. I ordered a gun with barrel “made in Cz”, according to Petr, not in Germany/Korea. I wanted to know how good his Cz barrel is because I know what CZ-s200 can do in my Standard. First, Petr didn’t do what he advertised. The Germany/Korea barrel is disappointing in my hands, as other people have experienced, I am returning it. I have another issue with the gun and I have sent Petr an email to see what he wants to do but haven’t gotten response yet.

Regards,
Endo

I’m with you guys. If you paid for Cz barrels they need to supply Cz!!! Same situation would be if someone put barrel made in Germany into the Vulcan…. I’m sure everyone would be angry. 👿
I see big problem here in Cz republic because they are not providing so short barrels and someone must buy std. barrels for CZ200 and cut it for suitable lengths… but Cz ub is extremely loaded factory and they probably not supplied barrels on time…

Keyser
Not me, I paid for my CZ barrel, and yes I did read the add. The guys that got the guns with the Korean barrels are the ones that are tolerating this way more than me, To ask for another barrel, To hope the gun shoots good, Bullshit its not what I ordered,,,,,
You guys getting your guns are the tolerant ones, Nice guys , To accept a Korean barrel when you ordered a CZ barrel gun, Its ok for you , And I under stand that , You hope you get sent a better barrel, I hope so to…Your Korean barrel shoots OK .
I get one of these cheap ass barrels its not even coming out of the box,
I will ship it right back and get a refund.
I am sure every thing will work out for the best,
Maybe its just a big mistake because of the huge order,
I just hope Peter does not make that mistake with my money,
I just hope everybody gets what they ordered and this all blows over like smoke,
And peter comes out as the Hero Mutant seller of the year, and everyone is happy in the world of pellet guns,
Hell I do not even have a date from, the UPS people , So I am going to shut the fuck up and hope for the best.
Better days are coming as soon as I get the dam UPS shipping date, :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Mike

Mike you are tolorating this more than I would. “being unfair”? bullshit, the heart of every gun sits a barrel. Without the barrel you have nothing. My father always said: “Das Billige ist immer das Teuerste” which means the cheapest way is always the most expensive.

I have my Mutant/Listone shooting the 16’s at 815. Why is mine shooting slower? By design, the JSB 16s have a higher BC at 815 compared to 850! Don’t make me put out another 27 min video to prove it :rofl:

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Well, you guys make my shorty look bad…
I need a Listone barrel for sure…

What is the reg pressure you guys set at?
The factory setting is 135 bars.

Regards,
Endo

Endo… you may have something confused. the factory setting for the shorty is 146ish bar

Sucks on the barrels on the Mutants,
I am still a little confused how they can say Germany and be a Korean barrel? Last time I look on the map them two places are not even close to each other, Maybe I missed the post on how its done,
I just wonder what the Listone barrels are selling for? ( You can PM me the price)
My CZ barrel cost me an extra 75 dollars,
If my gun is shipped with anything else , It will be unfired and boxed back up for a full refund,
I do not care how the dam thing shoots , Its not what I paid for.
Some mistakes can get through, But I read the add Like everyone else, WTF.
I will spend my money somewhere else,,,,
Money does not grow on trees for me, I got to dig that shit up,
Mike
PS If you think I am being unfair , You can bite my ass!!!!!!

Endo,

My Shorty came factory set to 146 bar, and I have it set there still.

~ Greg

Well, you guys make my shorty look bad…
I need a Listone barrel for sure…

What is the reg pressure you guys set at?
The factory setting is 135 bars.

Regards,
Endo

quote dman1114:

GKU
mines is shooting the 16s like a laser ….. 860 fps.
Just like mcdonalds….. I’m lovin it!!!!

With the JSB 16g I’m getting 845 fps max with the Listone and your superb spacer/swiss upgrade.

~ Greg

GKU

mines is shooting the 16s like a laser ….. 860 fps.

Just like mcdonalds….. I’m lovin it!!!!

Like my German/Korean barrel also, mine was quit pellet lot picky eater.
With the right lot it shot okay but …. .. . the Dman upgraded Listone barrel are the BOMB !

Do try JSB 16g also, I believe it’ll do about 820-825fps for yah.

A nicer black stock you have one yours compared to mines Sir !!

~ Greg

Keyser, I think you are correct. I have contacted Petr and he said he was swamped with orders and some of the other dealers helped him out. It is good to hear that the demand of Mutant is high, and good for his business. But…

With that price, sporting the Germany/Korean barrel is a joke, and is a deep humiliation on the Mutant.

He asked me to shoot the gun and “If it does start to shoot badly I will replace it with a barrel made in the Czech Republic”. He should use this so called “Cz” barrel in the first place, since this is what I ordered.

Anyway, this morning was calm (very rare, <2 mph), as suggested by Petr, I went ahead did some tests on this shorty after cleaning the barrel. I took 15 shots to seasoning the barrel, then tested it at 30 yards, simply don’t want to waste my pellets at 50 yards if the barrel cannot pass this short distance. The gun had speed 745 fps shooting with JSB 18.1 grain. The max speed could reach 785 fps. So I adjusted it to shoot ~775 fps. The max spread was 14 fps in a full fill (220 bar to 130 bar). Here is the result.

In Picture 1, the small orange dot is the aim point. The accuracy is inconsistent, and in my humble opinion, it is not accurate at 30 yards. The target paper was kind of wet because of rain in the past few days. This might have made the pellet holes “bigger”. So, I put up a new target paper, and did another 50 shots (5-shot group). The same result shows in Picture 2 (aimed at center dot). The target #19 is what my Mutant Standard can do constantly at 30 yards, and this is the only group I feel acceptable on accuracy, based on the Mutant Standard in my hands at this distance. This Germany/Korean barrel may have a potential but very inconsistent (I am saying this in a polite way). I will return this Germany/Korean barrel back to Petr and test his Cz barrel to see if it is as good as the CZ barrel as he claims. I will get a Listone barrel from Dman too (hopefully he still has some). Thanks for the suggestion.

Regards,
Endo

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Picture 2

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