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Taipan Mutant vs. Edgun Matador R3

According to Wikipedia, the inland taipan is considered to be the most venomous land snake related to the cobra family. Taipans move fast and possess highly neurotoxic venom and other toxic substances, which paralyze victim’s nervous system and clot the blood. Taipans are considered some of the most deadly known snakes. One drop of the inland taipan’s venom can kill up to 100 men (bioweb.uwlax.edu). The inland taipan is shy and rarely attacks. The taipan mutant can even be more deadly based on what you have seen in the mutant turtles created by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird.

Dman/Jaime and Ernest have posted very positive reviews on the Taipan Mutant – the mighty beast created in the Ukraine. The high air efficiency is intriguing to me, but it remains many mysteries concerning this particular strain of Taipan. Dman finally sent me his beloved Mutant to play with. Thanks Dman!

Here are my thoughts on the Mutant, and I intended to compare it with my “aged” Edgun Matador R3. I have to say it in the front that this is just my personal opinion on the comparison.

Machining: The machining of the Mutant is outstanding, very smooth, polished very well, no sharp edges and corners, and slightly glossy in the metal, outstanding finishing I would say. It looks and feels better than my R3s.

Stock: The quality of the stock is okay (i.e., serve the purpose). The Mutant stock is also well machined and shoulders comfortably for me. My R3 stock looks and feels better than the Mutant in appearance.

Hand Grip: The Mutant grip is very ergonomic and just the right size for my hands. It is very comfortable and no sharp edges. I like it much better than the R3.

Cocking: The lever cocking is butter smooth, effortless and flawless, period. The bolt cocking in my R3 is also very smooth after polishing and lubing the chamber.

Cocking Lever: The lever is ambidextrous. You can swap mutant lever to left or to right, a thoughtful design. R3?

Magazine Indexing: The magazine is very easy to install. It cycles very well but you will need to count the shot to know the last shot or you will need to put a marker/label on the magazine wall to tell where you are at. I had some dry fires without knowing the last shot. I have no experience with the Edgun magazine and its cycling, so no comparison on this.

Single-Shot Tray: The tray is easy to drop in, and very smooth. I don’t know if the single-shot tray is available for the R3M from the factory.

Scope Rail: The rail is very well made. My Burris Signature Z rings fit into it very well. The R3 rail has an angle to accommodate long-range shooting. But I don’t know if the Mutant has the same. I put on my SS scope and sighted it in at 30 yards without any problem.

Trigger: This is one of the best parts of the Mutant. Dman has turned the trigger really well, light, smooth, and crispy break. It is very consistent. This is much better than the R3s I have (both.22 and .25). The Mutant trigger is fully adjustable. Unlike R3, the first and second stage adjustments are independent in the Mutant. The tension for each stage is also adjustable. Did I say it is super smooth? The smoothness of the trigger makes you feel good and enjoyable during shooting. There is a tiny hole beside the trigger adjustment screws. I don’t know what that is for, but I think you can apply a needle drop of glue to that hole to prevent the movement of the screw to ensure the consistency of the trigger. Although I don’t use it, the Mutant trigger has a simple and effective safety. Overall, the Mutant is much superior than the R3 in trigger category.

Speed Consistency: I have shot more than 5 strings at different days and times. Dman adjusted his gun to shoot 880-890 fps, I consistently got 887-890 fps in mean velocity (from 6 string) with 2.0 to 2.7 fps SD and 7 to 13 fps in max spread. The shot-to-shot variation is within 2.0 to 3.0 fps, with majority of them at 2.0 – 2.2 fps. Based on my record, the Mutant is slightly better than my R3 in SD, max spread, and shot-to-shot variation.

Air Efficiency: Dman had 10.4 cc-bar/FPE in his string (see topic on “Meet the Taipan Mutant… update”). I believe he turned down the reg pressure a little bit (?). He tethered the gun with a large tank and closed the tank valve to use the large tank gauge for accuracy purpose. I read off the pressure change directly from the small gauge in the gun, and the calculated air efficiency is between 11.2 to 12.1 cc-bar/FPE (average 11.6 from 6 strings). In general, it is about 1.87 to 2 bar/shot (JSB 18 grain with 885-890 fps). The speed drops at ~118 bars. From 220 bar to 118 bar (or 115 bar in some strings), you will get ~55 shots with consistent velocity. My R3 has air efficiency ~12.2 cc-bar/FPE, which is close to the Mutant, but I have to said the Mutant edges out my R3. On the other hand, the R3 has larger air reservoir, and I can get 68 to 72 shots with 200-bar fill. Concerning the shot count, R3 wins. I don’t know if the Mutant air usage can be further “improved” by changing reg setting, hammer weight/spring, or valve spring…

Sound Report: The loudness is similar to that of R3, the Mutant may be slightly louder because of its high-pitch sound signature. This is very subjective…but the wife also says Mutant is louder.

Shroud: OD is 30.5 mm, shroud has some baffle inserts. The end-cap is a screw-in type, so it gives the possibility of installing an add-on LDC to further reduce the report. It is difficult to install LDC to the R3 without making a new shroud and adding adaptor for the LDC. In terms of the convenience of installing LDC, the Mutant wins.

HST Adjustment: Mutant has an external HST adjuster, very nicely made, easy to adjust and it is very responsive. There is a side screw to prevent the accidental turn of the adjuster. There is no HST preload on the spring so you can reduce the speed to zero if you want it to. In R3, you need to remove the stock to adjust HST, and the adjuster is difficult to turn and the thread of the adjuster is easily damaged by the little set screw (there is improved adjuster in newer version of the R3 and R3M). My R3 .25 came with damaged HST screw.

Air Filling: The fill hole can be closed by turning the cap, a very nice design, which R3 does not have. You can adjust the location of the fill hole in the Mutant. Dman didn’t send me the fill probe because it was not included in his original package. No problem at all because the probe is compatible with the Edgun probe. But the fill speed in the Mutant is kind of slow. I believe the fill speed is adjustable from the air-inlet screw in gauge assembly.

Pressure Gauge: Same as the Edgun air gauge (Kiwa).

Accuracy: This is the most important subject. A nicely made gun without accuracy is like a hamburger without meat. I am not a good shooter, I just wanted to find out what the Mutant is capable of in my hands. I normally shoot with bipods, but I specifically purchased the Caldwell front and rear bags to test Mutant accuracy. Although it is not thorough, at 30 yard one-pellet hole accuracy is achievable by the Mutant (see some groups in the picture). I tested it with different head size of JSB pellets from 5.46 mm to 5.51 mm (~18.1 grain). It appears that the Mutant likes 5.50-5.51 mm better (target #9 and #10). The groups seem to become larger for smaller head size (5.46-5.49 mm, targets #6, #7, and #8). At 50 yards, the Mutant is capable of producing 0.20” to 0.30” groups with 5.48 mm to 5.51 mm head, when I am in the good mood. The 0.3” to 0.4” group is very common (see some groups in picture). Those shootings were done under windy conditions and sometime with rain. The R3 LW barrel is specifically made to use JSB 18.1 pellets, but the spec of JSB pellet keeps changing and is inconsistent, head size from 5.46 mm to 5.53 mm (most recently was 5.47-5.48 mm), thin to thick skirt, different sizes and depths of head-base… which is very annoying and causes many fliers. My R3 only likes the “old-style” JSB (thin skirt, wider but shallower head-base, and 5.50 mm head size). My Edgun is the first generation R3, its barrel might be different from the newer models. Nevertheless, the Mutant is not that picky and much easier to shoot with compared to the R3. I like the Mutant better.

Conclusion: In some aspects, I feel that the Mutant is superior than my R3. Ernest said: “This thing put the Edgun and cricket in the back Seat‼” now I understand what he means. He also said, “1: All the negative things I know about the edgun and crickets you don’t see on the Mutant. 2: All the positive things I see on the Mutant I don’t see them on the edguns or crickets.” I don’t know about the Crickets since I don’t have one, but concerning the Edgun, R3 in my case, I agree with him.

Regards,
Endo

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50-yard target:

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700.00 and they can’t put in a real barrrl with all this mark up?

Peter is being used to dump inventory that was left over from the old WWAG. I would not let them get away with this. This is so disappointing too. I used to think Peter was one of the good ones. Let’s examine the facts. These guns were brought in for around 700 dollars. They were sold for 1450. This is an obscene profit for what the rest of the world considers an affordable bullpup. There is plenty of money left over from the profit to put a nice barrel on this gun. I recommend Dman’s Listone. I would make those bastards send Jamie a check for a new drop in barrel for your Mutant.

Yes, this is odd….

What I ordered is a barrel made in Czech Rep that Petr in TGAG has been using it for decades in his family business, not the one labeled with “Germany” made with sleeves on it. The Germany/Korean barrel is 14″ OD and CZ barrel in my Mutant Standard is 15″.

The point is TGAG did not send me the gun (yes, Petr in AZ not Charles in GA) based on what he advertised.
Independent of whether the barrel is accurate or not, this business style fits perfectly to the definition of “Bait-and-Switch”.
It is just hard for me to believe, coming from TGAG.

Regards,
Endo

I get the feeling this was the second coming of bullshit How do you sell guns with barrels you know are improperly marked made in Germany?

Man no wonder I keep going back to EDgun. These dealers are bastards

That top cap screw looks really messed up.

Elmer, yes, it was shipped out on Tuesday this week, from Petr at Scottsdale, AZ. Stephen Smith is also on the label.
It is clear enough to me that the barrel is not CZ batch. It is the same Germany/Korean barrel from the first batch of shipping.
Hopefully, the CZ barrels will show up someday………..
Regards,
Endo

Was your order shipped out this week on Tuesday? I thought that was the CZ batch? Did your package originate out of Scottsdale, AZ? Was there another shipper’s name on the package besides Petr’s?

Received the package from Mr. Petr Plesinger at the TopGun AirGuns (TGAG). The shorty came with a soft JSB pouch, a fill probe and an adapter, a few o-rings, 2 pairs of steel-rods for HST adjuster and valve housing, and 2 magazines. I thought it will come with some nylon-tip setscrews for reg and HST adjusters. But it is okay…

The target sheet didn’t say what the distance or how many shots in the group was tested, but it looks decent. Hopefully, it was taken at 50 yards or more (not 20 or 30 yd)… and really hope it was shot by his helper (http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/message/1457407400/Taipan++barrels+coming..) So, I can expect my shorty has a hidden potential… do I expect this too much? LOL

Then, here is the problem, the nightmare becomes reality. The barrel was stamped “Made in Germany”….Where is the “Cz” barrel that Petr advertised/promised? I couldn’t figure it out… help me…I don’t think this is right, even if the gun shoots well.

Endo

Nice very nice! 😯

Hey Keyser, thanks. Your shorty video convinced me that I should get one too. This will happen very very soon, may be tomorrow. :winkn:

I wondered what barrel I will get… Petr has been waiting for his “CZ” barrel and he just got a confirmation two days ago that his “CZ” barrels have been shipped out, so it is unlikely to be a “CZ” barrel that he is waiting for. We will see… I will keep you posted in this thread.

Regards,
Endo

Another reason Dman needs to be the importer of Taipan. Nice post Endo

While I am waiting for my Mutant shorty to come, I did a string several days ago after receiving a new regulator from Dman. I bought my Mutant standard from Dman and he is very responsive to make sure I am happy with the gun (of course I am). I told him that the manufacturer should change the stock setscrew (for regulator pressure adjuster) to one with nylon tip because the reg threads were damaged by that screw. He said “I will take care of it” and sent me a new reg along with a nylon-tip setscrew and a pair of softer polyurethane o-rings for replacing the hard ones on the reg shaft. What a service…

So, I cleaned up the excessive lubes (nothing wrong with it, but what you got is some lubes coming out from the vent hole), replaced the o-rings, and turned down the reg pressure from the factory setting of 145 bar to 135 bar. My goal is to shoot ~885 to 900 fps. The max speed for 135 bar pressure setting was ~925 fps. My target speed was about 95% of the max. I first turned the HST to shoot ~910 fps and the spread is only 3 fps in 15 shots. I reduced the HST to shoot ~888 to 890 fps and the spread increased to 10 fps. After a week, the speed dropped a little to ~884 fps (see Figure for the complete string). The spread is 12 fps. Not too bad, but I think it can be improved to beat Dman’s record on 4 fps in his shorty string by increasing HST to near max speed, but it is too high to my liking (with the consideration of the noise she makes). Pictures show the corresponding targets of 5 10-shot groups and one 5-shot group at 50 yard. Not too bad under 5-10 mph winds… I know she (or I) can do better than that because this record is below average.

So, I will let the reg to settle with another tin of two, turn the reg pressure down a little (130 bar?) to adjust the max speed to 910 fps and the HST to shoot 890 fps (~98% of max speed). This might be the sweet spot for my Mutant.

Regards,
Endo

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Greg, that is a great idea. That cap can also hold a mag of pellets inside the hole. Yeah, plug those evil motivators up… :whistle:

Darryl = DT9290, surely,I will keep my mouth shut… I anticipate the Baby Mutant will be available very soon. :biggrinn:

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Greg, that is a great idea. That cap can also hold a mag of pellets inside the hole. Yeah, plug those evil motivators up… :whistle:

Darryl = DT9290, surely,I will keep my mouth shut… I anticipate the Baby Mutant will be available very soon. :biggrinn:

My Short is also on order. BTW keep it a secret, but I’m DT9290 on that other forum, and I participated in that Mutant thread. Like I said, I have on on order, so you know which side I took. :winkn: I finally got tired of dealing with children and unsubscribed from that thread.
Darryl

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