The Haley .457 is here.
My haley .457 is finally here i should have the 58 in bout 2 weeks my 457 is supposed to produce 500+fpe i got the scope mounted tonight and will shoot tomorrow and YES i Will get u guys some pics also
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Tom Basile ” pellet man ” set up the fast twist 308 cal barrel that it has now many years back it is better match than the 45 barrel for that gun ,and gets 10 power shots at 900 + fps , i have moded ported the internals { i port 2 stroke racing jet ski cylinders so i have all the trick equipment to do this kind of work } i moded the return spring on the valve , which gave more fps on the opening shots ,
i run a 6-24-50 mil-dot scope on it ,and on my other guns , i changed the oring size to get the barrel -barrel sleeve to seal better , the gun is very accurate , hits a 1 inch spinner all day long at 75 yards , and fun to shoot .
Dan H,
I wasn’t talking about simple subjective commentary when I asked about your posting history. I was hoping you might have actually posted some groups and chrony data to support anything you have to say about anything. For all I know, you’re a crack shot and have a clue about big bores but nothing here to date supports that. As far as I’m concerned, you don’t know much about design or function and that opinion is based on your juvinile comments in this thread. You’ve claimed RS has changed positions when he has been consistent and you’ve expressed your opinions on design and materials and builders but nothing about you says “I’m worth listening to.”
In this thread alone, I’ve posted more groups than we have any reason to believe you’ve ever shot (despite your claim to as many as a 1000 shots a week). If you look around, you’ll find that the slugs I refer to in those groups have been tested for BC in a couple guns and I posted those results. You’ll also find a bunch more groups and even a 200 yard shot on a ground hog. Look some more and you’ll see high speed videos of penetration into ballistic gel and any number of targets hit. The fact is; I’ve got a history of documenting my experiences and learning with big bore airguns. I’ve also got a history of listening to customers and offering for sale only those slugs that actually work in their guns. I’ve also got a history of advising potential customers regarding their next purchase, be it a gun or a slug I could sell them whether it would work or not. You’ll have a tough time finding anyone I steered wrong and you’ll have an impossible task finding someone that honestly tells you I intentionally fed them BS to get them to buy pellets or a gun from a favorite maker. Go ahead, try.
You need to grow up. Just because you decided to buy an XP does not make it the best ever. I’ll bet it’s a good gun for the money but you are taking it way over the top and as far as anyone here can tell, you’ve got no expertise to back up your rants.
Maybe you ought to produce something besides an unsubstantiated, baseless and uninformed opinion? Every post you make brings new questions about your credibility. You shoot thousands of rounds on your home range and you have a compressor etc. and now you post about a shoebox? Yeah, maybe that’s a timing thing… You have a chrony but never posted a string or group? Yeah, never felt the need to share your expertise, I get it…too good for us until you sw the chance to jump this thread! I forgot, when I said you sounded like a fan boi, to mention that another indicator would be that you would have lost or not have a camera. I guess your promise of video should be adequate but it’s not.
At this point, I fully expect you to back up all your talk with quality stills and video. We’ll be waiting for groups and chrony data and close-up pics of the gun. RS and I will be interested in pics after the first couple thousand shots get fired. That should only take you a couple weeks of course…
Sorry to be rough on you, you might still turn out to be OK…you’ve just started out as a complete asswipe! But I’m just one of the clowns!
stop your crying and whining like a little biatch !
hey Jerry i could care less what you have to say punk ! or what you think punk ! rough on me ! HA ! what do you think i am some little fawking girl !
fawk dude i have raced against the best in the world in my sport bar to bar, fist to fist ,PRO CLASS so a couple of little shit talking punks on the Internet ain’t shat ! HA ! HA ! get real !
Jerry you are one of the punks on here that will be eating CROW PIE when i get this ranger , and shoot the hell out of it ,
i saw this thread and saw what garbage Jack Haley has turned out and sold people ! i talked to someone that is a machinist that is fixing one of his wrecks , that sent me a few pics , so you are dam right i would come in here and show what i have found out, i don’t give a rats azz what you or the rest of the punks that roam/ troll on here think !
we get someone in the jet ski industry that pulls this shit we get out the torches and the pitch-forks, and send out the hounds , and they are put out of business in very short order ! ya fawk people , it’s game ON ! VERY SIMPLE ! !
Jerry how do ya like me now ! 😆
Tom Basile ” pellet man ” set up the fast twist 308 cal barrel that it has now many years back it is better match than the 45 barrel for that gun ,and gets 10 power shots at 900 + fps , i have moded ported the internals { i port 2 stroke racing jet ski cylinders so i have all the trick equipment to do this kind of work } i moded the return spring on the valve , which gave more fps on the opening shots ,
i run a 6-24-50 mil-dot scope on it ,and on my other guns , i changed the oring size to get the barrel -barrel sleeve to seal better , the gun is very accurate , hits a 1 inch spinner all day long at 75 yards , and fun to shoot .
Dan H,
I wasn’t talking about simple subjective commentary when I asked about your posting history. I was hoping you might have actually posted some groups and chrony data to support anything you have to say about anything. For all I know, you’re a crack shot and have a clue about big bores but nothing here to date supports that. As far as I’m concerned, you don’t know much about design or function and that opinion is based on your juvinile comments in this thread. You’ve claimed RS has changed positions when he has been consistent and you’ve expressed your opinions on design and materials and builders but nothing about you says “I’m worth listening to.”
In this thread alone, I’ve posted more groups than we have any reason to believe you’ve ever shot (despite your claim to as many as a 1000 shots a week). If you look around, you’ll find that the slugs I refer to in those groups have been tested for BC in a couple guns and I posted those results. You’ll also find a bunch more groups and even a 200 yard shot on a ground hog. Look some more and you’ll see high speed videos of penetration into ballistic gel and any number of targets hit. The fact is; I’ve got a history of documenting my experiences and learning with big bore airguns. I’ve also got a history of listening to customers and offering for sale only those slugs that actually work in their guns. I’ve also got a history of advising potential customers regarding their next purchase, be it a gun or a slug I could sell them whether it would work or not. You’ll have a tough time finding anyone I steered wrong and you’ll have an impossible task finding someone that honestly tells you I intentionally fed them BS to get them to buy pellets or a gun from a favorite maker. Go ahead, try.
You need to grow up. Just because you decided to buy an XP does not make it the best ever. I’ll bet it’s a good gun for the money but you are taking it way over the top and as far as anyone here can tell, you’ve got no expertise to back up your rants.
Maybe you ought to produce something besides an unsubstantiated, baseless and uninformed opinion? Every post you make brings new questions about your credibility. You shoot thousands of rounds on your home range and you have a compressor etc. and now you post about a shoebox? Yeah, maybe that’s a timing thing… You have a chrony but never posted a string or group? Yeah, never felt the need to share your expertise, I get it…too good for us until you sw the chance to jump this thread! I forgot, when I said you sounded like a fan boi, to mention that another indicator would be that you would have lost or not have a camera. I guess your promise of video should be adequate but it’s not.
At this point, I fully expect you to back up all your talk with quality stills and video. We’ll be waiting for groups and chrony data and close-up pics of the gun. RS and I will be interested in pics after the first couple thousand shots get fired. That should only take you a couple weeks of course…
Sorry to be rough on you, you might still turn out to be OK…you’ve just started out as a complete asswipe! But I’m just one of the clowns!
I suspect we will be doing a torture test on our Shoeboxes at the same time were testing the Rangers. I will need to order another tank, I ordered the scope tonight.
regards,
Roachcreek
man are you ever right about that shoebox test , i have been greasing it up every 2 hours a big glob on each cylinder rod , i think that will keep things running i have coated the chain with it a bit also and all pivots this thing needs the grease ! my cylinders are not running hot at all doing it this way right now ,
i am using a artist brush to put on the grease i suggest you do the same to keep your hands away from the moving internals, please do this ! i am warning everyone about this
it is real easy to trip that on/off switch while you grease this thing , so i now un -plug the unit everytime i grease it up , better safe with a brush than a finger whacked off ! plus you don’t get grease on your fingers ! what the heck !
i ordered the rebuilt kit with mine just in case
i saw you replaced the orings on yours after i think you said it was 6 hours ? so i went over kill on the grease -every 2 hours hoping this helps keep it slicked up !
OK, so far i have 4 =44cf cylinders filled now i am on the 5th and it is a 88cf cylinder the 1st of 3=88cf that i will be doing , then a top off on the over 500cf dot steel cylinder , so the little shoebox has it’s work cut out for it , this will be a great test of this , another newer product to the airgun market , keep it greased ! UP ! i think that is the key
Dan,
I suspect we will be doing a torture test on our Shoeboxes at the same time were testing the Rangers. I will need to order another tank, I ordered the scope tonight.
regards,
Roachcreek
NICE!! 😀
FYI:
Yes, i know we are talking “SHEAR” strength and not “PULL” strength but, I also think the mainspring is given was too much credit. Those springs aren’t THAT strong. Not strong enough to SHEAR a grade 8 bolt (probably 1/4×20 or 12×24 screw) or TOOL steel. Im sure we could easily compress a BB mainspring with our bare hands if we squeeze em in between. And we are putting MAYBE 20-30 lbs of pressure on the spring to compress it and NOT: Capability in shear = 91,000 lbs / in2 x .0491 in2 = 4468 lbs for a 1/4″ grade 8 bolt with fine threads.
Just because a gun is POWERFUL does not mean the mainspring is super strong. A heavy hammer, a light return spring, BIG PORT HOLES, how close the port hole is behind the projectile, and such are all factors in a guns power. The mainspring plays only a small part of the role. When we pull back on a bolt handle and it FEELS STIFF to cock (no pun intended), it does not mean that parts are gonna break. Steel is way stronger than we are. That is exactly why my CHEAP ASSED Haley trigger keeps holding up and holding up. What seems strong to me IS NOTHING TO STEEL or IRON or even a good grade of plastic.
Riverside. Believe me, i get your point. I’m not arguing. The above mention info is simply a reality check on whats going on with the materials. I remember seeing OLD videos of ERIK HENDERSONS VIDEOS of him shooting his DAQ rifles and it took a HELL OF A LOT to COCK those guns. But that part of the gun, meaning the trigger assembly never seemed to fail even though it looked like only the HULK could cock one of his earlier guns.
While those 2 screw heads are UNIQUE, i would completely trust them cause i’m familiar with those type of bolts. And even if DAN does SURFACE those bolt heads, i’m sure he only removes a MINIMAL amount of material to get them POLISHED just right to make for a super smooth contact surface. And trust me, that lil bit of material that he removes, isn’t gonna change the tensile strength of that bolt.
T… , ya i use the stainless allens on all my jet ski racing motors they are strong as hell !
the amount of force put on the XP airgun allens , aint shat compared to what the bolts can with-stand , you would have to be a real ” donkey” to think other-wise ! 😆
talked to Dan , he said he has a customer that has shot well over 100lbs of lead out of the ranger, and the gun is performing perfect !
this is what happens when you build a gun right , and out of the best materials , it shoots ! and shoots !
i ordered mine with the 36 inch barrel , i have 500 rounds of 454 round ball left over from when i had my 45 cal barrel on the sam yang 909, and i think i am going to order 1000-2000 rounds of cast bullets from midestates bullets to get things started ,
i am going to shoot the hell out of this gun , i have more than enough air, and will have enough ammo to put the gun through it’s paces , and a prochrono to messure what it does in fps/fpe , and video it
the shoebox is toping my 88cf tanks off as i type this , so far it has ran almost 3 days straight none STOP ! and is chugging away ! cylinder after cylinder .
Tof:
never said the bolts will fail in fast order, just that it’s really not what they were engineered for…further it really is not necessary if he simply properly cut the engagement surface directly in the native steel of the hammer
I just can not fathom the why of it all
we go past that, to remove the hammer means removing those screws, something unecessary when you cut the engagement surface into the hammer itself
I could understand it all if there was an obvious benifit but all I can see is a series of potential issues.
Years back one of my collecting interests was improvised firearms, like antique Big Bore air rifles there was little interest in them at the time. When I finally spread my wings and went overseas I did see similar use of fasteners, the one that comes to mind was full auto shotguns they were making from scratch in Cebu, an island in the Philipinnes
anyways these monsters were totally brazed together out of scrap tubing and the one I actually fired used a stove bolt as the sear lug
sure it worked, then again I have carried a hand made 1911 clone that was all brazed up sheet metal with an unlocked breech
winced every time I triggered that beast.
anyways the point is given no other option I have no problem with the indigenous rural gunsmithing option, thing is this is a $1200.00 high end AG made in the USA
not some village “factory” in Cebu or Darra running pedal lathes powered by small boys
I’ll put it this way, if I end up with an XP down the road one of the first things I will do is dump the primative trigger “group” and replace that hammer with something of my own design
for $1200.00 I really should not need to go through all that should I?
others will of course have different opinions about those features and don’t really care about what’s going on inside their machines
my head has never worked that way
as I have told Roach, practically everything I own, Vehicals, Weapons…even most of my consumer electronics has been hacked & modded to fit my usage
just my nature 😉
RS,
That copper pipe dart gun is hanging on the door to the upstairs part of his shop!
If you look at the picture of the Woodsman in its case, you’ll see the bolt for the gun when configured as a .62 smoothbore. I ought to take a picture of that bolt up close so some can see what a proper bolt should look like.
BTW, the bolt for the Yukon is made of aluminum bronze and it is sealed by aluminum bronze “piston” rings not o rings. The machining on these guns has a beauty all its own. I love the styling but even if the look was more boring like you and RC enjoy, I’d appreciate the precision workmanship and design.
Not a fan of the Style Jerry but I’ll never dispute Barnes is probably the best maker out there
I just look at his “guns” and think Aw shit, what will this guy come up with next?
His work IS impressive, he is an artist but everything he does is so damn visually busy it gives me a headache
maybe if I shot one it would grow on me…{like some alien fungus}
anyways they do look like prop guns from B rated Science Fiction movie to my eyes
but that’s just me
I always figured Barnes for a Trekie
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the classic bit O’ Barnes lore was the page he used to have on his Website detailing how to build a dart firing Air Rifle from Copper plumbing tubing and hardware years back
still have it in hardcopy in my files somewhere 😉
AS USUAL, those Barnes guns sure do shoot.
Grade 8 bolts…thats exactly what i figured. Plenty strong stuff. I know as i’ve built quite a few escalators/elevators using Grade 2, and 5 and 8 bolts.
FYI:
Yes, i know we are talking “SHEAR” strength and not “PULL” strength but, I also think the mainspring is given was too much credit. Those springs aren’t THAT strong. Not strong enough to SHEAR a grade 8 bolt (probably 1/4×20 or 12×24 screw) or TOOL steel. Im sure we could easily compress a BB mainspring with our bare hands if we squeeze em in between. And we are putting MAYBE 20-30 lbs of pressure on the spring to compress it and NOT: Capability in shear = 91,000 lbs / in2 x .0491 in2 = 4468 lbs for a 1/4″ grade 8 bolt with fine threads.
Just because a gun is POWERFUL does not mean the mainspring is super strong. A heavy hammer, a light return spring, BIG PORT HOLES, how close the port hole is behind the projectile, and such are all factors in a guns power. The mainspring plays only a small part of the role. When we pull back on a bolt handle and it FEELS STIFF to cock (no pun intended), it does not mean that parts are gonna break. Steel is way stronger than we are. That is exactly why my CHEAP ASSED Haley trigger keeps holding up and holding up. What seems strong to me IS NOTHING TO STEEL or IRON or even a good grade of plastic.
Riverside. Believe me, i get your point. I’m not arguing. The above mention info is simply a reality check on whats going on with the materials. I remember seeing OLD videos of ERIK HENDERSONS VIDEOS of him shooting his DAQ rifles and it took a HELL OF A LOT to COCK those guns. But that part of the gun, meaning the trigger assembly never seemed to fail even though it looked like only the HULK could cock one of his earlier guns.
While those 2 screw heads are UNIQUE, i would completely trust them cause i’m familiar with those type of bolts. And even if DAN does SURFACE those bolt heads, i’m sure he only removes a MINIMAL amount of material to get them POLISHED just right to make for a super smooth contact surface. And trust me, that lil bit of material that he removes, isn’t gonna change the tensile strength of that bolt.
Riverside,
Do you really think I’d settle for the Disruptor when I could (and do) have this?
I mean, really? The disruptor is just a toy by comparison!
At least these Klingons can shoot…
I know, short range, what’s the point…
OK, it does OK at longer ranges too.
Maybe this one is a little less alien?
It shoots OK too.
The crazy looking carbine at the bottom of this picture shoots OK too…
😆 😆 😆 I know you’re loving this! Hey, you can hate the looks but the performance is there and I’ve never heard anyone complain about Barnes machining!
Have you posted any groups and performance data regarding your Sam Yang 909 308/45 cal? Maybe it would help us ass clowns if we knew a little more about you and your experience besides the few posts here where you cheerlead for a gun you’re waiting on and piss on another you’ve never touched.
ya i have posted about the sam yang on Marvin’s thread , i have had it now for about 6 years and killed big , and small game with it
Tom Basile ” pellet man ” set up the fast twist 308 cal barrel that it has now many years back it is better match than the 45 barrel for that gun ,and gets 10 power shots at 900 + fps , i have moded ported the internals { i port 2 stroke racing jet ski cylinders so i have all the trick equipment to do this kind of work } i moded the return spring on the valve , which gave more fps on the opening shots ,
i run a 6-24-50 mil-dot scope on it ,and on my other guns , i changed the oring size to get the barrel -barrel sleeve to seal better , the gun is very accurate , hits a 1 inch spinner all day long at 75 yards , and fun to shoot .
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