The Haley .457 is here.

Butcher,

I am wrong on that evidently, I thought it was any battery operated sight, which of course would be any red dot or lighted reticle, but then I only glanced at that part of the regs because I have never used a battery operated sight for big game.

But judging by your targets they don’t shoot very good, yeah right. 😆 I have used dot sights for lots of years, but never to hunt with. If I am going to use a unmagnified sight, I usually go for the apertures. I like the low power scopes because in brush it allows me to see any twigs or brush in the way, just me and what I like. But one thing I have to admit, there is nothing faster, and nothing easier to train kids to shoot with, my kids learned to shoot with a Chipmonk and a red dot sight.

For play, and on varmits around the house I do use them

Guys, it is the teaching old dogs thing your dealing with.

Jerry that is a lovely rifle and I am glad you included a picture of your “bone”. And yes that would be a little light, but a great air gun slug none the less.

Regards,

Roachcreek

That Yukon looks like it can really bring the pain….to both game, and shooter! Like your shoulder is getting it’s ass kicked in cursive…..maybe even calligraphy.

Just for you RC!

Yukon with Nightforce scope.

Yukon with EoTech sight.

Reticle I got.

1 1/2″ sapling that took a .62 richochet!

Close up of your favorite bit of Elk horn!

How is an Eotech illegal for big game in Oregon?

It doesn’t project a beam to the target, and since it isn’t a laser site, or artificial light I don’t see what it illegal about it. In the current regs (page 8 in the middle of the first column) it states right there in the reg that prohibits laser sights and artificial light “This does not include battery operated sights which only light the reticle”.

No doubt about it, the Eoteck is a terrific sight, and ithas served our boys in uniform quite well but it is also ilegal to hunt with in Oregon for Big Game.

I am going to order the Burris tomorrow, it will give me 5 aiming points at 2 thru 7 power, which will change the reticle size and the distance between the aiming points at different ranges. The scope is only 140 bucks, so it is not a big loss if it does not work. My first choice would be a Leupold 1×5 with a Mildot.

And as you point out Butcher, if I got caught with that classic stock and a eltro sight by the Gun Makers Guild of America’s fashion police I would be branded as a “ass Clown”.

I will have my work cut out mapping it all out.

Jerry do you have some more data on those big slugs your making for the 451.5 and 452 and perhaps pictures? I think another 44 cuft tank is in order also. I had no idea you were pouring things like that.

Right now for molds I am thinking a 452 320 grain bullet would have a lot of utility, but I have to say, if I can get out of the box 452 45 LC bullets to shoot at 250 grains, I will not be firing up a lead pot any time soon.

Riverside, are you going to the islands on vacation? IS this it?

Regards,

Roachcreek

Walt:
you must not have been following the back and forth with Dannyboy much
His claim was Haley was using seamed tubing in the pressure tube, you can go back and check out the pix he sent as “evidence” that I posted up for his drunk ass

that would be like me posting that pressure tubes you have built used seamed tubing
just an outright lie

anyways I have to ask Walt…would you use a screwhead in a hammer as the engagement point for a sear?
I suspect absolutely not, but who knows…I have seen crazier shit done

Oh and as soon as I tear my JH .452 apart I will cam up a bunch of shots
never had the valve or end fill out of it but have had bolt and hammer out, everything that far was just fine

not sure if mine can be called representitive though as it was Jacks personal rifle, might have received closer attention than customer guns
just don’t know until it’s all apart
all I know is it does shoot!

RC,
My limited experience tells me that you will not get any obturation with a flat based slug. It’s not so much driven by power (you’ll have plenty of that) but power delivery. The airgun has a slower ramp and a lower peak pressure. The other concern is that even if you have a hollow base with walls thin enough to blow out a bit, you end up with a slug that has a bore riding (more or less) nose and that allows (depending on lede and slug length) the axis of the slug to deviate ever so slightly from the axis of the bore. Yes, I’m being very picky here but I observed your work getting the Condor to group better and better… 😆

I expect you’ll slug the bore to be certain but I’ll assume it’s .452 exactly as advertised. That being the case, I’d start with a .452 slug in dead spft lead. I don’t think any harm will come of using 30-1 but you’ll notice that Bob V. and Seth and I have all come to the conclusion that dead soft is the best for these guns almost always. I don’t know how much “plinking you’ll do with a gun of this magnitude but you could always use the cheaper/harder stuff for that. My own shooting with the .62 is limited enough that I use my best stuff so as to not lose the ability to learn the performance of the “field” slug.

Having been able to participate in the field test and proofing of a good number of big bores destined for others, I’d say that .001/2 and slug design and fit to the lede can make a huge difference to accuracy. (In fact, even smaller changes can have an impact, that’s why we offer the Raptor slug in .4515 as well as .452, a couple guns just wanted .0005 less!) That’s one of the reasons I’m waiting to see actual accuracy testing on these XP guns, I’m almost certain that they will shoot better with some slugs than others and energy alone is not enough to pick your hunting slug.

You might want to do some experimenting with commercial slugs before you spend the cash on a mold (Lee molds are cheap enough to experiment with). Oh, Lee does offer custom sizing dies at a great price but do be sure to check them. I have had some come out .001 off and I just tossed them…

BTW, I’ve got a NightForce scope on my “Elk Horn” gun right now but the EoTech sight is going back on. The gun is too abusive to spend a lot of time shooting long range target groups with (I’ve scoped myself twice) and the EOTech two dot and circle reticle gives me a dot dead on at 50, the lower dot dead on at 100 and the bottom of the lower tick mark on at 200 with a 150 spot just above the bottom of the circle. There is zero magnification but 200 yard shots on a pie plate size target are easily repeatable from a rested position. I don’t expect you find a bench to shoot your Elk from when you spot it 200 yards away but if you did, the EoTech would support your record shot! Oh, the 565gr slugs that hit the steel plate at 200 yards went from about 1 1/16″ long down to no more than 3/16″ long but about 1 1/2″ wide with lots of missing lead! You’ll have plenty of power!