The Haley .457 is here.
My haley .457 is finally here i should have the 58 in bout 2 weeks my 457 is supposed to produce 500+fpe i got the scope mounted tonight and will shoot tomorrow and YES i Will get u guys some pics also
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IMO a .45cal rifle should be 0.457/0.458″ and not 0.452″
not sure why Dan went that size……?
Tue dimensions anyone? don’t buy the 18,000psi rating. Most likely a burst rating and calculated not tested.
Gotta see the numbers to confirm a pressure rating…….
Call me the Charlie Sheen of airguns, and send a fucking food basket. 😯 Perhaps Crowpopper II would be a better title. 😆
I just ordered the extra barrel set for the xpairguns 58, the 2nd barrel and airtube is a 28 inch 452. The 58 will be 32 inches.
I turned my SS, BSA Improved Mdl D, Crosman 101 and 150 into most of this, plus two months of Airgun allowance I give myself. I wasn’t shooting them anymore after the new wore off. I am keeping that sweet little HPA carbine of mine tho.
I see that Pedersoli makes a 451 grease grove bullet for the Sharps Paper cartridge rifles, it weighs 550 grains, unlubed that might be a barnstormer in this rifle, although it may need to ge opened up a bit to 452.
I better kill a elk with it this fall or I will be picking up roadkill for the dinner table. 😆
Regards,
Roachcreek
Dan,
I used to take that same 430 grain bullet and size it down and shoot it out of my Casull, it did not take too many before I decided that was a bad idea, I cast some for a friend and he did the same thing.
He told me afterwards that next time he wanted to warm up his Casull, he woul lay it on the pavement on a hot day. 😆
Problem with sizing down bullets that far, is that you generally degrade accuracy.
Having that extra 45 barrel sounds great, but I will probably buy it after the intial purchase. I need to get a scope and a mold to get this beast up and breathing fire.
I am considering a 2×7 Burris Fullfield with the balistic retical, it has I think 4 points to hold over with. I will probably buy a 48 sheet of cheap plywood and see where those bullets hit in reference to the holdover points and power range.
I don’t think I would shoot beyond 125 yards, and I would think I could get that out of this setup. The area I hunt in was my backyard for 13 years and I cut several trails thru the thick mahoganey and the elk then started using them, just about perfect for large bore short range work.
I think your right about this thing sucking air. I can get 5 fills I think it is going from 3000 to 4000 PSI on that tube, so I will buy some more outdated tanks, maybe from your buddy off of ebay. The last one I got was from a guy who does the same thing your firend does but in LA.
Hunters will think I am a fireman running around in the woods with that 44 cuft tank on my back. 😆
These next two weeks will be brutal.
Regards,
Roachcreek
My reason to go with the 58 was to hunt elk with it.
I have killed 50 or so elk, a few with a 45/70 and then the same two rifles, a Shilo Sharps #1 Sporting rifle and a engraved Sharps Borschardt sporting rifle after I rechambered them to 45/100 with black powder loads and my cast bullets.
The 500 grain bullet I used was the military Lyman 457125 with a dupicate of the military load, which did not work for shit, the round nose does not impart much shock, so I went to a Lyman 430 with a flat nose, the difference was astounding.
Knowing that I would not match that velocity in a air rifle, which was only 1200 with 430 and 1150 with 500 grain bullets, I opted for the 58 due to the larger frontal area and the stellar performance of the 58 minnie on the battlefield with both horses and men.
But since I got that email from Dan on the extra barrels I am considering going with a extra 45 barrel.
Do you know if the Ranger and the 58 use the same valve?
I have both a 44 cuft tank and a 8.5 cu ft tank and a Shoebox to feed this monster.
Regards,
Roachcreek
you could mold over 400g 45-70 bullets and size them to 452 and shoot them at around 1000 fps with 4500psi , that would kill anything that roams on the north American continent !
i would buy 3 more 44cf cylinders if i were you , if you want to shoot this gun a lot , it’s going to SUCK the air big time ,
i have gone over kill and picked up 4=44cf cylinders 3=88cf cylinders and a over 500cf large steel DOT cylinder , i know a guy in vancouver Kirk that is a sales rep for the air equipment for breathing / fire fighting dept’s , my stuff is all used and got a killer deal on it
Kirk is on ebay with tanks , or you could just go to his house and pick the tanks up charged and ready to go for around $40 each , i can email you his number if you like
on the valve the same valve is used for the 58 and the 45 and the same springs for valve and hammer , Dan came up with, and updated return spring for the valve that made a big improvement on the guns, it mostly improved the 45’s number’s shooting the bigger 340g and above at 4500 psi on high power , we will have this new spring in our guns .
Dan,
My reason to go with the 58 was to hunt elk with it.
I have killed 50 or so elk, a few with a 45/70 and then the same two rifles, a Shilo Sharps #1 Sporting rifle and a engraved Sharps Borschardt sporting rifle after I rechambered them to 45/100 with black powder loads and my cast bullets.
The 500 grain bullet I used was the military Lyman 457125 with a dupicate of the military load, which did not work for shit, the round nose does not impart much shock, so I went to a Lyman 430 with a flat nose, the difference was astounding.
Knowing that I would not match that velocity in a air rifle, which was only 1200 with 430 and 1150 with 500 grain bullets, I opted for the 58 due to the larger frontal area and the stellar performance of the 58 minnie on the battlefield with both horses and men.
But since I got that email from Dan on the extra barrels I am considering going with a extra 45 barrel.
Do you know if the Ranger and the 58 use the same valve?
I have both a 44 cuft tank and a 8.5 cu ft tank and a Shoebox to feed this monster.
Regards,
Roachcreek
How many shots do you get on hi power?
I have considered changing my order to 45, the availabilty of bullets and molds is so much better.
Roachcreek
That was my thought , that the 452 has way more for molds ,and really cheap for buying cast bullets or round ball , for example i can get 230 g reloading bullets for $54 for 1000 bullets at midstates cast bullets ,
now if you cast your own round ball or bullets the 58 would be cool but it does not get near as many shots as the 45 , according to Dan at XP
if i remember right he said you could get about 8 high fps shots off on low power with 141g 454 round ball at just 3000 psi
i think it was close to the same amount on mid power with 3500psi -250 g bullet , and a few less on high power- 4500psi shooting over 340 g bullets
i am still waiting for my gun i have a couple of weeks just like you ,to get it , all the info i have put on here is from Dan at XP , and others who have the gun ,
can’t wait to pull the trigger on this bad boy !
Walater,
I was hoping you would be on line.
I have a question, what is the rating of the valve retaing screws I should use on my Disco tube and brass boss disco valve?
Roachcreek
what is the diameter and wall thickness of that 18,000 psi rated tubing?
Walter…
Dan,
How many shots do you get on hi power?
I have considered changing my order to 45, the availabilty of bullets and molds is so much better.
Roachcreek
The 32 inch base rifle comes with a walnut classic stock and flat black cerecote finish for 1600.00.
For $400.00 more you can have another barrel and tank that is a drop in fit, same serial number in 45, 58, or 20 gauge shotgun.
I wonder what that would do with 375 barrel and the same valving?
This rifle makes with 4500 PSI, 1038 FPE with 820 Grn bullets but more importantly in the 800 FPE range with minnies @ 4000PSI, and well over 500 FPE with just round balls and a 3000 PSI fill.
Does anybody make a thread adpter to screw on a 55 gallon oil drum for a LDC? 😆
Regards,
Roachcreek
The 45 barrel is the way to go for more fps , shooting over 200 g bullets the ranger with 36inch barrel will shoot over 1200 fps with the new valve return spring , set on medium power 3500 psi ,
on high power with 4500 psi it will shoot a 540g hollow point at over 900fps !
now i ordered the 45 ranger ,because of the higher fps , but Dan now tells me he is offering the gun with both 45 and 58 caliber barrels and action , since both barrels take the same air tube lower this makes sense .
i bought a shoebox compressor to keep up with this bad boy cause it eats air up like wild hog on wheat !
i might order the extra 58 barrel and action ,but the 58 does not get near as many shots as the 45 does on one fill from what Dan tells me , but it would be a real HOOT ! ta SHOOT ! BOOM !
i think at this point Dan XP-AIRGUNS Ranger 45 and 58 caliber are hands down the best high power big bore air rifles being made for the cost and power and best most of all the materials that he makes the guns out of –
hammer forged chromoly barrels
7000 series billet alloy breach area cnc-ed { i race jet ski’s we use this material for critical light parts -strong as hell it is ! and very expensive ! }
4130 chromoly tubing 18000psi rated air tube
4340 steel for the hammer and it is ceramic coated ,and lubed with a special lubricant
even the screws are metric 12 grade !
low -medium – high power – settings to adjust for the different weight bullets
other parts are anodized ,and the outside is cerakoted , a hard core finishing that can take crazy abuse with maximum salt water protection from rust
Safety – it has a custom seperate safety pin that you can put in that makes it impossible for the hammer to move forward and hit the airvalve-
this safety pin is really important for shipping or transporting the gun, or if you get this gun as a muzzle loader – very important safety feature for a muzzle loader !
i checked out everyone on the nets big bore airguns , none of them measured up to the XP airguns ranger for power quality and price , Dan H
Tofazfou,
The interchangable 20 gauge barrel concept is another great idea, that gun gets 1043 FPE with a 2 OZ slug now, if you lowered that to a 1 oz shot charge or even a 1oz modern slug for some shotgun hunting areas, it would make it a lot more versatile.
But it would seem that it would not take too much to be on the heels of the old Black Powder 38-55. I have had both the 1894 2nd year production rifle and a 1893 full rifle, what fun they were.
Just takes money.
Regards,
Roachcreek
Awesome news RC. Really can’t wait to here more about your 58. And YEAH, I’m really shocked no one has done a smaller diameter barrel on a gun like either a haley or daq or ranger to see what the gun would do. I’m sure my JH457 with a 308 barrel would be a screamer and i KNOW your 58 with a 357 barrel on it would scream.
I’ll be watching
Maw,
Yeah I am stoked, I think I will put either a 2×7 Leupold with the LR reticle on it or get a clear ridge 3×9 Mildot for it.
And of course look for a minnie mold.
I am thinking it will shoot flat for about a quarter mile and then start rising, what do you think? 😛
That will make those bulls walk backwards when they take one of those thru the lungs. 😎
Regards,
Roachcreek
great news!!
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Wlater,
Yes it does make things difficult for finding heavy bullets.
I will make a lead lap and open that mold out if need be, and sizing down 457’s to 452’s has never been a good option in my experience, and I do have experience doing that.
So you mean I can’t fill it to 18000 PSI with my shoebox if I slide the bushing over further? That is the same chamber pressure as a 45 ACP.
Can you imagine the bang that would make, not that anybody within 12 meters would hear it. 😯
Thanks again for the info yesterday and I will see if I can get the specs for that tube.
Regards,
Roachcreek