The Haley .457 is here.
My haley .457 is finally here i should have the 58 in bout 2 weeks my 457 is supposed to produce 500+fpe i got the scope mounted tonight and will shoot tomorrow and YES i Will get u guys some pics also
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Regards,
Roachcreek
The 909 barrels have always been advertised as having a 1:20 twist (like the 45-70, I believe?).
yeah benne i watched it it was badass
RC i will have to look at my book of chrony but it was making 503fpe
my molds r lee 45-70 340 and 410 grn and drop out at .458 so i size to .457
and of course there are others out there as well
add to that the Barnes guns are what? 3 times or more the price of their nearest priced competition
for that money they DAMN WELL BETTER SHOOT
Who is it that you are referring to that we all know adore their “Klingon blasters”? It read like you were responding to me at first until I read that, as I have yet to even hold a Barnes rifle. I brought them up because I was talking about the bigbores most often proven to be accurate. Not price, and not aesthetics….just talking proven accuracy there.
Simple fact is…..that the majority of the DOMESTIC bigbore airgun owners do not have any accuracy testing to share……EVER. For whatever reason, I see the accuracy of the Barnes guns on display more than all the other domestic bigbore airgun makers (probably combined). I left out the Korean guns from that statement for a reason, and that reason is that they are the bigbores that are most often proven by their owners to be accurate (I know mine is!).
RJ…..what makes you think we wouldn’t believe you when you say your rifle is accurate? I don’t recall having seen you lie in the past.
oh ya that sounds nice rj! ya’ll watch hogs gone wild the other night on discovery??? dude was nuts with that big ass great dane lol!
RJ,
What is the velocity with your 410? Is it one of the Lee Minnies.
And yeah buddy, you can shoot.
Roachcreek
ill get some groups up so far at 100yds im shooting 410grn bullets getting 1.5in 3 shot groups if u dont believe me u can kiss my ass RC knows i can shoot my zero is 30 yds and the bullet drops 23in at 100 which is the 3rd mildot in my scope and is still producing 375 fpe and u ask how do i know its because i shoot the living shit out of my guns im at over 1000 rounds down the tube and plan to keep shooting them Hog season starts here march the second – aug 29th so ill be taking my Safe queens to the woods for what there built for HUNTING
Roach:
I frankly think the damn Airgun community is guilty of attempting to reinvent the wheel all too often…
Schuetzen mid range and long range barrel smiths had accurately placing slow moving heavy slugs down range to a fine science by the late 19th Century
problem is this knowledge is utterly ignored within the AG community
who continue to think in terms of either conventional AG pellets or worse yet land, groove & twist patterns best suited to smokeless powered firearms
what needs doing is someone to start toying with Pope, better yet Maynard pattern rifling coupled possibly with a synthetic banded projectile mated to a specific twist
was tempted to have a 1.25″ heavy octagon 35″ .25 blank that was 19th century vintage turned to fit a spare condor frame…perfect bore with Maynard style lands & grooves
instead sold it with a matching mold last week for enough to purchase a new condor if I chose to, fact was it would have been sinful to destroy that particular item in my quest for more POWER
still have a pile of 19th century barrels, mostly extra heavy mid range small bores so that project isn’t off the table yet 😉
Riverside,
As usual your spot on.
I am on 8 acres here, have another vineyard 600 yards north of here that is 12 acres to shoot on. Unless I line up a big Doug Fir to put the target on to sight in only, cause continued use will kill it, or rent something on the order of a D6 to make a back stop, I don’t feel comfortable about shooting here.
Cast projectiles always take some dialing for twist rate and bore specs, buying ready made slugs is a crap shoot, but so is buying molds that don’t work out due to whatever.
The 452 is a 1-22 twist, so I know I will find something to shoot in it, but the 58 is an open question.
Air, well since I unpackaged that Shoebox, it is all arond me, just have to find some more somethings to pack it into.
So my fix is a couple ore out of date scba tanks, and a 50 mile drive to a USFS owned hillside, another reason to live in Oregon with 35 people per square mile.
Butcher, what is your twist rate?
Regards,
Roachcreek
Tend to agree somewhat…
but let’s be candid on all this
How many folks who own Firearms are out there burning ammo the way many Airgunners burn pellets?
Not many at all
two big reasons you don’t see folks posting up to yours and the requests made by others is
{a} You can’t take these things out in most back yards, just too damn dangerous not too mention loud
{b} Unless you have some sort of compressor face it, you go through air very fast
as such for most people testing and indeed use becomes limited at best
I also question your speculation regarding the large numbers of inaccurate Big Bore AGs
lets run through whats out there:
1…the Koreans, both the Career & Sam Yangs all of which are capable of impressive accuracy depending on what you are feeding them
2…DAQ, same deal…depends on what they are being fed
3…Bontrager, can’t coment on them but they were built around TOW liners which are rather proven in other applications
4…Haley, yes we all know the complaints but one thing I have seen little whining about is their accuracy
5…Barnes? Yes we all know how you adore your Klingon blasters but like ANY gun, you feed it wrong it’s not going to be very good down range.
and of course there are others out there as well
add to that the Barnes guns are what? 3 times or more the price of their nearest priced competition
for that money they DAMN WELL BETTER SHOOT
problem is due to the constraints of air consumption and finding a place to shoot few folks have the opportunity to sort there Big Bores out
any rate to assume most Big Bores other than Barnes are somehow inherently inaccurate kinda smacks of elitism of the same type voiced by the Euro supercar clan against US makes back in the day 😆
Butcher,
I am a shooter, I just can’t understand why folks get guns and never shoot them. Unfired in the box to me is just like having a unfucked beautiful woman, it makes no sence.
So you folks will see some groups from me.
Regards,
Roachcreek
Many bigbore owners probably don’t shoot their bigbores much at all. Apparently most bigbore airguns are safe queens more than anything else, and are seldom shot. Let alone tested/dialed-in to their fullest potential. Most owners are happy enough to be able to just say “she’s putting out such and such fpe” and are happy with groups over 2-3 inches@50 yards (which I find to be totally un-acceptable for an airgun).
I think the percentage of in-accurate domestic bigbore airguns is much larger than anyone would like to admit. I have posted requests for 50 yard bigbore groups elsewhere a few times over the past couple of years, and those requests have gone un-answered for the most part save a couple of guns.
Seems the most consistently accurate domestic bigbores have shown to be Barnes airguns.
In all the Black Powder shooting I did, I only bought one box of cast bullets, just to see how they looked, I returned them, they were not to my standards of + or minus 2 grains on a 500 grain slug, and they had wrinkles.
I remelted a large percentage of my bullets to obtain that, but I felt it was worth it, and I simply never took wrinkled bullets to a match, ever.
Buffalo arms in Sand Point Idaho, run by Dave Gullo, has a lot of neat molds and if you need soft bullets he has them in 1-20. I will buy some more 1-20 or 1-30 lead ingots depending on what is needed for my bullets. He is a fine man to deal with also and a Worlds Champion Creedmore shot.
Now if hard cast will work, I will buy them, for bullets that I just ran down the bore in either practical shooting or SASS, I did not cast them, didn’t have time with every thing else I was pouring at the time.
My shining pinnacle of casting and do it for yourself, was a 500 grain Lee slug I cast with my solar pannels and a Lee pot, wrapped it in bond typing papaer, before I knew better, from one of my manuscripts and heart shot a spike bull off hand at 200 yards, it was a smokeless load tho.
Regards,
Roachcreek
frankly I am of the mind that if you have $1600 to burn on the rifle having custom cherries burned in blocks should be of no consequence
reminds me of folks I knew that bought .50 BMG rifles but can’t afford to shoot them!
don’t know why Big Bore Airgunners are so hung up on buying projectiles from someone else
not sure why Dan went that size……?
Rifles such as the Gargoyle, and the XP Ranger are chambered for .452 for a good reason…. because it is by far the most practical .45 diameter to use in an air rifle.
You be stuck with the much more expensive heavy, to super-heavy slugs going with .457-.458 diameter. There is a MUCH larger range of weights/molds available on the market (for CHEAP) that are designed to perform closer to the velocity’s the Ranger obtains (especially the .45Colt slugs), from the super light (.45ACP), to super-heavy (400+grain .454Casull boolits).
The .45Ranger duplicates popular .45Colt handloads in power. Can’t think of a single critter in North America that the .45 Ranger couldn’t kill pretty quick using a lil’ ol’ 330grain .45Colt slug. If you want a heavier slug than that in .452, there’s always the 400+grain .454Casull boolits, along with some 500+grain muzzleloader conicals designed for sizing to .451
I’ll post some ammo links here before to long.
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Man that thing is gonna put a hurtn on a lil piggy! It’s no .17 pba though 😆