The Haley .457 is here.
My haley .457 is finally here i should have the 58 in bout 2 weeks my 457 is supposed to produce 500+fpe i got the scope mounted tonight and will shoot tomorrow and YES i Will get u guys some pics also
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Hey RS,
Why don’t you list every bit of airgun related crap you own in your signature? It would be really really neat to know just how many air tanks you own! 😆 😆
Lake Michigan should in NO WAY be confused with the conditions on Lake Superior
That’s about like an inflatable kiddie wading pool as far as surface conditions are concerned
are you familiar with Google?
I suggest you try it out before you sink ever deeper in this morass of juvenile ignorance. 🙄 incredible 🙄
2/ I dont think its necessary for someone to have to produce something to qualify them in making criticism.
sure but these guy has taken it to a new POLE SMOKING LEVEL -!!!!!
nope, not buying that either sonny…
Oceans are a great deal different than our larger lakes here in the Midwest. Those that know, read folks that actually have years of experience on the Sea regard Lake Superior as about the most trecherous body of navigable water on the Planet and Lake of the Woods isn’t a great improvement over that
again it’s all about wave frequency…no one is stupid enough to take a personal watercraft out in those waters
Tell you what, since you are such a Costal Commando I can hook you up with some real crazy bastards that surf Superior well into October in Dry Suit…just don’t get caught in the undertow. A number of years back a body washed up on the North Shore. When the Lake County Coronor was unable to figure it out they brought in the State Historical Society. Turned out it was a French Voyageur that went under in the 1700s and remained caught in currents near lake bottom until Gitchi Goomi finally decided to cough up one of its victims
in short you coastal faries have never impressed me a great deal 😉
Want to impress me? Lets see you take your idiot Jet Ski from Duluth MN to Thunder Bay Ontario
will be the last we will hear of you on TAG, can promise that kid 😆 😆 😆
as far as your challenge to build an AG that out performs the Ranger XP I think most here will agree the Big Bore TD2000 Talon I inspired and had Blods as well as Tadgaggers assistance on the parts trumps anything McVey has built in terms of raw brute killing force
try broadheads at over 600 FPS
Based on actual experience this is one nasty weapon and it’s not near done yet.
in any event I do plan on building a few proper Big Bore rifles from scratch in the very near future. After I get settled in up north and get the shop reorganized you can count on some unique one off, perhaps even a integrally moderated, select-fire Big Bore
Danny, you seem to think the Ranger is something unique
it simply is not…it’s simply another rehash of the old Cap’t Chur tranquilzer dart rifle.
Here is something from back in the early 80s when you were just a glimmer in your Daddies eye for you to consider
and yes I do own one still minty in the wood chest
style sucks but the operational principle remains totally sound, never understood why there isn’t more interest in an advanced variant of the Damn Casselman
these shoot wonderfully and are about as powerful as the vaunted Corsair in a select-fire automatic platform
A well finished clone of the Casselman would have the high end AG crowd lined up if it was under 3K
hell, I have turned down $4500.00 for my original cased set
but back to basics, no matter how loudly you continue to screech and troll about Haley, McVey has made some serious boners too
unretained valve stem with no return spring indeed 🙄
HA ! HA ! like i said before punk , you are a POLE SMOKER ! ! WE USE TO RACE AT LAKE MICHIGAN- it was a part of the national tour at ZION ! – DUMB FAWCK
this proves once and for all you are just a big BIG BULL SHITTER !
I HAVE JET SKIED THERE BEFORE , this guy is dumber than a rock !
well for a “man” in his 40s you sure do depend on current Junior High School verbage Danny 😆 😆 😆
nope, not buying that either sonny…
Oceans are a great deal different than our larger lakes here in the Midwest. Those that know, read folks that actually have years of experience on the Sea regard Lake Superior as about the most trecherous body of navigable water on the Planet and Lake of the Woods isn’t a great improvement over that
again it’s all about wave frequency…no one is stupid enough to take a personal watercraft out in those waters
Tell you what, since you are such a Costal Commando I can hook you up with some real crazy bastards that surf Superior well into October in Dry Suit…just don’t get caught in the undertow. A number of years back a body washed up on the North Shore. When the Lake County Coronor was unable to figure it out they brought in the State Historical Society. Turned out it was a French Voyageur that went under in the 1700s and remained caught in currents near lake bottom until Gitchi Goomi finally decided to cough up one of its victims
in short you coastal faries have never impressed me a great deal 😉
Want to impress me? Lets see you take your idiot Jet Ski from Duluth MN to Thunder Bay Ontario
will be the last we will hear of you on TAG, can promise that kid 😆 😆 😆
as far as your challenge to build an AG that out performs the Ranger XP I think most here will agree the Big Bore TD2000 Talon I inspired and had Blods as well as Tadgaggers assistance on the parts trumps anything McVey has built in terms of raw brute killing force
try broadheads at over 600 FPS
Based on actual experience this is one nasty weapon and it’s not near done yet.
in any event I do plan on building a few proper Big Bore rifles from scratch in the very near future. After I get settled in up north and get the shop reorganized you can count on some unique one off, perhaps even a integrally moderated, select-fire Big Bore
Danny, you seem to think the Ranger is something unique
it simply is not…it’s simply another rehash of the old Cap’t Chur tranquilzer dart rifle.
Here is something from back in the early 80s when you were just a glimmer in your Daddies eye for you to consider
and yes I do own one still minty in the wood chest
style sucks but the operational principle remains totally sound, never understood why there isn’t more interest in an advanced variant of the Damn Casselman
these shoot wonderfully and are about as powerful as the vaunted Corsair in a select-fire automatic platform
A well finished clone of the Casselman would have the high end AG crowd lined up if it was under 3K
hell, I have turned down $4500.00 for my original cased set
but back to basics, no matter how loudly you continue to screech and troll about Haley, McVey has made some serious boners too
unretained valve stem with no return spring indeed 🙄
1/ There is NO need to made 3 threads…. It is possibly to make the one thread and add the quotes to address the three threads in question and..
2/ I dont think its necessary for someone to have to produce something to qualify them in making criticism.
I am partially reasponsible for planting the initial seeds that developed into several AG products as well as a few one off monsters that I continue to refine…stick in the mud I am not 😉
OK you race jet skis…the reason I never commented was I grew up around that crap, Artco & Polaris are my backyard, can’t count the race sleds I have owned over the years: performance RVs are nothing unique when you live in the Jack Pine barrens of extreme Northern MN although personal watercraft are about worthless on any major body of water here…same with tri hulls, House boats and any thing other than a deep V hull design…crest to trough depth and frequency simply precludes their use on the larger lakes
good for puttering around on our rivers & creeks…problem is the best areas for them all are no wake regulated.
Here’s a tidbit for you…in a couple years most all Polaris products will be off shore manufacture…company is under new ownership and they seem intent on moving production from Roseau MN to the new plant they are building in Mexico.
anyways my experience isn’t with personal RVs
its well over three decades as a gunsmith & vendor of firearms.
I’d say that puts me a bit ahead of the curve from some nose picker kid into these things he only just discovered & finds neat & cool…muchless some machinist who has little to no actual background in arms, air or otherwise.
I didn’t want to start bashing McVey but after Tof mentioned his Corsair issues I did a bit of research into similar problems reported in a number of online communities. Seems McVey really screwed the pooch on those guns…I mean who the hell would design a valve with no return spring on the valve stem, moreover no retainer for said stem? Big problem there when you run this system out of air as it seems the valve stem just falls right out of the valve housing!
To complicate matters further these guns that folks paid their hard earned dollars for are near totally closed architecture…sealed units not designed for being taken apart
Figure thats a major factor why the Corsair is out of production
again cases of Extremely poor design regardless of how well he machined them or the quality of materials used. As rough as some of the Haley guns may have been you don’t see crap like this on them
That type of mess is the product of someone attempting to reinvent the wheel when they have little expertise in that field young Danny
Anyways if you are going to crow about a few past Jack Haley failures being “ripoffs” of consumers, you best include Dan McVeys Corsair as another fine example of investing good money in a bad product.
Crazy thing is is that there was absolutely no reason for McVey to do a two piece tube or design an inferior valve…all he needed to do was manufacture a one piece tube with an end fill and modify the stock QB valve!
remember the same fertile mind that developed the first AG valve without a return spring or retainer is the mind that came up with using allen bolt heads for sear engagement points on his new uber schnitzel Ranger
not a design track record I am envious of or that you should be impressed by sonny.
Hell Tof is so disilluioned by both Haley AND McVey he seems to be swearing off any future custom big bore purchase and shouldn’t he know having been 2 or 3 times biten?
again the valve stem that falls out of the body when the rifle is fully discharged speaks absolute volumes for McVeys lack of expertise in this field when he designed that valve.
I can only hope for my friend Roach that there has been a learning curve with those past failures.
Here on TAG we have a bit of experience with this sort of crap Danny…
a year or two back Blod in the UK was unable to keep up with the demand for his wonderful high flo AF valves so pretty much out of goodness of heart he allowed a cat in Texas, SlephB to offer clones of those valves. On the surface they did look extremely nice but the problem was SlephB slightly changed some demensions on the stem which weakened them and then used the wrong alloy resulting in a spate of broken stems in his valves
Sleph was a credible craftsman he just had Zero experience with Air Guns and thats what comes from folks thinking outside of what THEY know.
sorry to burst your bubble head kid
naw…not really 😆 😆 😆
you think i am a kid ? you are a complete idiot i am in my 40’s , we ride our ski’s in some of the most insane conditions there is ,
OCEAN , California , Oregon , Washington Columbia river the Gorge area , you sure do not know a dam thing about personal watercraft by what you have posted , your simply to slow to know !
and again until you build a better gun than the xp-ranger you are just bloviating/blowing SMOKE !
we are talking above your young years here
the basic trigger design remains the same between older DAQs, Haley’s, Bontragers and yes even the vaunted Ranger
only difference is McVey stuck some allen head bolts in where he should have been machining metal
I don’t give much of a hoot about this Ceramic poop you keep spouting either…been using Cerrakote for years son, before Brownells started carrying the product
It is good but this crap about how it decreases friction is severely over rated…it is simply a damn PAINT with ceramic particles and as good as it is for it’s resistance to the elements it simply is not that resistant on moving parts…you want that try industrial Hard Chome…not a lousy paint.
Want to know why these spray & bake finishes have become popular?
any assclown with an abrasive blaster and a decent air brush or HVLP gun can do a damn nice refinish…lot less hassle than hot dip tanks and no EPA bullshit. Add to that most of the clowns promoting paint could never do a proper hand polish.
CNC? who cares? Nose pickers like you think the best way to do things is CAD/CAM…sad truth is American firearms were built to far finer tolerences a century ago than they are today
if you care to argue that particular point you will prove your ass as one total novice
CNC improved production speed and put craftsman machinists out to pasture
CNC did not make every jackass with the technology a craftsman
Hey Dummy, you opened the door by flapping your cocksucker about a pair of guns you have never even held, muchless shot or owned
further the XP is such a new product I am not buying this thousands of shots either
as far as no complaints yet, only a few folks have mentioned McVeys junk valve design in the Corsair but it is in every damn one he made and pawned off on the unsuspecting public. Frankly he should have the nuts to redesign that valve and recall everyone out there for a free upgrade on his dime don’t cha’ think?
NEXT! 🙄
What a bunch of babbling bullshit ,
i got and idea for ya punk ! make a airgun that out performs the XP ranger guns , until you do it your just A POLE SMOKER ,BLOWING SMOKE IN THE AIR !
that can not stand the thought of someone thinking outside of what they know , and think they know it all !
Making this statement about this particular forum speaks volumes as to just how much you do not know.
Thinking outside of what you know is just fine…..that’s how you learn. The trick is not to “know” outside of what you know.
SON i will stick by my statement ” a bunch of old grandmas stuck in the mud ! “
That’s Jack…a true gentleman Walt
Yes seen a couple of your tubes…the one that sticks in my mind was the one on that 9mm DAQ upper…nice work, I just never cared for probes
Have one I am building, same 9mm DAQ upper on a Colthran stainless tube, B&A valve, MA endfill and Blue Fork lower with a Pierce 1911 grip adapter fitted with diamond checkered rosewood scales. Hoping to get the power up for at least a couple powerful shots but just not much internal volume in that short disco tube.
Airgunning is a great bit of fun but it always makes me do the ol’ eye roll over the inane sensitivity I regularly see regarding commenting on plain bad design online
classic don’t tell the Emperor that he is butt naked walking down the street
I can see your own attitude though sometimes different than my own runs a similar course based on many of your dry humored comments
thats a fine thing as there are too many that don’t want to rock the boat
oh and yeah while I do like Dennis’ metal work I totally loathed his asthetic sense when it came to things like trigger guards & stocks
major fuglyness on the order of most of the current Crosman products 🙄
Danny Danny Dannyboy…
we are talking above your young years here
the basic trigger design remains the same between older DAQs, Haley’s, Bontragers and yes even the vaunted Ranger
only difference is McVey stuck some allen head bolts in where he should have been machining metal
I don’t give much of a hoot about this Ceramic poop you keep spouting either…been using Cerrakote for years son, before Brownells started carrying the product
It is good but this crap about how it decreases friction is severely over rated…it is simply a damn PAINT with ceramic particles and as good as it is for it’s resistance to the elements it simply is not that resistant on moving parts…you want that try industrial Hard Chome…not a lousy paint.
Want to know why these spray & bake finishes have become popular?
any assclown with an abrasive blaster and a decent air brush or HVLP gun can do a damn nice refinish…lot less hassle than hot dip tanks and no EPA bullshit. Add to that most of the clowns promoting paint could never do a proper hand polish.
CNC? who cares? Nose pickers like you think the best way to do things is CAD/CAM…sad truth is American firearms were built to far finer tolerences a century ago than they are today
if you care to argue that particular point you will prove your ass as one total novice
CNC improved production speed and put craftsman machinists out to pasture
CNC did not make every jackass with the technology a craftsman
Hey Dummy, you opened the door by flapping your cocksucker about a pair of guns you have never even held, muchless shot or owned
further the XP is such a new product I am not buying this thousands of shots either
as far as no complaints yet, only a few folks have mentioned McVeys junk valve design in the Corsair but it is in every damn one he made and pawned off on the unsuspecting public. Frankly he should have the nuts to redesign that valve and recall everyone out there for a free upgrade on his dime don’t cha’ think?
NEXT! 🙄
Jim, did you ever see any of the PCP stuff I made?
Back before Jack started he emailed me back and forth a fair bit on how to build. Also checked with me to see if I would mind that he enter the PCP tube field. That indeed was a nice gesture. Very different from MountainAir did.
There is a Canadian making some very sweet Tubes IIRC he goes by Derekvineyard…. 🙂
DAQ still has it in for me when I made a comment about his Cooey trigger guards. He must have taken the hint as he now makes a much nicer solid guard. 🙂
Ain’t this airgunning fun!
Walter….
that can not stand the thought of someone thinking outside of what they know , and think they know it all !
Making this statement about this particular forum speaks volumes as to just how much you do not know.
Thinking outside of what you know is just fine…..that’s how you learn. The trick is not to “know” outside of what you know.
Walter:
not sure what Dennis uses currently however his older trigger units were no lever units just like the old Haley and the current McVey units
frankly we are talking less than medieval Crosbow lockwork…some of these makers could learn a great deal studying those simple designs, heck even Chinese Crosbow lockwork from a couple thousand years back is superior.
Dennis changed things up a number of times over the years, have seen at least two distinct trigger groups on his earlier Big Bores and suspect the current runs are different yet…can’t say for certain though.
Now Haley like Bontrager first got in the game by doing conversions on QBs…those are the up to .32 rifles. As such those guns like the Corsair use QB 78 trigger groups with new or modified bolts and a PCP tube and valve of their own design. Haley and Bontrager used standard style valves in one piece tubes, McVey uses a two piece tube with one really screwy poorly designed valve…best of the three was probably Bontrager.
Now when Haley went real Big Bore with the first .452’s he came up with a two piece tube similar to what McVey copied but abandoned that for the one piece tube on his current rifles…just too many problems with the two piece tube and a great deal of un-needed production time.
Anyways Jack did a simple trigger/sear set up similar to the DAQs and just recently upgraded to a real quality unit. I will post up some pix in the next few days once I am home.
Walt, I can’t tell you how many makers I have suggested abandoning these crap triggers and exploring the use of readily available comercial adjustable units intended for various firearms…just don’t understand why they refuse to get with the program as they really are not saving much in production cost of their end products
maybe Jack listened, maybe I just planted that seed too?
as far as the Compasseco tubes I don’t exactly know who was responsible there. Web rumor was it was some local to them machine shop that knocked off Jacks tubes and they installed the stock QB CO2 valve which went to hell in a handbasket in short order…just not up to 3K air. Think there may be some old posts on this on the Chinese forum regarding origin. Sweetest QB tube I have was one I snagged off Brads that was allegedly Canuck manufacture…was set up for a Crosman Disco endfill and screw retained QB valve. Another one who built a couple very nice QB tubes was Colthran who did much the same using his stainless 2260 tube as a basis with of course different cuts, know for a fact he has done at least one.
not sure about the relationship between Leroy and Dan and you are correct, not much smoke being blown about the Gargoyle which given it’s stats never did impress me that much.
I am enjoying the Ranger hype on Dan’s site!
such as…
No need to tune…well probably because you CAN’T and despite his prattle, a multi position striker has nothing to do with tuning in the first place.
my favorite is this nonsence about quick caliber change
look one can pull just TWO screws on most bolt action firearms and detach the barreled reciever from the rest of the gun and swap on a different top end
if thats not a quick caliber change than neither is McVey’s false advertising on the Ranger…
then again I suppose I am splitting hairs again
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Now that should be on our Home Page or at least a T-Shirt 😀 😀 😀 😀