The new Talon P

Shaggy, what is the tophat setting on the two valves? You hiflo valve in particular…

I can take two hiflo valves and they may shoot differently, doesn’t mean that one is better than the other. It just means the tophat settings on the valve are different or the return spring retainer is set differently…

I can set up a hiflo valve to shoot a 30 grain pellet at 700fps and setup a Talon valve to shoot the same pellet at 850fps… Can I state that the Talon valve is actually a higher power valve? Sure if I wanted to skew the results…

I used a hand pump and ran my tanks down to 1800 all the time. If the rifle doesn’t go off the poi with the loss of air pressure why pump again for no reason. Your actually pumping more the way you were doing it…

AG1, you can’t compare the efficiency of these two valves because the tanks sizes are different. Until both valves can be put in the same tank it’s just pure randomness. You also HAVE to fire the pellets at the same velocity to test the efficiency of the valves.

Or like saying, my 44 cf tank with a larger hole in the 300din valve releases more air than my 88 cf tank with a smaller hole in the din300 valve… All that means is they are not set up for comparison…

To test the valve you need to set up the tophat so both valves are shooting the same pellet at the same speed, shoot ten shots out of the same sized bottle and measure the starting and ending pressures. Which ever valve uses LESS air is more efficient…

If you want to see which has more power then you max out the tophat settings until the max velocity is reached. You should be able to get more juice out of the hiflo valve with making the tophat gap larger than what Shaggy is currently getting.

Until we get some tophat measurements his tests mean absolutely nothing. 😉

That’s pretty close, I had over $600 in mine when I built it.
on Airforce site if you use the Talon SS and the above you’ll have $589.90 and a market shroud would cost all together $128.95= $718.85 but why buy all the noise supressers if you are after a short gun? A shroud would be nice around the neighborhood, but in the woods it wouldn’t make any difference.
But I have the long tony shroud and use it on my stubby too. But the Talon-P I just let it ring out LOLOL.
Futher test shows at 25.4 grains diablo, I get 20 shots over 800 fps at the muzel. and it drops down to the high 700’ds and I check it and I still have 1500 PSI in the tank. Small tank but holds up good.
I figured it on about 70 pounds of air per shot. That’s with the condor set up weight instaled and that’s about it. I don’t think that can be beet at that price. The 35 grain ej’s seem to be the best for accuracy but the 43 grains work well too. The Kodiaks 30 grains seem to hold a good group with a couple flyers,, I don’t like flyers,,They are all close then a flyer, might be me ,,, 😀

Sounds like a heck of nice little carbine for the price. I need an airgun at the ready on my cedar mantle in the great room for critter shots in the front of the house that is small. Right now I have a Sheridan pump pistol but that sounds like a winner.

It’s very light I didn’t wiegh it, but it sounds close you can hold it out all day.
Take Note!!! They used the talon hammer weight.
What I did was try both valves in my SS that has the condor extra weight installed.
25 caliber,,, the small valve outshot the big tank high flow in FPS,,, 776.2 on the small tank, and 759 on the high flow condor tank.
I got the same readings when I installed the hammer weight in the Talon-P.
57.8 Foot pounds with the small tank and 55.27 in the Condor tank.
So consistantly the small tank will out perform the big tank in FPS using the 43.2 EJ pellets.
With the 25.4 Diablo pellets I get 880 FPS on the 4’th shot, excuse me but I didn’t fill it back to the 3000 on that test but it will do more. Thhat would be 43.68 Foot pounds of energy on the 4’th shot with the Diablo exacts.
So if you order the gun also order the hammer weight too.
Then you can take a lot of pressure off of the hammer spring, the gun came set on 12, I’m getting this on 8.8 with the 43.2 EJ’s and setting at 3.7 with the 25.4 Diablos thats a lot of tension off of the spring on the hammer and the gun doesn’t have any vibration and it is acctually more quieter,””If you call this thing Quiet 😀 It is as loud as the Talon SS on high befor it was as loud as a 22 powder burner 😀 I don’t know why Airforce didn’t put in the extra hammer weight, cause the gun will definatly out perfom the condor tank weight for weight on the top hat.
OK that’s it guys,, best I can do, and the gun is definatly accurate. What I suggest you do is take the Barrel plum out of the gun upon arrival, and clean it real good, and use some slick fifty on the Orings, and clean it real well, also check the bushings and make sure they are tight, and install them with medium locktite,,I got mine at Walmarts, in the blue tube.
I like the gun, and I used the 3000 fill this time so all’s well that ends well. 😀

If you’r looking for a stubby cheep, order the Talon-P and buy the High flow tank.
The stubby I put together was well over $600, and all I got was the Talon-P with a bigger tank. If I was using a hand pump, that small tank would sure look good to me, I shot my Discovery with a hand pump, and all I shot was ten shots and refilled, that way it was a lot easier and faster on my worn out hands 😀

Damn it Syn, that’s my quote.

That will be $00.15 .

I really need to test the difference on my Condor 25 between the RL valve stem and the Condor valve stem.

I was hoping that new direct flow valve could be ordered and I could get all the energy out of my tank in ten shots.

BTW, I shot 30 shots today on low power with .451 RB in the Ranger and went thru 1500 PSI in my 44 cf tank. 😯

Good thing I have a Shoebox.

Roachcreek

Oh yeah…Thought his follow up remarks then referenced the R&L Extreme Valve and wasn’t sure if that was a side comment or a clarification. Just didn’t want some confusion before he re-shot.

The Hi-Flow (Condor) vs. the Direct Flow (Talon P) is of major interest.