WARNING: Do You Own A FrankEdstein EdGun?
To the airgun community:
I believe this is a necessary post here because of the poor business ethics that Dr. FrankEdstein poses on the airgun community. Your investment is at risk here. Notice I said ‘IS’ at risk because it certainly is.
Here’s my take on the situation. I believe and with good cause that Ed is after only one thing and that is your money. He doesn’t stand behind his product but most of the ass-kissers on here think that he does. How quickly we forget about the fiasco we had regarding the damaged guns being delivered and no resolution in sight for that issue. It took this forum to post a ‘sticky’ and many months before the resolution was in place. In my books, that is not customer service.
Here is the thread you all seem to have forgotten:
http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=24031
Moving right along here, there are many of us who own FrankEdsteins! What is a FranEdstein? It is a cobbled together Edgun using left over parts from other models with new parts to create the illusion of a new model. Were we ever notified of this incarnation? No, none of us were but Ed sold them to us while he moved out old inventory which he could no longer sell. This is fact gentlemen. They were having difficulty selling singe shot Edguns because the multi-shot was being released and they wanted the same money for the single shot as they did for the multi shot. Greed!
So what is a FrankEdstein?
There was an over abundance of R3’s in stock which are single shot guns. What they did was take the gun assembly and remove the single shot capability and then added a new multi-shot upgrade to the single shot gun and put this into a new R3M wood stock. The single shot gun assembly is shown in photo #1 below without the cut-out for the magazines.
The new genuine multi-shot R3M is shown in photo #2 which clearly shows the cut-outs for the magazines.
Now, ask yourself this question: if you want a multi-shot, which model do you want? Obviously model #2 because it has the space for the magazines and was manufactured for this purpose. Would you want a multi-shot with the single shot frame and no place to put the magazines? Of course not, especially since there is a model that has the cut-outs.
Well gentlemen, we all invested $2k in these FrankEdsteins and which model do you think will hold resale value and be more in demand? Certainly not the Model #1.
Were we told about this? Were we offered the opportunity to make a choice? Was there even a slight discount for the Model #1 because it was a FrankEdstein? The answers are No, No and No!
I’m sure some of the ass-kissers own FrankEdsteins and they’re probably thrilled and proud to be able to own the FrankEdstein.
To illustrate Dr. FrankEdstein’s contempt and arrogance to the airgun community we post some of his comments below for your reading pleasure:
Mr. Ed stated, that he has“the right to change everything in the gun without noticing the clients”! And then he adds more BS as long as “the changes are pointed to improve the gun”!
He really means as long as the changes are pointed to improve Ed’s financial wealth.
Mr. Ed is a disgrace not to mention highly unethical and dishonest. Let me explain…
Mr. Ed does have the right to change the gun and he does have the right to run his business his way but he does not have the right to take advantage of his clients nor does he have the right to be sneaky as he is. Honest, respectful and ethical businessmen would notify the client that a new model is also available and offer the client the choice. Offering the client, the choice is not in Mr. Ed’s best interest because he needed to move out single shot assemblies! And, he see’s nothing wrong with clients being frustrated; read on and you’ll see my point.
He then has the audacity to state, “can you imagine how the last buyers of single shot Matadors were frustrated when they saw in a couple of weeks that someone got multi shot Matador for the same price”.
And, he sees nothing wrong with that and has the audacity to publish it.
He doesn’t care as long as whatever you do puts money in his pocket and as long as it is best for Ed.
Friends: once you fork over the hard cold cash, you are on your own. To this, Dr. FranEdstein counters with I will refund you if the gun is in ‘new condition’. No one has a new gun 10 minutes after they open the box. In my case, I put a rail on the stock for a bipod and Dr. FrankEdsteing knows that we all do this. Dr. FrankEdstein knows this and as such his ‘refund’ is hollow. He did offer a refund for the gun assembly minus the stock which is unacceptable because I have no use for the stock. He sold me a FrankEdstein gun with cocking and indexing issues. It is a bastard gun. I own 4 Edgun’s. All previous models were fine so I expected this one to function properly as well. It did not and as such the manufacturer has the responsibility to refund in full as no other guns are available. If you get a good gun, great but I’m the living proof that if there is an issue, you are on your own.
FrankEdstein guns anyone?
WE’LL CALL THIS MODEL #1
WE’LL CALL THIS ONE MODEL #2
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MG, please refresh my memory, you say the gun doesnt work properly. What aspect of the gun doesnt work?
Not accepting that discredits your legitimate complaint to an improper working action. You were offered a resolution minus the part you altered.
I understand your frustration but your tactics have become extremely childish and
downright an embarrassment to any normal right minded individual in the airgun community
let alone humanity.
We obviously disagree and that’s fine. I drilled the stock, no question about that. If the gun was up to standards we would not be here drilled or otherwise. The fact remains that due to the manufacturers fault and due to no fault of mine, the gun does not work properly and I should not lose one cent for purchasing a faulty gun; period.
Now, you can go back to:
Lol.. I lead ass holes do I? then get back in line you not the only ass hole with a say..
As an agent in the network I know more than you think and will most I will never speak of just because of people like yourself who like to be centre of attention with nothing but a mass of bad language and negativity in your wake.
So your dealer couldnt sell his single shots so ordered and fitted multi shot breeches to sell them and somehow you have an issue with Ed?
You are a confused little man indeed.
As the R3M and R3 are identical there is absolutely no issues with fitting a multi shot breach to the older R3 and people who received these guns still got brand new guns.. I see no issue here… In fact this is exactly what people will be doing when the m/s conversion kit is available in the new year.
Eds latest batch has the mag storage grooves..mine dont.. so what? they still both store mags..
Your behaviour is comical and Im with Ed on this one… laughing.
IMO considering your behaviour Tony and Eds offer is more than generous..
Is “FrankEDstein” patented or copyrighted or whatever I wonder… Aaah what the hell I’ll steal and copy it as the ill character thief I am
Dr. 👿
Not accepting that discredits your legitimate complaint to an improper working action. You were offered a resolution minus the part you altered.
I understand your frustration but your tactics have become extremely childish and
downright an embarrassment to any normal right minded individual in the airgun community
let alone humanity.
You make it sound like there are gaping holes in the stock when there is a small rail. Regardless of this fact, the gun didn’t and doesn’t function properly and as such, the manufacturer, if they were ethical, would gladly refund in full. I certainly would if the situation was reversed. The fact that he specifically said, refund “if new” shows me he never had any intention of refunding in the first place. He knew his out. Instead he allowed himself all this for $150 and that my friend is an unethical individual. As the manufacturer, he could have sold the gun with the stock and rail for the same money when he repaired the gun or slightly discounted. Nope, he doesn’t want to lost $1. He wants me to take the loss which is his fault in the first place.
Where do I imply gaping holes? Come on now MG. I’m beginning to think you stop taking your meds.
You drilled the stock. Accept responsibility in it.
No manufacture is under obligation to accept back damaged or modified product in its entirety.
If he did consider him going above and beyond, it has nothing to do with ethics, it’s business.
But he didn’t and you have resorted to terrorist consumer tactics.
The facts are the gun doesn’t work properly and you are well within your right to expect replacement or refund minus the stock you altered from a like new condition.
Second: did you see all the guns in the USA distributor’s garage? The answer is no. I did.
Third: did you see the large box filled with upgrade units in the garage? The answer is no. I did.
Fourth: did you see the distributor putting together mixed units for sale? The answer is no. I did.
Fifth: did you talk to the distributor while in his garage? The answer is no. I did.
Sixth: did the distributor tell you he had an over abundance of single shots? The answer is no. He told me.
Seventh: did you also find out that the single shots are not now selling well due to the multi-shots being released and therefore why units are being upgrade. Did you know any of that? Obviously not. I did.
MG:
Allow me two questions please:
1. Is your problematic gun one of the above mentioned ?
2. Were the above mentioned guns of .25 cal or .22 ? (or a mix).
Cheers
Trygve 😀
Not accepting that discredits your legitimate complaint to an improper working action. You were offered a resolution minus the part you altered.
I understand your frustration but your tactics have become extremely childish and
downright an embarrassment to any normal right minded individual in the airgun community
let alone humanity.
You make it sound like there are gaping holes in the stock when there is a small rail. Regardless of this fact, the gun didn’t and doesn’t function properly and as such, the manufacturer, if they were ethical, would gladly refund in full. I certainly would if the situation was reversed. The fact that he specifically said, refund “if new” shows me he never had any intention of refunding in the first place. He knew his out. Instead he allowed himself all this for $150 and that my friend is an unethical individual. As the manufacturer, he could have sold the gun with the stock and rail for the same money when he repaired the gun or slightly discounted. Nope, he doesn’t want to lost $1. He wants me to take the loss which is his fault in the first place.
Seriously MG. You drilled holes in the stock. You own it. Be a grown up and accept that part of it.
Not accepting that discredits your legitimate complaint to an improper working action. You were offered a resolution minus the part you altered.
I understand your frustration but your tactics have become extremely childish and
downright an embarrassment to any normal right minded individual in the airgun community
let alone humanity.
are you for real?
please tell me what other manufacturers ‘warn’ people about new models or changes? How often have you bought something and then 2/3 weeks later the price drops or you find it has a new model…
it happens in every industry everyday. If they did warn people about changes they would be left with a pile of bits and no one who wants them… it can’t happen.
I’m sure Ed does well on his rifle business (and rightly so… they are fantastic and you have to agree because you have 4 of them) but I really don’t see how you can criticise him in this case.
Do you own an Edgun? You’ve been on here for a short time and you have opinions already. Well, you need to read the problem before you make comments about an issue to which you certainly do not have a clear understanding of which is quite clear.
Additionally, this is not about items selling for less2 weeks later. And if it was, most legitimate businesses will refund the difference when presented with a sales receipt from a prior purchase.
I do have an edgun
are you for real?
please tell me what other manufacturers ‘warn’ people about new models or changes? How often have you bought something and then 2/3 weeks later the price drops or you find it has a new model…
it happens in every industry everyday. If they did warn people about changes they would be left with a pile of bits and no one who wants them… it can’t happen.
I’m sure Ed does well on his rifle business (and rightly so… they are fantastic and you have to agree because you have 4 of them) but I really don’t see how you can criticise him in this case.
Do you own an Edgun? You’ve been on here for a short time and you have opinions already. Well, you need to read the problem before you make comments about an issue to which you certainly do not have a clear understanding of which is quite clear.
Additionally, this is not about items selling for less2 weeks later. And if it was, most legitimate businesses will refund the difference when presented with a sales receipt from a prior purchase.
There was an over abundance of R3’s in stock which are single shot guns. What they did was take the gun assembly and remove the single shot capability and then added a new multi-shot upgrade to the single shot gun and put this into a new R3M wood stock. The single shot gun assembly is shown in photo #1 below without the cut-out for the magazines.
The new genuine multi-shot R3M is shown in photo #2 which clearly shows the cut-outs for the magazines.
Now, ask yourself this question: if you want a multi-shot, which model do you want? Obviously model #2 because it has the space for the magazines and was manufactured for this purpose. Would you want a multi-shot with the single shot frame and no place to put the magazines? Of course not, especially since there is a model that has the cut-outs.
And you have the stones to call Ed a liar? I know for a fact that there were no single shots left when the production of multishots started. My batch was even before your batch and I had a customer that wanted a single shot but Ed could not supply me with one… now if he had an abundance of single shot actions he had removed why would he not offer me one of these? Simple… you are talking shit to push your case and con people to take your side..
Secondly, please remove your head from your ass just for long enough to take one of your mags and slip it under your riser rail (version 1)..
Fancy that.. it fits??? You know yourself that both designs are capable of storing mags here, grooves or no grooves. yet more bullshit to pass your lips..
You siad it yourself in your review..
“Either this is an issue with all new R3M’s or perhaps mine is a lemon, the exchange will prove which it is. I think mine is a lemon because I was shooting with a friend and his was far different than mine.”
There maybe an issue with your rife but 99% of them opperate perfectly. What a pathetic attempt to scare people into thinking the all R3Ms are no good.
Any credabillity your posts had has now gone as you are now just posting pure lies.
So your friends R3M is fine but yours isnt? but somehow this makes all R3M’s a problem?
Ed has offered a full refund to anyone not happy with his products.. It seems you are the only one still wining like a school girl instead of taking him up on this offer and moving on.
Everyone wonders why my language is colorful and the answer to that is because there are no other words to describe assholes to which you sir, are the leader of the pack. I didn’t want to bring this up because it involved the seller of the Edguns who just happens to live 1 hour from me.
First: you don’t have a freaking clue. Were you in the USA distributor’s garage with over 60 or 70 guns? The answer is no you weren’t. I was.
Second: did you see all the guns in the USA distributor’s garage? The answer is no. I did.
Third: did you see the large box filled with upgrade units in the garage? The answer is no. I did.
Fourth: did you see the distributor putting together mixed units for sale? The answer is no. I did.
Fifth: did you talk to the distributor while in his garage? The answer is no. I did.
Sixth: did the distributor tell you he had an over abundance of single shots? The answer is no. He told me.
Seventh: did you also find out that the single shots are not now selling well due to the multi-shots being released and therefore why units are being upgrade. Did you know any of that? Obviously not. I did.
And lastly, you pinhead: Ed never offered me a full refund. He offered a partial refund because he is an unethical individual and doesn’t stand behind the product he manufactures. If he did, he would refund in full for something he manufactured that didn’t work regardless what was or wasn’t done to the stock.
You need to take your head out of Ed’s ass and mind your own business because you’re out of the loop here in the USA. I’m not trying to scare anyone. I’m making people aware that once they let go of their money they can kiss it good bye because Ed is not parting with it come hell or high water.
As far as the distributor – there is no problem.
My problem is with the manufacturer who thinks he walks on water and doesn’t have a clue about customer service. All he wants is your money in his pocket and good luck after that,
So what is a FrankEdstein?
There was an over abundance of R3’s in stock which are single shot guns. What they did was take the gun assembly and remove the single shot capability and then added a new multi-shot upgrade to the single shot gun and put this into a new R3M wood stock. The single shot gun assembly is shown in photo #1 below without the cut-out for the magazines.
The new genuine multi-shot R3M is shown in photo #2 which clearly shows the cut-outs for the magazines.
Now, ask yourself this question: if you want a multi-shot, which model do you want? Obviously model #2 because it has the space for the magazines and was manufactured for this purpose. Would you want a multi-shot with the single shot frame and no place to put the magazines? Of course not, especially since there is a model that has the cut-outs.
And you have the stones to call Ed a liar? I know for a fact that there were no single shots left when the production of multi shots started. My batch was even before your batch and I had a customer that wanted a single shot but Ed could not supply me with one… now if he had an abundance of single shot actions he had removed why would he not offer me one of these? Simple… you are talking shit to push your case and con people to take your side..
Secondly, please remove your head from your ass just for long enough to take one of your mags and slip it under your riser rail (version 1)..
Fancy that.. it fits??? You know yourself that both designs are capable of storing mags here, grooves or no grooves. yet more bullshit to pass your lips..
You said it yourself in your review..
“Either this is an issue with all new R3M’s or perhaps mine is a lemon, the exchange will prove which it is. I think mine is a lemon because I was shooting with a friend and his was far different than mine.”
There maybe an issue with your rife but 99% of them operate perfectly. What a pathetic attempt to scare people into thinking the all R3Ms are no good.
Any credibility your posts had has now gone as you are now just posting pure lies.
So your friends R3M is fine but yours isnt? but somehow this makes all R3M’s a problem?
Ed has offered a full refund to anyone not happy with his products.. It seems you are the only one still wining like a school girl instead of taking him up on this offer and moving on.
All this because Ed sold you a rifle without some channels on the rail to store your mags…
are you for real?
please tell me what other manufacturers ‘warn’ people about new models or changes? How often have you bought something and then 2/3 weeks later the price drops or you find it has a new model…
it happens in every industry everyday. If they did warn people about changes they would be left with a pile of bits and no one who wants them… it can’t happen.
I’m sure Ed does well on his rifle business (and rightly so… they are fantastic and you have to agree because you have 4 of them) but I really don’t see how you can criticise him in this case.
ho, thanks for the explanation
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As an agent in the network I know more than you think and will ever speak of just because of people like yourself who like to be center of attention wirh nothing but a mass of bad language and negativity in your wake.
So your dealer couldnt sell his single shots so ordered and fitted multishot breaches to sell them and somehow you have an issue with Ed?
You are a confused little man indead.
As the R3M and R3 are identical there is absolutely no issuse with fitting a multi shot breach to the older R3 and people who recieved these guns still got brand new guns.. I see no issue here… Infact this is exactly what people will be doing when the m/s conversion kit is available in the new year.
Eds latest batch has the mag storage grooves..mine dont.. so what? they still both store mags..
Your behavior is comical and Im with Ed on this one… laughing.
IMO considdering your behaviour Tony and Eds offer is more than generous..
I can now see by your words, sentence structure, spelling and grammar that I am not having a discussion with a rational nor intelligent person so, on that note dimwit, get a life.
Of course you believe “Tony and Eds offer is more than generous”; you may now take your head out of Ed’s ass.