Mach 1+ f.p.s. Condor Groups, I won’t be called a liar :)
😕 😯 😕 😯
Well, see for yourself. 😎
Now, these aren’t the Kodiak’s, these are the JSB 18.1 Exacts. I shot the rest of my kodiaks at a tree to get rid of them, These Exacts have replaced the Kodes For Ever. Cleaned the barrel, oiled the pellets and sighted in (almost dead on) by shooting off hand at two birds. First bird, head shot but was aiming at center body mass. Second Bird, hit barely to the right, adjusted for this, and the gun was for the most part sighted in. Kodes have NEVER shot that nice out of my gun.
I received a nasty email, I guess from a member here, no name, openly stating that what I had previously said I was capable of is a lie. Well, here are my First Groups Ever with the JSB’s, I love my Condor 😀
BTW, all of these groups are shot at 1,215 f.p.s. average. (Chrony’ed it)
Yes, this is an Offhand group. As I said in a previous thread, I have been sharpshooting for years, and for an airgun shooting pell’s over Mach 1, I’d like to think this is a damn good group. (looks Like I shot Washington’s head, then neck off 😈 )
This isn’t my best, but this is in a 23 MPH crosswind, after dark with the target paper lit by a flashlight on a stand, and yes, at 40 yards 😎
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If we make a small assumption as to the ambient temperature when Voltar fired his group, we can derive the local speed of sound… It’s been around -10c at best lately…mind you…the temps do vary quite a bit.
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-speedsound.htm
This puts the local speed of sound at ~1066fps. Voltars pellets were most definitely supersonic….but not excessively so. Pretty unlikely that they remained so all the way to target.
As such, they MUST have undergone the destabilization of having the sonic shock wave march its way forward…past the cg of the pellet is not known, but seems probable. The evidence would seem to support a conclusion that the pellet, already having undergone the destabilizing effects of passing through transonic velocities, and still grouping better than I can shoot ( 😳 ) would indeed continue to group thusly if fired at higher velocity yet.
But…
Given that at a higher initial velocity, the pellet would be further down range at the moment of destabilization, it does not seem unreasonable to further conclude that the groups would in fact be tighter.
Until someone tests it out by actually putting lead down range at speed…it’s just a theory.
What was cool is how flat those pellets fly.
So speed can be accurate IMO
Sure, I don’t doubt it a bit. But you weren’t shooting at elk with it, so that makes you a good airgun tweaker, and not just an idiot.
wow
so I’m a good idiotic airgun tweaker
lucky me
Haha. Isn’t text fun? That’s not what I meant at all. Take the word “just” out and it makes more sense.
I was saying you are a good tweaker for your results. But you are not an idiot because you weren’t trying to get the velocity as high as possible just so you can kill big game with it.
My bad!
I’d like to see you try to face down an angry pitbull with a .22 anything. I’ve raised them, rescued them, been caught in the middle of two of them in a battle to the death…and let me tell you something…the day you face one with a .22 air rifle better be the day you woke up and decreed, “today is a good day to die”!
I am glad your having fun messing with the high velocities and all…but I have to say that your pissing into the wind. But half the fun is having a good time…, but try to stay dry the same time. 😉
What was cool is how flat those pellets fly.
So speed can be accurate IMO
Sure, I don’t doubt it a bit. But you weren’t shooting at elk with it, so that makes you a good airgun tweaker, and not just an idiot.
wow
so I’m a good idiotic airgun tweaker
lucky me
Voltar_1 that’s a very respectable accomplishment ! But no where near the 1500fps-plus that the original noob posted he wanted to accomplish, so do you think the same accuracy obtainable at higher fps? Say 1600fps?
Sam 😎
What was cool is how flat those pellets fly.
So speed can be accurate IMO
Sure, I don’t doubt it a bit. But you weren’t shooting at elk with it, so that makes you a good airgun tweaker, and not just an idiot.
You were just shivering your scrawny Canadian ass off and flinched them into a group.
RC 😆
LMAO……
good one RC….. could do it for sure
Voltar,
You were just shivering your scrawny Canadian ass off and flinched them into a group.
RC 😆
was shooting my Vulture out across a frozen skeg a while back and shooting 10.5 UltraMags at 1200fps + and getting a fist sized group offhand at 100 yards.
What was cool is how flat those pellets fly.
So speed can be accurate IMO
Lama,
Good new they are not brother and sister, bad news is that Eddie taught RJ punctuation 😆
I past out trying to read one of his posts outloud one time.
Roachcreek
No, that’s not a twitch. My eye always does that. 😆
we aint be no brother and sister RC but yes there would be a deer in the trunk that i can promise and it would be killed with a fishing weight my inlaws r buying a place in NC 10 acres that backs up to a national forest
thanks lama i do this just for u cause i know how much u love it
Noob,
And in case it is not clear, the Gamo thing with speed, they do it by dieseling, which is when some of the petroleum products used for lube or whatever, ignites behind the pellet and gives uncharacteristic velocity increases. that is why we talk of spraying WD 40 down the barrel.
And their accuracy is not good. Their advertising philosophy is also unethical, not due to velocity claims, but giving the idea that 177 guns are good hog killers.
But the big question is, if the hillbilly RJ Porter had to cross the stateline to North Carolina, to get fishing weights and a divorce, would he and his wife still be brother and sister in South Carolina?
Answer, no they would not, but they would be arrested for the poached deer in the trunk.
Roachcreek
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Sorry, I do not buy this at all.
Perhaps Voltars gun is acrurate, but the test paramaters certainly are not!
Voltar is known for being a very precise man in his experiments and his advice. So to me this is totatly out of character for him.
If I want to know the absolute bottom line on what will work and not work and what equipment to get, I ask Voltar, to me he is an authority in this realm.
Off hand, in the cold, at an estimated distance with no precise way to measure the groups. Would Voltar accept this as a accurate test if someone else wrote in?
I am not questioning his veracity, but as a man who shoots primarily offhand, and was snowed in 5 months of the year for 13 years and did shoot in the snow for groups hundreds of times for months and months at a time, then pick up my bullets to remelt them in the spring, I find this ridiculous that you would hold this up as an example.
Now give me measurements of groups fired under ideal conditions, and I will buy this.
Roachcreek