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Making the .25 Edgun quiet, easily and inexpensively…

The key to the Edgun .25 making less noise is reducing the air pressure at the muzzle. There are a few ways to do this without engaging in exotic baffle designs, or spending money on an aftermarket shroud or moderator.

Here’s how it’s done:

The first step is to remove both the baffle cover, which is unscrewed counter clockwise, by hand, then removing the bottom shroud by removing the barrel bushing/vent nut. Then you can easily enlarge the existing vent holes at the rear of the Edgun shroud with a variable speed hand drill. I made my lower shroud vent holes 2.0mm in diameter:

You can go larger if you wish. If you go too large and begin to hear air “whoosh” out of the vent holes when firing, just wrap some felt around the inside of the shroud, behind the vent holes, to slow the air down. You can touch them up with the tip of a permanent ink black felt tip Sharpie. This is how they look when done, but before the Sharpie touchup:

The next step is to increase the air flow from the front of the Edgun to the rear of the shroud. Now on the R3 this is a bit more complicated because the shroud comes in two parts, so I will concentrate on the R3. Unscrew the top shroud, baffle cover, taking care to remove it easily because the O-ring can be damaged on the threads. Be sure to put silicone grease that O-ring before putting it back on. Note the bottom shroud, and barrel, are held in place by a 19mm nut with vent holes in it. It unscrews easily, counter-clockwise, with a common metric wrench:

After it is taken off, you then enlarge the holes in the nut with a variable speed drill. I went 2.5mm, you may choose to go smaller, but not much larger, as the hole diameter affects the strength of the nut.

After this is done, you simply replace the bottom shroud, then the barrel bushing, being certain that the bottom of the shroud is properly placed OVER the rim of the permanent cone shaped breech attachment. If you ignore this step, you will bend the bottom of the shroud when you tighten the nut…note the bottom of the shroud sitting flush against the cone shaped breech attachment in this picture. The hidden rim inside the shroud is about 1/8″ or so tall, but it must have the shroud placed evenly over it before tightening the nut. When you lift up and remove the bottom shroud, you will easily spot it, as the cone shaped breech attachment remains in place:

Finally, there has been much discussion regarding how much torque must be used to tighten the nut that holds the barrel and bottom shroud in place. This is not a difficult process. First you obtain a Russian Torque Wrench…see below picture:

Placing the 19mm wrench in this handy grasping tool, you tighten the nut to where it is snug against the shroud, then you go roughly 1/2 turn further. That’s all it takes. Remember, this is thin and fairly soft aluminum and will strip threads or bend rather easily. AND…if you have placed the bottom of the barrel shroud over the lip of the cone shaped breech attachment, you will not have bent, or dented, the bottom of the shroud.

Replacing the top shroud (baffle cover) is easily done, just be careful sliding the cover over the O-ring using a light downward pressure and clockwise screwing motion until it gets past the threads on the cover. Snug it up hand tight, no more.

That’s it! You can expect at least a 50% reduction in muzzle blast, which on the Long Edgun makes the hammer slap the loudest noise emitted when shooting the gun. It costs nothing, takes about 1/2 hour, a couple of metric bits, and a variable speed hand drill. Take your time. The existing holes will guide the bit if you proceed slowly, especially when starting the new hole.

Now, for that hammer slap…I’m still working on that one.

Regards,

Kindly ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 t

EdGun

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The problem there cracker is that the shroud cover is too thin to cut threads into it…now a slip on with grub screws would be perfect…or a thicker aftermarket shroud that we can put threads on.

Here is what I wanted,

We have only about 0.2″ clearance between shroud and air tube, it is marginal to put a carbon shroud tube there.

Uncle Dearest,
I fully understand that at age :15: it’s difficult to keep things apart. May it be things you heard, or think you heard, or facts from wives’ tales… by the way, you shouldn’t listen to the crazy finn. His horses hasn’t been in the stable for a long time and he still think his neighbour is Santa.

Now back to the subject, sort of… I’m hoping to get hold of my thread gauges during the day (and if I’m lucky even my lathe) so I can verify it but I’m in doubt that Ed did invent a new or use some top secret russian thread size/pitch but rather used a standard metric thread.

To be continued…

Your evil friend 👿

quote Hoot:

Incidentally, how about a poll of who would be interested in a full one piece replacement shroud, and who would want a modified top piece replacement moderator? This would give Neil an idea of market volume he has to work with. The more orders the less expensive than a “one off”…

Hoot my man, I would be into a “full on piece replacement shroud”. I want the silence at all times, no need for a removable moderator for me.

Just finished my .25 standard. 1.95mm jet on the barrel shroud with 5 new vent ports on the bottom. I put a scotchbrite pad at the base of the barrel shroud to muffle venting air from the jetted ports, also jetted the baffel nut to 2.3mm or so also. Amazing!! As stated in earlier comments the impact on my steel targets is louder than the gun itself. Very cool modification and FREE!!! :8:

From my perspective the mods I did to my shroud have made the gun quieter than the pellet impact 50 yds away to rubber mulch filled box with cardboard backed target face.
It makes no sense to me to make the gun any quieter $$$$. Even shooting to my 120 target the pellet impact echoes in neighborhood louder than muzzle. My neighbor is midway and says the impact “pop” is what he hears much more so than muzzle “puff”. That’s with 25. He can’t even hear the 22 muzzle.

quote Hoot:

Update….Neil has been in touch and seems interested. He has checked out this thread and asked if we might be interested in a full replacement shroud, but I’m not certain he has seen the newest R3 barrel attachment system. I replied and explained how it had changed, and may send him my entire Edgun, minus the stock, so he can consider how best to proceed.

There is no doubt Neil can outperform any shroud on the market today, and I would be very interested in a carbon fiber Huggett style replacement shroud, as he makes for the current Crickets. However, Edguns multiple shroud sections, one piece barrel bushing nut/baffle/endcap, and linking part for the upper and lower shroud tubes might make a bit of a difference…but not really, if he can place a tightening nut in the right place in a one piece shroud. That would be quite nice, one piece, screw on and screw off to tighten the barrel and clean the insides. No handfull of parts as with the current system.

This is getting quite interesting. Even if he can’t do a one piece shroud, he seems quite certain he can develop a replacement for the existing top part of the shroud.

More as I receive details….

Incidentally, how about a poll of who would be interested in a full one piece replacement shroud, and who would want a modified top piece replacement moderator? This would give Neil an idea of market volume he has to work with. The more orders the less expensive than a “one off”…

Thanks to all for helping out with this project.

I would be interested in a Neil Clague mod. If he can somehow make a replacement baffle tube with a threaded end cap to attach a larger moderator, that would be excellent. It would be similar to Ernest’s design where he uses an fx royale shroud as the interface between the edgun mod and Ernest’s can. That way we can used the can when we need to be super-stealth and take it off when complete silence is not necessary. Another benefit, is the retention of the baffle system. Why remove baffles when they are already there? We need the extra volume out front to capture the last bit of exhaust and hopefully get what we want; Silence.

The key is machining threads onto the replacement tube which match the edgun’s baffle cover thread pattern to achieve the design I mentioned. Ultimately, it will be up to what the machinist believes is doable. Hopefully, Neil will take into consideration our designs and work his magic.

Thanks Hoot for offering your gun to Neil so we can all benefit. I looking forward to see what Neil come up with.

Again, I’m definitely in for a NC mod.

Gabe

I’m definitely down for a one piece carbon fiber shroud if available in .22

Update….Neil has been in touch and seems interested. He has checked out this thread and asked if we might be interested in a full replacement shroud, but I’m not certain he has seen the newest R3 barrel attachment system. I replied and explained how it had changed, and may send him my entire Edgun, minus the stock, so he can consider how best to proceed.

There is no doubt Neil can outperform any shroud on the market today, and I would be very interested in a carbon fiber Huggett style replacement shroud, as he makes for the current Crickets. However, Edguns multiple shroud sections, one piece barrel bushing nut/baffle/endcap, and linking part for the upper and lower shroud tubes might make a bit of a difference…but not really, if he can place a tightening nut in the right place in a one piece shroud. That would be quite nice, one piece, screw on and screw off to tighten the barrel and clean the insides. No handfull of parts as with the current system.

This is getting quite interesting. Even if he can’t do a one piece shroud, he seems quite certain he can develop a replacement for the existing top part of the shroud.

More as I receive details….

Incidentally, how about a poll of who would be interested in a full one piece replacement shroud, and who would want a modified top piece replacement moderator? This would give Neil an idea of market volume he has to work with. The more orders the less expensive than a “one off”…

Thanks to all for helping out with this project.

Kindly ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 t

PS: Dr. Evil, I re-read that email from the Baron von Sir Ville. I was mistaken, those nasty Finnish terms were directed at ME, not you! Oh well, I can’t impress everyone. Elvis and Jesus had the same problem!

This guy got jokes lol…

quote Hoot:

I told my sister…I mean my wife, about that and she laughed so hard her “uppers” fell out!

No problem Gabe, I thought he did a great job too but he said that he wouldn’t suggest doing it that way. The FX extender did not fit perfectly so he had to bondo them together.

quote meech1456:

Hi Donny,

First time watching the video. Looks like Ernest did a great job as usual. The mod is HUGE. I bet it will kill all that last bit of airblast from my R3 .25 😀

I had an FX royale shroud too about two years ago and I don’t know what happened to it. I think the guy that did the mod for the royale kept it. Oh well 🙁

thanks for sharing,

Gabe

Ok…the thread is a Russian bastard size that no one in the West can recognize. The Russians probably did that to protect their secret designs on missiles and scuds and such.

Looks like I’m going to have to send Neil the whole baffle/cover/nut assembly and ask if he can make a single unit that screws onto the barrel. All we would need would be the round piece that goes between the bottom shroud and the top shroud…the piece the baffle nut screws on top of and holds the bottom shroud in place.

I’ll ask about group pricing. Meanwhile, all I’ve got to shoot with is my 1911 .45 auto. Oh well….

H 😯 😯 t

Syn has a dog named “Hoot”? I told my sister…I mean my wife, about that and she laughed so hard her “uppers” fell out!

[quote=”donnyfl”]That’s a great idea Hoot. I was actually going to do the same once I get my gun. Send it to him and have him work his magic. I communicated through email with him a few weeks back and since he has never done it for an R3, he wanted to wait until I get my gun so he can get exact measurements. I am sure you’ve seen Ernest video correct? The one he used an fx shroud with a standard NC silencer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRzRHrN7D5w

Hi Donny,

First time watching the video. Looks like Ernest did a great job as usual. The mod is HUGE. I bet it will kill all that last bit of airblast from my R3 .25 😀

I had an FX royale shroud too about two years ago and I don’t know what happened to it. I think the guy that did the mod for the royale kept it. Oh well 🙁

thanks for sharing,

Gabe

Found out a little more:

Lathes can cut metric pitches to 0.70, 0.75 & 0.80 (and others of course). So that leaves us with even more possibilities than before unfortunately. 🙁

There are no bolts (or nuts for that matter) that are M32- M34 x 0.80. The finest thread on common bolts at that size in 1.0, don;t bother going to the hardware store or looking on the web, you won’t find it (and if you do i’ll pay for it). 😉

On a lathe the pitch can be cut a whatever diameter the machinist wants as long as the mating part is of the same size and the thread pitch matches it will still work.

So either someone sends NC the baffle or the tube or Ed shows up and enlightens us… 😀

quote synopsys:

I get 23.8mm…

Now the question is when metric threads are cut are they to the center of the thread pitch or the outside edge?

Syn,

I got 23.85 mm.

I don’t have an answer for your ?

Gabe

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