The Haley .457 is here.
My haley .457 is finally here i should have the 58 in bout 2 weeks my 457 is supposed to produce 500+fpe i got the scope mounted tonight and will shoot tomorrow and YES i Will get u guys some pics also
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ass handed to me exactly how?
That McVey claims a 1# to 2# pull when I stated I wouldn’t trust a flat on round engagement to less than 4#?
facts are I stand behind my statements regarding the improper use of fasteners
doesn’t matter that some ignorant dumbass like you thinks it the Cat’s meow nor does it matter that a few people have extremely limited trigger time without failure
it’s simply not wise…something I would expect to see in the pages of TM310, Improvised Weapons & Explosives
Thats a serious problem unique in the Air Gun community, there are a stack of folks who have little to no active design experience with small arms that are out there promoting crap as unique that has already been built and usually of far better design than their current rehash and the worst are Big Bores, specifically trigger groups & bore geometry
both were well explored in firearms yet BB gunners wanna do it there way and half the time end up with half assed set ups.
tell us more about the seamed tubing in Haley’s Liar 😆 😆 😆
does this Riverqueen remind you guys of the black night on monty python , i think the shoe fit’s real well in this/his case ! 😛
” the black night always triumphs !”
” come back you yellow bastards and take whats coming to you ! ” HA ! HA ! 😆 😆
Riverqueen -the talon forum black night ! 😆 😉
😆 😆 😆 what a total assclown you continue to prove yourself out as 😆 😆 😆
ass handed to me exactly how?
That McVey claims a 1# to 2# pull when I stated I wouldn’t trust a flat on round engagement to less than 4#?
facts are I stand behind my statements regarding the improper use of fasteners
doesn’t matter that some ignorant dumbass like you thinks it the Cat’s meow nor does it matter that a few people have extremely limited trigger time without failure
it’s simply not wise…something I would expect to see in the pages of TM310, Improvised Weapons & Explosives
Thats a serious problem unique in the Air Gun community, there are a stack of folks who have little to no active design experience with small arms that are out there promoting crap as unique that has already been built and usually of far better design than their current rehash and the worst are Big Bores, specifically trigger groups & bore geometry
both were well explored in firearms yet BB gunners wanna do it there way and half the time end up with half assed set ups.
tell us more about the seamed tubing in Haley’s Liar 😆 😆 😆
LMAO! Ya’ll crazy.
I just got this from Dan at xpairguns.
Xp uses grade 8 allen head cap screws that they machine. The trigger is cupped to the same curve which gives more contact than what a straight edge would give.
Note:I am not clear if they machine the grade 8 screw or just the cup on the trigger
trigger pull is between 1.5 and 2 lbs and is not affected by what power level is used.
He uses plain 45 acp and LC bullets for practice, they give over 1000FPS on medium power at 4000PSI and 940FPS on low power with the 28 inch barrel and are cheaper than round ball.
This means I can pick up 500 bullets at the neighborhood store and reserve the casting for special applications.
In the 28 inch barrel the 385 grain bullet Vogel uses on his video gets 880 FPS for 650 FPE.
Regards,
Roachcreek
ya Riverqueen just got his azz handed to him with this post , now we know not to trust a dam thing he says !
the self proclaimed expert just went down in flames by his own design ! 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
it serves the punk right for all of his shat talk trying to deflect the one thing we know is true that JH has produced some real garbage that he charged people good money for ! 🙄
actually Roach MVA were Johnny Come lately’s in optics
the real sweet rigs back in the 90s were the Parsons Optics units, complete rethought of the Malcombs designed from the outset for long range BPCR. There is another outfit that produced great vintage optics was RHO out in your neck of the woods
Have a custom Parsons 6X still thats a work of art
also have a 36X Unertal, never used still in the wood chest
was running a similar 36X Unertal on my Thick Side Highwall
it was fitted at Springfield Armory in the 1890s with an extra heavy 1.25″ round bull barrel @ 28″…had the full armory proofs and Dan F. Clark inspectors stamps. .45 Government gun with the militrary musket butt and single set. Updated the frame with SD Meacham mann-neidener block, coil spring speed hammer and other bits
used it in a few informal shoots drilling rams one after another at the 1000 yard range off sticks.
never would be sanctioned for BPCR rules though
story on the rifle is that it was an Armory experimental set up for full length Malcomb bases. I pulled those and installed the Unertal blocks
quite the damn toy but a beast to carry
Yes, I bought that scope maybe 8 or 9 years ago, at the time that was it as far as scopes like that went unless you bought original or a real cheapie. It was recoil slide operated in the mounts, but not spring loaded, you had to return it each time.
In our sport we had to be period in equipment and the big Unertals were not from our time frame.
I always wanted one of those USMC 1942 models they made.
I think they even made a 2 inch scope didn’t they, a Vulture?
Regards,
Roachcreek
Roach:
the cup is a major improvement but still not impressed using bolts in this application.
I would get a clarification on whether he is turning the heads, {I suspect he is} and if so have him include a few spares as if you need replacements you won’t find drop in’s at your local fastener vendor.
on the optics, I hear you on field of view but bear in mind Unertal built some incredible external adjustment mounts and optics back in the day that have large diameter tubes and are still widely custom serviced.
The MVA scope left a great deal to be desired, truth was it’s not a great deal better than the El’ Cheapo Leatherwood set up
there are a few high end BPCR optics that feature fully N2 fill and sealed with coated lenses
not cheap and usually some wait to get one as they are custom rigs
A Jack Haley carbine just sold on the yellow for 750 bucks 30 miutes ago, it took it 12 minutes to sell at that price.
Regards,
Roachcreek
I took two elk with their sights, and a couple deer if memory serves me off the front deck with that scope.
The last elk I took with it was at 70 yards, I saw the reddish tan of her body thru a fork in a ponderosa pine school marn tree.
The old time loggers called them school marm trees, because the fork made them easier to ride in the rivers to the saw mills. 😆
There was 14 inches of powder snow on the ground and it was snowing heavily, perfect iron sight weather. I was using their mid range sight, wihich on that Borschardt got me out to 1100 yards, but I had it set for 100 yards. It had a adjustable iris peice which I had set at the widest hole.
I had a 28 inch Douglas barrel on it at the time with a 1-22 twist. I was shooting a 430 grain NEI cast bullet cast 30-1 with about 75 grains of Swiss #2, not the most accurate load for target shooting, but it was a hammer on elk.
I had to shoot thru the fork in the tree, which was 50 yards from me with 4 inches of clearance, she was pawing in the snow for grass 20 yards on the other side of the tree.
Until the day I die, I will remember her jumping out from that cloud of white smoke when the trigger broke, I had used a classic off hand target stance with my elbow close to my body.
She was on a hillside with a BLM 4 strand fence between us, and I at first went about 40 yards in the direction she jumped looking for her blood trail, but saw no tracks, then out of the corner of my eye, I saw something move, it was her hind leg kicking in a death kick, 40 yard down the hill from me.
When I opened her up it looked like she had been hit thru the ribs above her heart with a 300 mag.
The year before I shot a spike at 25 to 30 yards with 4, 45/70/500 goverment loads, he showed no indication of a hit, just stood there while I hammered him again and again, then on the 4 shot kicked his belly and fell over. I had hit him 4 times in a palm size group in the point of the shoulder, the round nose bullts had passed thru him and all but one came out the far hip. the milk carton cardboard wads were stcuk in the entrance hole, proving they stuck with the bullet in flight, something we target shooters did not want, from then on I bought my carboard for wads from Dave Gullo and Buffalo arms in Sandpoint Idaho.
Anyway, soory to bore you, just a story about big slugs and elk.
You can go back to calling each other fuckers now. 😯
Regard,
Roachcreek
well child my issues with the XP’s trigger has zero to do with multiple power settings
that after all is hardly new, I have it on 2 different handbuilds but if you are going to do it you don’t reinvent the wheel
I will give you a quick edumacation on current Big Bores as partically ALL of them built in the USA trace their lineage directly back to the Cap’tChur tranquilizer dart guns which themselves were based off the Crosman 160.
The man who brought America the current big bore platform was Dennis Quackenbush. What happened was back in the 70s Dennis used to manufacture semi finished tubes for silencer parts sets that were widely available for most of the Sionacs/MAC series after the MAC bankruptcy auction put thousands of parts sets on the market.
Dennis had a pretty good business back in the day supplying over length but otherwise finished tubes so for a very nominal investment one could assemble military grade cans without going through a SOT. It was of course a problem as most folks never registered their moderators which led to Uncle reclassifying any and all components of a moderator as the same as a complete device which of course effectivly put DAQ and other out of business.
Dennis, quick on the uptake started selling Cap’tChur and other tranquilizer dart guns in SGN and in short order began making his own clones based on various Crosman rifles & pistols…this would have been early 80s.
The Cap’tChur guns used a simple hammer with both High and Low engagement surfaces MACHINED in the body…no cheesy use of screws
that is the way you build these things
in fact if you search the forums here I have posted pix of these hammers in the recent past. You are free to compare a Cap’tChur hammer to McVey’s poorly engineered redo and get back to me.
I have been promoting use of the Cap’tChur hammers in 22XX & QBs for a few years on the Yellow, who knows…perhaps thats where McVey got the idea
anyways it was well before the Gargoyle or the XP
my thing is Do It Right!
there is simply not one reason to use Screwheads
I will be more than happy to post up a teardown of a Cap’tChur dart gun when I return from vacation in a couple days so you and others can {a} see first hand how little changed most big bores are from the dart guns as well as {b} see exactly how inferior McVey’s rethought of the dart gun hammer is to the original.
point is it’s nothing new and was done way better in the original 😉
Riverside,
I had a 1000 dollar scope on my Sharps Borschardt. It was made by Montana Vinatage Armory, which is a premier black powder sight manufacturer. It was 23 inches long, 7/8 inch tube, with recoiling outside adjustment mounts. It did have mildots, which were very valuable in wind doping and correcton at 1000 yards.
1000 bucks sound like a lot for a scope, but I had two sets of their iron sights, which were wind gage front and rear and they ran over 700 bucks for a set.
BTW the scope was not gas purged or filled, it sealed with orings, and I did not take it out in the rain. It was 6 power and had a very narrow field of view.
The thing I like about the black powder/shotgun scope with the Balisttex or whatever Burris calls it, is that I can shoot at different ranges, lets say 50 75 100 and 125 yards at differnet targets and mark the drop on the target with high visable tape, then adjust the power until the hold over dots match at the different ranges, record what ranges on what power with a dope sheet laminated to the stock and use that power setting for hunting.
I hope that my description makes sence.
Regards,
Roachcreek
Trigger information:
I just got this from Dan at xpairguns.
Xp uses grade 8 allen head cap screws that they machine. The trigger is cupped to the same curve which gives more contact than what a straight edge would give.
Note:I am not clear if they machine the grade 8 screw or just the cup on the trigger
trigger pull is between 1.5 and 2 lbs and is not affected by what power level is used.
He uses plain 45 acp and LC bullets for practice, they give over 1000FPS on medium power at 4000PSI and 940FPS on low power with the 28 inch barrel and are cheaper than round ball.
This means I can pick up 500 bullets at the neighborhood store and reserve the casting for special applications.
In the 28 inch barrel the 385 grain bullet Vogel uses on his video gets 880 FPS for 650 FPE.
Regards,
Roachcreek
only blown fuze I see is you talkin’ out your ass about guns you have never even had your own hands on and by that I mean both Haley AND McVey’s rifles
that’s why Jerry called you a FanBoi which was actually him being very nice
Look Tof, Butcher, Jerry…these guys are no great Haley fans, Tof was one of the guys who apparently suffered a bad Haley gun yet even he plainly stated that none, thats right dumbass, None of his Haley guns have a seamed tube
Thats where you went way over the top…there are more than enough things to whine about with some of Jacks earlier rifles, once you start spreading outright lies a few folks here will call you on that
Don’t like it?
Don’t lie, particularly about guns you have Zero personal experience with 🙄 🙄 🙄
Everyone here sees this in your posts, even Haley detractors
your credibility is about Zilch
no back peddeling here, in my opinion the XP trigger is just plain bad design
sure it will work, so do a great many poor designs
pretty clear you have little if any background in small arms, muchless big bore airguns 😆 😆 😆
Riverqueen the bottom line is you pay for what you get , i like the best , even if it cost more because i know in the end i will be better way better off , how about instead of running your clown mouth on here on what you don’t know , did it ever occur to you that DAN used that trigger set up for a reason ? like maybe 3 different power settings just to name one ! and has tested and refined it , to a point that it is very good !
OK now go ahead and post up some more of your idiotic B.S. you got a good hole going so far ! keep digging ! SON
Roach:
Have you considered maybe a BPCR scope with external adjustment mounts?
Frankly I think this fascination with high power optics & mil dots on something running .45 Colt at best ballistics is utter folly
quite a bit more range of repeatable elevation points running Malcomb mounts than some damn Chiwantaium optic, for that matter even the best Leupold has to offer
sounds like you will be taking a bit longer shots than Dannyboy’s 100″ Red Ryder range 😆 😆 😆
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ass handed to me exactly how?
That McVey claims a 1# to 2# pull when I stated I wouldn’t trust a flat on round engagement to less than 4#?
facts are I stand behind my statements regarding the improper use of fasteners
doesn’t matter that some ignorant dumbass like you thinks it the Cat’s meow nor does it matter that a few people have extremely limited trigger time without failure
it’s simply not wise…something I would expect to see in the pages of TM310, Improvised Weapons & Explosives
Thats a serious problem unique in the Air Gun community, there are a stack of folks who have little to no active design experience with small arms that are out there promoting crap as unique that has already been built and usually of far better design than their current rehash and the worst are Big Bores, specifically trigger groups & bore geometry
both were well explored in firearms yet BB gunners wanna do it there way and half the time end up with half assed set ups.
tell us more about the seamed tubing in Haley’s Liar 😆 😆 😆
does this Riverqueen remind you guys of the black night on monty python , i think the shoe fit’s real well in this/his case !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4
I think thou doth protest too much.