The Haley .457 is here.
My haley .457 is finally here i should have the 58 in bout 2 weeks my 457 is supposed to produce 500+fpe i got the scope mounted tonight and will shoot tomorrow and YES i Will get u guys some pics also
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Man Dannyboy, you certainly are one serious Dumbass
only blown fuze I see is you talkin’ out your ass about guns you have never even had your own hands on and by that I mean both Haley AND McVey’s rifles
that’s why Jerry called you a FanBoi which was actually him being very nice
Look Tof, Butcher, Jerry…these guys are no great Haley fans, Tof was one of the guys who apparently suffered a bad Haley gun yet even he plainly stated that none, thats right dumbass, None of his Haley guns have a seamed tube
Thats where you went way over the top…there are more than enough things to whine about with some of Jacks earlier rifles, once you start spreading outright lies a few folks here will call you on that
Don’t like it?
Don’t lie, particularly about guns you have Zero personal experience with 🙄 🙄 🙄
Everyone here sees this in your posts, even Haley detractors
your credibility is about Zilch
no back peddeling here, in my opinion the XP trigger is just plain bad design
sure it will work, so do a great many poor designs
pretty clear you have little if any background in small arms, muchless big bore airguns 😆 😆 😆
You guys get any sleep or have you worked on this all night. 😆
Now if I get that rifle and it has a trigger pull of 11 pounds and keyholes, I will be the one not sleeping. 😆 😆 😆
Regards,
Roachcreek
don’t listen to the brain dead idiots that roam on this site , { not everyone is but there are a few } this whole set up has been tested like crazy ! , Riverqueen is a flapping moron , a self proclaimed expert , that now if you read his post is side stepping and dancing all over the place , from his original post about the xp airguns ,
he blew a fuse when we exposed Jack Haleys southern airguns garbage ,and he then started rambling about shat he really has mo idea about , and now it’s come back to bite him ! that is why you see his half azz back pedeling on the trigger subject !
Marvin on here has the Gargoyal leroys gun that Dan built it for a while , he improved the gun to a great deal , Marvin says the trigger and action on that gun are far supreior than a Jack Haley that he ownes ,
the Xp ranger is a big step above the Gargoyal , so do not bother listening to any of these little scamps that talk trash they have no evidence to back up there B.S. at all
what we do know for a fack is that Jack Haley has turned out some real crap that he has charged people a lot of money ! that is a fact !
here is the link to Marvins post on this site who owns and shoots the guns !
Roach:
been up for a few hours already…never been able to sleep more than 4 or 5 hours
sleep is for the dead 😆
your XP won’t key hole and I expect the trigger weight to be reasonable as one huge advantage of the screwheads is the actual contact area on the flat face of the sear on those circular screwheads is very small. Downside is because of that small contact area it will have a far greater tendency to chip the face of the sear surface. You have been around 19th century guns enough to accept this as fact.
To keep it safe I suspect you will find some creep in that trigger, anything less than a solid 16th of an inch would be dangerous as all hell
thats going to be more than say your typical vintage lever gun or single action revolver but still fine
I feel this is also playing a major factor in the lack of even the most basic of common adjustment settings
like I said, bad design in an attempt to carve a new wheel.
Now that I said all that I doubt the trigger will be any worse than that of most other Big Bores out of the box but don’t expect much less than maybe four pounds for this this system to remain effective
My Haley with an equally crude trigger is set at around two pounds, then again it is a flat sear surface engaging on a flat surface on the bolt, quite a bit easier to work with
this is all simple sear geometry that you and I among others here have been dealing with for years
something else worth considering is the possibility of snagging the low or medium power screwhead when shooting full power as the gun wears in.
Think of the medium or low power screwhead as being not unlike the half cock on a sidelock tumbler. In the 19th century and earlier they fixed this problem by either deep full cock notches or fitting the tumblers with flys. Learned this as a young lad “sporterizing” Trapdoor Springfields some four decades ago…you can stone that full cock notch down and produce a wonderfully light trigger
thing was sooner or later you were going to hang the nose of the sear up in the half cock notch usually ruining both the tumbler AND sear. This also had much to do with why the S&W #3 had such sweet triggers contrasted to the Colt SAA, the Smith’s hammer was fitted with a fly.
anyways were I you I would only run one screw in the hammer just to be on the safe side
It’s all good in the end and I do look forward to your honest as always review of the XP 😉
Riverside, Dan H,
You guys get any sleep or have you worked on this all night. 😆
Now if I get that rifle and it has a trigger pull of 11 pounds and keyholes, I will be the one not sleeping. 😆 😆 😆
Regards,
Roachcreek
Still attempting to fathom this title of self proclaimed expert
never made any such claim, merely stated a few of us here were beyond your young years in the experience game
I mean after all you are the fuckwit screaming about non existant seamed tubing as claimed by YOUR self proclaimed mystery Machinist with all these years of experience of Air gun work
I’ll call it as I see it, an outright lie
I don’t think anyone argues that the XP isn’t a better quality rifle
it should be
again the most basic of Rangers are $1200 versus the $600 odd dollars I paid Jack for my .452
It’s all relative
The XP is the Porsche of big bores right now but it’s not all that…it’s like a 914 versus Haley’s VW Super Beattle! 🙄
so what will be your lies today?
Drumroll!!! 😆 😆 😆
if you wade back through all your prattle you will find I stated exactly that at the outset of your episodic behavior
Yes the gun Jack sent Bob was a good one, just as it seems most all of the JH rifles are when you review what most actual owners here state as well.
Yes the rifle McVey sent Vogel was superior, just as any rifle that cost nearly double of what I paid for mine should be
see?
wasn’t that easy dumb fuck? 😆 😆 😆
OH so now you call me a dumb fuck ! HA ! HA ! 😆 😆 😆 😆
when you say dumb fuck look in the mirror at that moment ! then you will be right, a self proclaimed expert about that also ! 😆 😆 😆
i must of struck a nerve with the self proclaimed airgun expert Riverqueen ! 😉
just when he was making progress , he goes and has a relapse ! maybe his meds wore off .
no break through what so ever
if you wade back through all your prattle you will find I stated exactly that at the outset of your episodic behavior
Yes the gun Jack sent Bob was a good one, just as it seems most all of the JH rifles are when you review what most actual owners here state as well.
Yes the rifle McVey sent Vogel was superior, just as any rifle that cost nearly double of what I paid for mine should be
see?
wasn’t that easy dumb fuck? 😆 😆 😆
after all that’s Bob’s view as well as mine 😉
why yes the gun he/JH sent to Bob did shoot ! and yes he says the xp ranger 45 caliber is the best out of the box ,
Riverqueen you have finally made a break through 😛 good progress !
there maybe hope for you after all !
Cheers ! 😆 😆 😆 😆 , DH
so then we can agree per Bob that Jack’s rifles while not as nice as the XP are none the less still quality items
after all that’s Bob’s view as well as mine 😉
posting the same vids time & again by the same guy who also endorses Haley products speaks volumes for your lack of crainial activity
run and play little one
adults are talking here 😆 😆 😆
well Riverqueen you asked the same question over, and over so i will play you the same answer over, and over !
besides its the truth according to Bob , and it’s great advertisement for xp airguns ! ranger 45 caliber ,
” the best out of the box ! ”
here it is again !
we owe it all to you Riverqueen !
old news
posting the same vids time & again by the same guy who also endorses Haley products speaks volumes for your lack of crainial activity
run and play little one
adults are talking here 😆 😆 😆
Bob had nothing but good to say in his YouTube vids about the Haley rifles he reviewed
are you saying Bob was lying last year and before then suddenly saw the sweet light of baby Jesus once he held the XP?
Vogel likes Haley rifles, he just likes the XP a bit more
I don’t have a problem with that
so what’s the agenda in your spew?
really seems to be one
can’t even answer a simple question straight 😉
Riverqueen i think you must be brain dead ,you need to leave the trailer park some times , and see the real world 😛
lets watch it again and hear the results again !
xp ranger 45 caliber tested by Mrhollowpoint
” a force to be reconed with ”
” i sighted this gun at 18 yards in the basement and at 75 yards it is dead on , i didn’t have to adjust the scope or anything ! it was dead on ! ”
” i don’t know what Dan does , ”
” i don’t know what his secret is ”
” i have not seen a more powerfull or accurate gun out of the box “
so then Dannyboy you can’t have it both ways
Bob had nothing but good to say in his YouTube vids about the Haley rifles he reviewed
are you saying Bob was lying last year and before then suddenly saw the sweet light of baby Jesus once he held the XP?
Vogel likes Haley rifles, he just likes the XP a bit more
I don’t have a problem with that
so what’s the agenda in your spew?
really seems to be one
can’t even answer a simple question straight 😉
never handled a Corsair and I can not tell you how much I HATE closed architecture design
does the Corsair pressure tube attach ala QB with a forward breech screw under I assume a pellet tray and the rear bolt coming up from the bottom also securing the rear of the breech?
anyways if so it should be able to be broken down in that fashion
not sure of the pressure tube, sounds vry proprietary design to me and I have never actually handled one
very tough break if its a one piece deal…
I am using a Rich in MI valve in a Haley tube
best way to fly in my opinion.
I assume the Corsair’s design was the product of McVey too?
hmmmmmmmm….
Dannyboy:
Never claimed myself as any sort of expert, just a number of obvious steps past you experience wise in this game
small bore really didn’t catch my interest until recent, I was interested in things a bit more destructive than pee wee pellet poppers so spray your inuendo elsewhere
as far as being the gods honest truth, frankly when you post up blatant falsehoods as fact, {seamed tubing} you end up discrediting the rest of your factoids and call the whole content of your XP rant into question
you still have not answered my question to you regarding Vogels many positive reviews of Haley guns
all you do is wave your arms like some ADD 3rd grader whose Ritalin just ran out 😆 😆 😆
Now Riverqueen don’t get your panties stuck in a wad cause we exposed your boy toy Hacksaw haley ! BWA ! HA ! HA ! 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
now as far as your ” question ” goes like i said before he/Bob states that the xp ranger 45 is the best hands down out of the box big bore airgun on the market , his words not mine . He has shot all of them this is the one he says is the best according to his own videos . hope that has penatrated what ever you have , for what ever you need , another experiance for ya ! 😉 DH
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Well in two weeks we will be finding out. I just confirmed my order for a 28 inch basic Ranger 45, he said I would have it in two weeks.
I wanted something short enough to get thru the mahogney trails and long enough to get some power out of.
I suppose I need to get a trigger scale, my old one developed legs and walked off, to do this test of the trigger correctly.
Jerry,
I see a Pedersoli mold for .451/450 grain bullet that was used for the Sharps paper cartridges, not paper patch but the earlier Sharps breech loading paper cartridges, do you know if a rifle like the Ranger has the ummph to bump it up upon firing like a Black Powder cartidge? .001 would not be much to bump up. I assume of course a Minnie would but this is of course a dovetailed grease ringed bullet with a solid base, dovetailed so they could attach the rolled paper cartridge, and then add the powder and twist the end off.
What would you consider the best alloy to use, 20-1 or 30-1 or do I need somethng harder or softer? I used 30-1 mostly for my 45/100’s with Black powder.
I need to order a low power scope with hold over points, I am thinking about a Burris Fullfield 2×7, on this application I do not want a AO, we’re talking minute of elk here and no time to crank rings to shoot. Burris makes a model for shotguns and muzzle loaders. The 2 power would be ideal for the thickets, and the hold over on the longer shots.
I think if I sighted in on the upper duplex at Vogels 18 yard thing, with the 28 I would be on about 60 yards at the center and I will have to see where the rest of the hash marks hit.
Problems I have had with Black Powder and changing bullet weights, is they radicaly change the poi, and I assume this would be no different.
Getting ready for some fun.
Regards,
Roachcreek