The Haley .457 is here.
My haley .457 is finally here i should have the 58 in bout 2 weeks my 457 is supposed to produce 500+fpe i got the scope mounted tonight and will shoot tomorrow and YES i Will get u guys some pics also
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I also freely admit to being able to buy bullets from more sources in case my hands don’t hold up to casting. There are a lot more softer 45’s out there than 58’s or maybe I not looking in the right places. And I assume you would want a soft alloy, but I am going into new areas myself.
You guys sure have put out a lot of spit and foam nashing your teeth on this.
But really this is what TAG is all about. Freedom to express your inner anger and insecurities. 😆
Dan, your new here, one word of advice, when caught in a battle of words with Riverside, go spend a few weeks on a different forum subject or better yet a different forum. He has forgot more about guns than most of us know and still remembers twice as much as almost anybody I know. Not to mention how he tongue fucks you on the keyboard whether your right or not.
Riverside, I fucking near busted a gut, I have not heard the one about the better part of a person running down momma’s leg since my dad was alive.
Ever notice how spelling goes to shit when things get really hot.
I repeat, bad spellers of the world, untie! 😛
Regards,
Roachcreek
NO worries Roach , i am having fun messing with some of these self proclaimed expert clowns you speak of
and i would bet a few of them will be munching CROW PIE ! HA ! HA ! after we get our xp 45 rangers ! trust me i can’t wait !
I expect you’ll be happy with the XP .45. Personally, I don’t think there would be any problem with penetration with the .58 given the power of that gun. Especially since I’ve seen the pictures of what a lower powered .58 did to a buffalo. Please share your observations when you get and test your new gun, there’s nothing but hype and venom here so please start a new thread!
Dan H,
Have you considered de-caf? Your attacks on JH are over the top and your comments about the XP don’t carry much weight as you don’t even have one yet. It makes you sound like the fan boi that disappears when he gets his new toy because he doesn’t have a tank, has to drive 2 days to go shoot, doesn’t have a chrony, never shoots paper and so on.
i have a prochrony , i also have my own shooting range on my property , i shoot 500-1000 rounds a week ,
when i get this gun i will put up chrony results i will do a video post it up on youtube just like the jet ski’s that i race , there will be NO doubt after that how this gun shoots ! the pepsi challenge is on ! HA ! HA !
i have 4 = 44cf cylinders 3= 88cf cylinders and 1 very large steel dot cylinder over 500 cf , and a compressor to fill them up with ,
so i have the air to shoot the hell out of the gun, right at my house on my own shooting range ,
if you think i am full of crap put up $10,000 large, and we will see who is full of crap ! man UP ! if ya dare ! HA ! … there is your fan boi !!!!
what i have posted about the xp-airguns is nothing but fact so far , grade of materials , quality of workmanship , there has already been enough people that have shot them to get a real good idea what they are about, and everyone knows what kind of gun Dan builds .
p.s. i don’t drink coffee that shat is bad for ya ! ,
Jerry,
I also freely admit to being able to buy bullets from more sources in case my hands don’t hold up to casting. There are a lot more softer 45’s out there than 58’s or maybe I not looking in the right places. And I assume you would want a soft alloy, but I am going into new areas myself.
You guys sure have put out a lot of spit and foam nashing your teeth on this.
But really this is what TAG is all about. Freedom to express your inner anger and insecurities. 😆
Dan, your new here, one word of advice, when caught in a battle of words with Riverside, go spend a few weeks on a different forum subject or better yet a different forum. He has forgot more about guns than most of us know and still remembers twice as much as almost anybody I know. Not to mention how he tongue fucks you on the keyboard whether your right or not.
Riverside, I fucking near busted a gut, I have not heard the one about the better part of a person running down momma’s leg since my dad was alive.
Ever notice how spelling goes to shit when things get really hot.
I repeat, bad spellers of the world, untie! 😛
Regards,
Roachcreek
Riverside,
I wish man. Dan made the CORSAIR to be NOT TAKEN APART. Well, as far as the valve body goes. The barrel and valve body are permanently attached inside the gun and Randy sais you would need a special TOOL to remove them. And they are not selling the special tool. So, go figure. I’m no machinist by any means and i’ve yet to figure how to remove it. Yes, it’s based off the QB but its a moddified version of that gun. The QB can be easily stripped. This gun can too, but, only so far. I can’t even remove the bolt probe and hammer from the gun cause you can’t remove the upper receiver from the lower airtube assembly.
If i’m wrong……….PLEASE….someone correct me. I want to be corrected on this one. This is information that i wish was out WHEN THE GUN WAS INTRODUCED.
The Corsair will be my last NEW (MANUF) big bore air gun. Its gonna be years before i even think of buying another big bore. Small bores only from here on out from reputable manufacturers.
Tof:
yeah the poop equation is getting pretty deep on the ol’ TAG on the Haley saga.
I accept that there were some bad products done by Jack
but when you have some non gun owning nitwit coming up with fables of seamed tubing discovered by some mystery machinist with blurry pix of some unknown tube as evidence
well…it’s time for a North Dakota sized manure spreader 😆 😆 😆
on your Corsair valve I kind of wonder if you could use one of Rich in MI valves? Thats what I am running in my .308 build…severely modified QB unit
might be worth picking one up, Rich sells them for $50.00 if you don’t have a QB valve to send him as a core and they are very nice
does the Corsair use a modified QB valve?
Roach:
I know if there are issues with the XP you are the man who will discover them and be up front about them
Tof & Butcher are straight on the money regarding how little data is out there on most production big bores…I will go one further and state there is quite a bit of out right bullshit posted about this AG or that online
some of it is juvenile crap and some of it is being done by folks with a vested interest in the gun they are bragging up
for example some of the loudest of those on the Yellow have Davis rebuilds of Marauders they claim as stock guns…that morsel comes from Greg himself. Others are pimping out hokey data and numbers because they are already in Crosmans pocket…bought & paid for
that said I tend to be rather skeptical of Vids, pix, raw data, ect posted by some unknown and in some cases don’t even bother with reviews by well known folks
just too much BS on the virtual street.
the screws are something to pay close attention to. Seen unsupported allen bolts shear before for horizontal stress on receprocating parts on home built steam engines and other toys
it’s just not what those fasteners are engineered for
the trigger is about identical to the older Haley guns
sure they work however I want adjustability and a positive safety hence my plans to upgrade my Haley to a Marauder trigger group with a stainless Enik trigger and safety
The hammer on the Haley .45 has a slot the sear nose rides in and a sear engagement surface milled into the bottom
the problem with screwheads shearing is when they do it’s straight accidental discharge time
like I said, bad news
I am looking forward to your long term review of your new beast
even worst case scenareo that I am correct it won’t cost too much to correct the failed hammer with a custom machined one done the right way
RC,
I expect you’ll be happy with the XP .45. Personally, I don’t think there would be any problem with penetration with the .58 given the power of that gun. Especially since I’ve seen the pictures of what a lower powered .58 did to a buffalo. Please share your observations when you get and test your new gun, there’s nothing but hype and venom here so please start a new thread!
Dan H,
Have you considered de-caf? Your attacks on JH are over the top and your comments about the XP don’t carry much weight as you don’t even have one yet. It makes you sound like the fan boi that disappears when he gets his new toy because he doesn’t have a tank, has to drive 2 days to go shoot, doesn’t have a chrony, never shoots paper and so on.
GEEESSS guys…calm down….lol
Riverside. No. None of my HALEY air tubes are seamed at all. And for anyone speculating….I KNOW WHAT SEAMED means and looks like…lol
Also, i understand what you are saying about the screw heads bro. You NOR i have never seen that before. I also have never seen a VALVE RETURN SPRING “SITTING” freely in an air tube either. But, that is how the CORSAIR is. I love that gun, but i don’t like that free floating return spring. YES, THERE IS NOTHING HOLDING IT IN PLACE and its certainly a pinched nerve in my NECK and BACK. But, i think i have it licked. We will c once i have the gun back together. Thats a whole nother story though.
BUT, even though the screw heads are WEIRD, it makes no sense for me to comment on them considering i don’t have his XP/RANGER gun and have not thoroughly tested and shot one. But i do have a Corsair, and i’ve commented on the ONE issue that i don’t like.
But no matter how WEIRD the bolt head thingy is, WE CANNOT COMMENT ON IT CAUSE WE DON”T HAVE ONE to test out. WEIRD is WEIRD but it don’t prove it WON’t work.
TIME WILL TELL.
And sense we are throwing it all out there, what i too have learned is, people on AG forums seem to always listen to other folks opinions that REALLY KNOW NOTHING about air guns internal working or machine work but, they believe them cause they either have a side business that has something to do with air guns. Owning an airgun website or airgun website store, or airgun forum does not mean, you know shit about airguns. Any of us can own and or RUN any of the above mentioned. These people that form opinions simply “SHOOT THE GUN A FEW TIMES” then report on it saying its the best thing smoking. When they really have not thoroughly tested nor shot the gun.
You watch, THE CROSMAN ROGUE is gonna be the next gun to be bought off of a “FEW GOOD WORDS” from people on the NET. And i bet not one of those folks will say anything slightly negative about said product. Like how its HEAVY and LONG or the DISPALY board blew out on them the first day they shot it (NOT SAYING THAT WILL HAPPEN, JUST BEING SARCASTIC, so you guys get my point).
GUYS….LISTEN. You see, i can buy a “SO AND SO” gun, then make ya’ll a video screaming about how its the best thing smoking sense nicotine and cigars and 90% of you will spend your hard earned cash trying to keep up with the Jones’. Hitting a bottle at 75 yrds with a 58 cal is nothing EXTRAORDINARY. It can be done with ANY air gun on the market. the barrels are normally the most accurate part of ANY BIG BORE/SMALL BORE out cause well…..they buy em from someone else (green mountain, or LW, or HW, or BSA…etc). Save, DAQ and BARNES which i think make there own barrels.
The point is, we need more “honest” opinions from the consumers. Not MORE OPINIONS.
Well I canceled my order for the two barreled 58/45 set, and I am just going with the 1200 dollar 45 Ranger.
Yes I do shoot a lot of lead down range, and yes it is a sickness.
The srew thing is perplexing, I will have to see how that works out. The center hole between the two screw holes is the mid power setting, you remove the two other screws, put one in the center hole and just use the center one for mid power. So you have three power levels, but have to dissassemble the rifle to get the middle power setting.
The Gargoyle had three or four seperate valves that had to be installed to get a differnet power setting.
Vogel claims it is the best thing since premenopausal pussy, but like you say last year or the year before, he said the Haley was the king in his eyes.
Right now, it seems to be the best rifle with the most power, except the 58, and I had reservations on the 58 due to trajectory and penetration of the wider slug at the impact velocities I would get.
Also an issue was the air usage. the 58 uses a lot of air. Where I hunt I might not be able to use my Shoebox, I hope I can but I don’t want to gamble a hunt on the possibilty that I may not have electricity at hand. So I will fill up what tanks I have and take the Shoebox and shop compressor on the off chance I will have electricity on hand at my old house.
But then I don’t shoot a lot of shots elk hunting, so it may be a mute point.
The sales pitch on the removable bolt safty, is that you can carry, ship or load as a muzzle loader and deffinately not have it go off. I suppose a lanyard of some type would be needed to keep that safety from getting lost, hopefully it is a common pin size.
RJ has a good couple of rifles, others do not, I don’t buy lottery tickets, I don’t have a good track record on winning sweepstakes. I will not get a DAQ.
And of course as I have stated before, I happen to like the stock design on these xp guns.
I just guess I will carry spare screws and an allen wrench in my pocket until I am convinced of this system.
Regards,
Roachcreek
I am of the opinion that for many people Big Bores are show & tell items
they care little if the design is good or even well executed
it is mostly the Gee Whiz look at what I got! factor
as too the screwheads
no one
I Repeat NO ONE uses bolts for such a purpose
then again given how little use most of these rifles see it may be somewhat safe
now Roach is going to be USING his quite often, any failure will be in his hands not little Danny boy posting here
Oh, that right…You own Haley rifles right?
any of your pressure tubes seamed?
need to work on a lie at a time with this doof…LOL
Son you seem to have a problem with something called the TRUTH !
The guy that sent me those photos is a machinest , that is fixing that JH MESS !
trust me he knows what seamed tubing is !
just look at that valve area and how insane rough it is machined tells the story !
i do not give a crap what you think about me , or xp airguns or anything else for that matter , like i said you have a problem with the truth , to bad for you !
you wet your pants real good on here over JH being exposed that is very apparent , in fact you got so mad – you started making up re-tarted shat about XP airguns with -out any evidence or people that have one to back your B.S. !!! UP !!
i think most are smart enough on here to see the actual pictures and figure it out for themselves not to hard to see the hacking from JH
Dan H you need to calm your ass down a few notches. The Haleys to my knowledge have not “ripped off” a single person so you really should be careful what you say.
i see what i see ! and i have my own opinion about this , and ya when you send someone a gun like what i have seen in the pics – OH YA THAT IS IN FACT RIPPING PEOPLE OFF !!
when someone knowingly sales you something that is blatantly fawked up, that is them ripping you off !! no joke ! news FLASH !
Calm down ? i am cool , just not a coward, i don’t scar , i don’t run with my tail between my legs, and hide .
i am and honest person sending out the pics of gun of a JH customer !
Tof:
I am of the opinion that for many people Big Bores are show & tell items
they care little if the design is good or even well executed
it is mostly the Gee Whiz look at what I got! factor
as too the screwheads
no one
I Repeat NO ONE uses bolts for such a purpose
then again given how little use most of these rifles see it may be somewhat safe
now Roach is going to be USING his quite often, any failure will be in his hands not little Danny boy posting here
Oh, that right…You own Haley rifles right?
any of your pressure tubes seamed?
need to work on a lie at a time with this doof…LOL
LOL…that’s a rip
look better question is if you think you are convincing anyone
I mean shit boyo…seems your manure about Haley using seamed tubing was shot out of the sky
but you just keep your ignorant gyrating going & going & going
even though by your own admission you have handled neither the XP or any of Haley’s guns
Yeah sure, theres a couple XP vids on Youtube and there are more Haley vids praising Jacks guns by folks like Vogel who you bragged up the other day
again was Bob full of shit in his pro Haley vids or not, just answer the question ya doofus as you are not getting it both ways.
as to lock time?
Hell even that cat on the NZ forum brings up slow lock time:
“Well the locktime if you like, could be a problem.
That’s why we used small pellets in the Gargoly less as 300 grain.
The Ranger has more energy so 300 grain will be fast enough.
And this will eliminate the problem for a small factor.
We allready shot hole in hole at 25 meter with 225 grain on low power.”
so apparently at least one owner recognizes this as a potential issue
you have obviously never handled big bore AGs period
others here have and a few, myself particularly have been into them since before the best part of you ran down the inside of your blessed momma’s thigh
off the top of my head probably better than 30 or more since the 70s, most high end 19th century european stalking rifles with Koreans, DAQs, custom QBs, Haley’s, Big Bore Condors, custom Crosmans, Bontrager, total one offs, ect and thats not including crazy crap like Air Canes and take down pneumatic poachers guns.
hell I even own a .32 Sheridan conversion
I don’t see any need to post up Youtube vids, enough primadonnas already playing Kindergarten show & tell on the same damn guns
point is a few of us here understand the dynamics involved in big bore pneumatics that you are only beginning to speculate on
again I do think McVeys guns are great quality work, that seems obvious I just don’t see the need for 11 pages of whining about rifles that a few of us actually own and are satisfied with for the $$$$ invested
Dan H you need to calm your ass down a few notches. The Haleys to my knowledge have not “ripped off” a single person so you really should be careful what you say.
Damn, glad i don’t make air guns….lol.
I just hope that from here on out, folks start giving MORE HONEST AND ACCURATE evaluations (i will, but you guys are gonna have to ask particualrs..lol) of the guns once they have em. When someone HYPES a gun they are about to get, then get the gun, then dissappear, that is suspect to me. For years now, all i’ve ever heard were, “as soon as my So and So gun comes in, i’ll give yall a thorough post”. Then nothing. They will then go on a hunt or shoot with there “SO AND SO” .22’s or .177’s and post about those guns but not the new BB gun. Then they say, I haven’t had time to shoot it yet.And that brings us to TODAY.
So all you guys with NEW big bore or small bore, please give us your honest OPINION and not some fabricated lie so you can stay in “SO AND SO’s” good graces. Shit is shit and it need to be called “SHIT” or, it need to be called “GREAT”.
While i understand why some would be scared of the trigger group or set up, to me, those screw heads look solid and should be safe from shearing. The trigger also looks thick and strong. He could be or is using, grade 8 bolts and hardened tools steel for the trigger body. But without months or years of constant monitoring of that gun, NOBODY really knows. Time will tell. My JH457 trigger is WAAAAAAAY more fragile than Dans and its held up very well. Even though at any moment, i have a feeling the trigger is gonna break. Its just my luck.
Good luck to you future big bore owners and please post often about your guns.
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Tof:
never handled a Corsair and I can not tell you how much I HATE closed architecture design
does the Corsair pressure tube attach ala QB with a forward breech screw under I assume a pellet tray and the rear bolt coming up from the bottom also securing the rear of the breech?
anyways if so it should be able to be broken down in that fashion
not sure of the pressure tube, sounds vry proprietary design to me and I have never actually handled one
very tough break if its a one piece deal…
I am using a Rich in MI valve in a Haley tube
best way to fly in my opinion.
I assume the Corsair’s design was the product of McVey too?
hmmmmmmmm….
Dannyboy:
Never claimed myself as any sort of expert, just a number of obvious steps past you experience wise in this game
small bore really didn’t catch my interest until recent, I was interested in things a bit more destructive than pee wee pellet poppers so spray your inuendo elsewhere
as far as being the gods honest truth, frankly when you post up blatant falsehoods as fact, {seamed tubing} you end up discrediting the rest of your factoids and call the whole content of your XP rant into question
you still have not answered my question to you regarding Vogels many positive reviews of Haley guns
all you do is wave your arms like some ADD 3rd grader whose Ritalin just ran out 😆 😆 😆