The Haley .457 is here.
My haley .457 is finally here i should have the 58 in bout 2 weeks my 457 is supposed to produce 500+fpe i got the scope mounted tonight and will shoot tomorrow and YES i Will get u guys some pics also
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Don’t really care about your observations once you have the XP in hand
Me? I am waiting for what Roach has to say once he has his in hand as he won’t spin a thing about it good or bad
my points remain…that is one very simple trigger group with little mechanical advantage, it is not even capable of any measure of adjustment short of using a file on it.
How hard would it have been to adapt a comercial multi lever unit?
I mean hell boyo…if “Hacksaw” Haley can manage it certainly McVey could as well
But that’s really not the worst feature of the design
using screws for lugs is down right insane…hopefully he at least partially countersunk the heads to somewhat increase strength…can’t really tell from the pix out there.
so why would one design a hammer this way?
only reasons I can come up with is either sheer ignorance of proper design or utter laziness
apparently to access the hammer one will need to pull both screws and here is a shot right off the XP website that supports this. Note there appears to be a hole between the foward and rear screws I assume for this third power position:
I do think the workmanship is very clean on the pix I have seen but that is not a very good design what so ever.
a poor design that is wonderfully executed is really no better than a great design made half assed.
I am also curious about how hard the XP is sprung
here’s the thing Dan…every Big Bore out there but for the Corsair overwhelmingly uses side cocking strikers to overcome the powerful spring…the XP doesn’t which means if the spring is anywhere near as heavy as Sam Yangs, DAQs, Bontrager, Barnes, JH, ect you will be reefing back on the bolt hard to compress that spring
myself I prefer a side cocker riding in a slot ideally with a safety notch to lock it
it takes some strength to knock a big bore valve
that means heavy springs or a very heavy hammer, usually both
obviously the spring can not be that powerful so I figure a very heavy hammer which leads to other issue along with a slower lock time.
It looks to me like McVey tried thinking outside the conventional Dart Gun platform incorporating some seriously neat features, {love the detachable pressure tubes} and a few that are about as poor as I have seen on a big bore AG
bear in mind this is all shit I can see on the exterior of the gun without ever venturing under the hood so to speak
I won’t even get into this bolt lock safety?
I mean why? are the tolerences that sloppy that the bolt stands a danger of just ploping out of battery?
I doubt it, probably just a Gee Whiz thing like the idiot that incorporated that silly bud vase in the new VWs 😆 😆 😆
anyways it’s all good but given the hammer & trigger design I won’t invest in one. 😉
do you actually believe anyone does believe what you are posting ?
bolt lock safety , have you lost your mind ?
there is 3/4 of and inch of solid billet on the back of the action housing ! even if you leave the bolt open and fire the gun it’s impossible for the bolt to fly back into your face , it was designed that way for safety !
slower lock time ? HA ! HA ! DUDE WOW !
you must be on fantasy island right now ! on some pretty strong stuff ! 😆
or are you just posting in a van down by the Riverside ? 😆
here is a video of some guys shooting the xp ranger 45
as you can see they are not having any trougle loading or cocking the gun at all ! it has a heavy spring which is normal , the action is very smooth , the best of any made to date due to cnc machined and coated surfaces ,
this is not some hacksaw,hand drilled JH action/operation ! 😎
Jerry:
the risk on the screwheads shearing I agree is minimal but it is there and completely uncessary
all depends on the alloy of the screws and the actual diameter of the shaft
add to that in the event they do shear won’t be easy removing the stub
if the heads ARE slightly countersunk below the surface of the bolt then it becomes more unlikely they well shear
I just don’t think it wise to have the head unsupported given the inertia of the unsupported heads when the hammer knocks the valve
Horizontal force is just not something screws are engineered for…
like I have stated the Ranger has a few great features and a few of questionable, maybe negative worth
The loose pin is for securing the hammer when muzzle loading or whenever you feel like it needs to be positively locked. I was referring to the bolt detent feature mentioned on the website.
I think there are a number of ways to make a gun well. I look forward to actual owners posting in focus, close-up pictures as well as performance info like chrony readings and groups.
For the record, I don’t think the screwheads are at risk of shear as they appear plenty stout for the application. I do wonder about how the screwhead and sear wear. I suppose if the sear is super hard, you can always get another screw if it is worn…
I’ve never liked the idea of a airgun that uses the bolt to cock the gun. It is probably needless worry but having the gun ready to fire during the loading process with the breech open seems like an avoidable risk. Then again, tou can always forget to close the bolt on a two handle design as well.
Jerry, like I stated I think it is more Gee Whiz factor than anything else
was just needling DanH over his precious as the XP build quality seems quite nice.
Frankly though there are far better solutions than sticking a big ol’ gear shift on the side of the breech
after all, this is supposed to be a Hunter, not a bench gun
as long as we are discussing this safety feature it appears that it’s just a fancy looking steel dowel that engages the bolt when locked into battery and just snaps in place…to cock the bolt you need to pull it fully free of the breech as a loose part as the breech lacks wall thickness to retain it as an attached component.
not good having loose bits on a hunter…
Better option to avoid all this left brain design thinking and loose bits would be a detented push/pull bolt handle where when the bolt is locked in battery you give it a tap on the knob to lock it into a round mortice in the left wall of the breech…not going anywhere then.
bolt would get a hole for the bolt handle as well as a hole at the rear of the bolt similar to a QB bolt that would take the detent ball & spring captured by a plug allen screw
just sold a straight pull CO2 bulker from the Philippines that used a similar bolt, just non-rotary
simple, sleek and very effective
another way to do this would be a staright pull breech modeled after the Browning T Bolt .22:
this shows the T bolt with the bolt open & to the rear. This was a straight pull design where when the bolt was pull rear ward it pivoted slightly and allow the circular locking plate to disengage from it’s matching cut in the receiver
very slick, fast and smooth and would as well eliminate the DAQ issue you noted without the Captain Caveman engineering of the XP
oh and btw…Numrich carries T bolt bolt handles for $43.00 so a good share of the work on an AG breech of this design is already done.
I realize I am a bit of a brute, maybe even a bit rude with regards to my impressions of many AGs but I will call a spade a spade and as problematic as some Haley guns have apparently been I see a few real concerning design flaws on the XP that should be corrected
and note this is saying nothing of the guts as there are no pix with the hood open anywhere
as far as the bolt being encased, thats nothing new…same deal on any of the Haley big bores
I mean why? are the tolerences that sloppy that the bolt stands a danger of just ploping out of battery?
There does not appear to be anything sloppy about the XP construction. I suspect that the positive hold for the bolt and the mention of the bolt being encased (see the XP site) is driven by a legitimate safety concern and doing something about it.
There were some DAQ guns made where the bolt did not stay down through the firing cycle and a little wear made the problem worse. Further, the bolts could in fact be easily put in position to not be locked. These bolts had flimsy handles and were not encapsulated at the rear nor did they have locking lugs. The whole package came down to guys being advised to hold their thumb on the bolt handle to make sure it was closed and stayed closed during a shot. A friend of mine got a mouthful of bolt one day when shooting his hopped up DAQ.
I expect that Dan has heard these stories and does not want to build an unsafe gun.
Look Dan, you are obviously spun hard on the hype and will never admit that your new king is half naked
Don’t really care about your observations once you have the XP in hand
Me? I am waiting for what Roach has to say once he has his in hand as he won’t spin a thing about it good or bad
my points remain…that is one very simple trigger group with little mechanical advantage, it is not even capable of any measure of adjustment short of using a file on it.
How hard would it have been to adapt a comercial multi lever unit?
I mean hell boyo…if “Hacksaw” Haley can manage it certainly McVey could as well
But that’s really not the worst feature of the design
using screws for lugs is down right insane…hopefully he at least partially countersunk the heads to somewhat increase strength…can’t really tell from the pix out there.
so why would one design a hammer this way?
only reasons I can come up with is either sheer ignorance of proper design or utter laziness
apparently to access the hammer one will need to pull both screws and here is a shot right off the XP website that supports this. Note there appears to be a hole between the foward and rear screws I assume for this third power position:
I do think the workmanship is very clean on the pix I have seen but that is not a very good design what so ever.
a poor design that is wonderfully executed is really no better than a great design made half assed.
I am also curious about how hard the XP is sprung
here’s the thing Dan…every Big Bore out there but for the Corsair overwhelmingly uses side cocking strikers to overcome the powerful spring…the XP doesn’t which means if the spring is anywhere near as heavy as Sam Yangs, DAQs, Bontrager, Barnes, JH, ect you will be reefing back on the bolt hard to compress that spring
myself I prefer a side cocker riding in a slot ideally with a safety notch to lock it
it takes some strength to knock a big bore valve
that means heavy springs or a very heavy hammer, usually both
obviously the spring can not be that powerful so I figure a very heavy hammer which leads to other issue along with a slower lock time.
It looks to me like McVey tried thinking outside the conventional Dart Gun platform incorporating some seriously neat features, {love the detachable pressure tubes} and a few that are about as poor as I have seen on a big bore AG
bear in mind this is all shit I can see on the exterior of the gun without ever venturing under the hood so to speak
I won’t even get into this bolt lock safety?
I mean why? are the tolerences that sloppy that the bolt stands a danger of just ploping out of battery?
I doubt it, probably just a Gee Whiz thing like the idiot that incorporated that silly bud vase in the new VWs 😆 😆 😆
anyways it’s all good but given the hammer & trigger design I won’t invest in one. 😉
Glad you like your rifles RJ.
I sent those links because they are the only ones online that have an un-censored, open discussion about Haley rifles involving people that like them, along with those that don’t.
If you don’t like the idea of an informed consumer…..sorry about your luck. I’m not trying to blow sunshine up your ass….there are other forums for that.
well i have 2 haleys and a third that will be here very soon in a 308 if u look in the thread i have pics of the new Haley trigger group and its one of the pest pulling and operating triggers i have used and its fully adjustable the trigger groupe is based off the timmney trigger used in the ruger 10-22 comp guns its very nice Also if U havent Ever held any of these guns U NEED TO SHUT UR FUCKING MOUTH until u have handled one
Here is what I wrote to Johnny Reb in it’s entirety. If you think it’s negative then so be it. No “hidden agenda” here when it comes to BB airguns….now or ever so why don’t you give that tired “hidden agenda” line a rest Rhew. You want to talk about hiding something….. that would be you hiding the performance of your rifles (however they perform).
You are all talk Rhew. For the last time…..put up, or shut your gaping hole already.
Here is what I wrote Johnny Reb in it’s entirety:
I want you to make an informed decision. Read these threads first my friend…..info that is censored everywhere else in the name of $$$.
I’m just a consumer, looking out for other consumers.
http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17591
http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17683&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
FYI ,tag member Frank B aka Misceif is selling the JH jackhammer,because the rifle is too powerful & too long for a first bigbore.I contacted Frank to call Reba Haley to buy that gun.He had a WTB bigbore ad on yellow forum,He emailed me saying [ am I supposed to know what your talking about, who is Jack & Reba Haley.]I guess he should have done more research before buying that gun. I own 9 Haleys, 2 of them are early QB conversions ,no seamed tube on all my gun .32 to .58 . Why don’t just buy what you like & stop bad mouthing other products.MAN UP STOP WHINNG!. There is a hidden agenda.A couple ago weeks there a private sale on a Jackhammer between 2 airgunners Jeff O aka johnny reb & Donny S ,the sale was all good & everone happy. Donny was doing was doing Jeff a favor & selling a new test fired only gun @ a discount price & no waiting time.But a well known forum member ( B) sent Jeff a negative personal email & the deal fell threw. I feel bad for Jeff ,he missed out on a sweet deal & a nice gun .Everone knowns Donny is AAAA++++ SELLER & BUYER. Super nice guy & airgun collecter & shooter.
fact is you have never handled a Haley rifle
moreover you have never handled an XP either
reality is from what I am seeing the XP has a trigger group no different than 1st Gen JH rifles with a striker design arguably worse than any thing else I have ever seen if indeed he is using screwheads for the engagement lugs
frankly I dont give two shits in a zip lock bag what most folks say in their reviews
your assumption that I was defending JH products simply because I own them extends equally to most who own a XP
not saying Jacks guns are superior or even equal to the XP in build quality
then again no matter how well built the XP may b it’s not going to overcome real poor aspects in design either
after seeing how half assed the trigger and striker are I really would enjoy seeing its valve broken down
lets hope he at least got that right 😆
HA ! HA ! can you say -post of desperation ! your post about xp airguns look like fairy tales ! to me ! HA ! HA ! ” once upon a time ” HA ! HA !
the trigger set up on the xp airguns ranger is purpose built for 3 different power settings , for shooting different bullet weights and air pressure’s , it’s very simple and has been tested like crazy !
i will be pulling the trigger on my xp ranger 45 real soon , i will tell ya what it really is.
i have not heard anyone complain about the triggers on the guns that Dan Mcvey makes , not one complaint from people that have one , in-fact we have heard just the opposite, from people on here .
one thing is a fact ! you can’t show me one person that has shot the Mcvey guns and says the riggers are junk ! ZIP ! ZIP ! ZIP ! your out !
nice bait & switch Dan
fact is you have never handled a Haley rifle
moreover you have never handled an XP either
reality is from what I am seeing the XP has a trigger group no different than 1st Gen JH rifles with a striker design arguably worse than any thing else I have ever seen if indeed he is using screwheads for the engagement lugs
frankly I dont give two shits in a zip lock bag what most folks say in their reviews
your assumption that I was defending JH products simply because I own them extends equally to most who own a XP
not saying Jacks guns are superior or even equal to the XP in build quality
then again no matter how well built the XP may b it’s not going to overcome real poor aspects in design either
after seeing how half assed the trigger and striker are I really would enjoy seeing its valve broken down
lets hope he at least got that right 😆
That trigger design is junk
doesn’t matter who builds it or for that matter out of what materials either
that’s simply very bad design…
now Jerry brought up something else
the lugs or screwheads that seem to be the sear engagement surface for the two level power system
if it is screws thats real real bad as they stand a fair chance of shear
a decent two position striker should be configured with the engagement surface milled in the surface and hardened
this looks a bit cheap and subject to failure
don’t matter how well its put together…again its just bad design if he is using screwheads for such a highly stressed part
sorry but for where I am viewing the XP, to be deserving of all the praise, it too will require new parts to replace those of very poor design.
the funny thing is your using a Mr. Hollowpoint YouTube vid to support your viewpoint on the XP while ignoring that Vogel has similar Youtube vids stating similar great things about Haley guns
so if all of Hacksaw Haley’s rifles are really all that bad I guess we can discount anything positive Vogel has to say about the XP
I mean do you think he was being truthful with regards to his impressions of JH rifles? If not, maybe he isn’t being exactly candid about the XP either hmmmm?
Frankly Vogel is being honest about BOTH guns
the XP is a bit better finished out is the main difference
that said the trigger “group” is a non starter for me and I remain highly skeptical about using what appears to be screwheads to engage the sear
to me, that’s out right dangerous
i think after all the pics posted on the hack-ery on the Jack Haley southern airguns conversion guns , you get what you get , if you buy one of those !
OH i have the answer for your trigger B.S. !!!!!!!!!!!!
one of the forum members was kind enough to point out the difference ! he says his Dan Mcvey built guns have a way better trigger than his JH gun !
HA ! HA ! click and get educated !
http://www.talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18386
OH and look what we have here , a Jack Haley southern airguns conversion owner has his gun up for sale/trade and is offering it up with extra cash for the XP ranger 45 !
http://www.talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18331
he seems to want to ditch this haley , how ever he can ! by what he has posted
NOW i used Bob Mrhollowpoint , and his video’s for a reason just go look through the rest of his videos and count how many times he says Dan Mcvey is the MAN the real Machinest ,
” the man with a plan ”
” HOT TSSSSS ” big bore builder/ tuner ,
” i don’t know what he does !
” i have not seen a more accurate or powerfull airgun ”
” i sighted this gun at 18 yards ,and at 75 yards it is dead on ! ”
“right out of the box it’s dead on ”
” i have not made 2 big of bullet that this gun can not shoot ”
ranger 45 video
Beowolf 58 cal Dan Mcvey SUPER ! tuned shooting 820 g hollow point
58 caliber beowolf shooting 770 ,820 g ” Dan knows his stuff ”
corsair 308 Dan Mcvey built tuned
theres one guy that he gives the most credit 2 on his videos , and list his name and phone number for over and over !!!
” for all your big bore needs ”
Dan Mcvey XP airguns
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Glad you like your rifles RJ.
I sent those links because they are the only ones online that have an un-censored, open discussion about Haley rifles involving people that like them, along with those that don’t.
If you don’t like the idea of an informed consumer…..sorry about your luck. I’m not trying to blow sunshine up your ass….there are other forums for that.
Right on ! good job exposing the garbage that JH has produced , and sent people for there hard earned $$$$$$$
NO one else needs to get ripped !!!! the customers/peoples picture’s of his guns that got RIPPED do not lie !!!