The Haley .457 is here.
My haley .457 is finally here i should have the 58 in bout 2 weeks my 457 is supposed to produce 500+fpe i got the scope mounted tonight and will shoot tomorrow and YES i Will get u guys some pics also
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heck, you can’t even call it a group as it is just a trigger with an integral sear…no levers, nothing
Shit a forkin’ WWII STEN or M3 has a far superior design to the XP
funny thing is it looks as though the XP trigger is the same set up Haley abandoned for a comercial multi lever unit
this is Zip Gun Technology, not state of the art I would expect on a 1600.00 rifle 😆 😆 😆 😆
rest of the rifle does look very nice
Vogel posted pix up over on the Yellow forum
HA ! HA ! first off $1200 for the xp ranger with 28 inch barrel $1350 for the 36inch barrel
here is a video from Bob Mrhollowpoint on the gun , keep in mind this is the shorter version and the gun now shoots more fps with a newer spring and mods , the xp is in a whole different catogory / machine process , grade of materials QUALITY CONTROL !!!!! than a hacksaw Jack haley southern airguns conversion -gun , he should have made vacumes with wooden handles instead , then the shavings he leaves in the air tubes would not matter !
Bob has shot just about every big bore , and moded big bore out there
notice he says this is the best big bore shooting out of the box ! notice how accurate it is !
there is a guy on the New Zealand airgun forum who says it shoots a hole through a hole at 30 meters and beyond ! i will find the link later when i have time ,so everyone can read it for themselves ,
So, the trigger is a lever that directly engages the head of those screws? what is the trigger weight? I suppose ceramic coating might help but my first impression (without benefit of hands-on experience) would make me think the trigger must be very stiff as the hammer spring must be pretty stiff to open against 4500psi…
Are there any groups and performance figures posted by users yet? I went and looked at Dan’s site and saw the impressive numbers for 34 and 36″ barreled .45s but nothing about the standard barrel.
These look like interesting guns and I would love to see some information from actual customers who have the guns, not just from folks waiting on what they expect will be awesome. I did watch Roberts video and the 385 mushrooms nice but that was his standard blow up a jug video. I’d like to see accuracy testing and some chrono data….
well for all the smoke being blown about the XP I am less than impressed with the extremely poor trigger group
heck, you can’t even call it a group as it is just a trigger with an integral sear…no levers, nothing
Shit a forkin’ WWII STEN or M3 has a far superior design to the XP
funny thing is it looks as though the XP trigger is the same set up Haley abandoned for a comercial multi lever unit
this is Zip Gun Technology, not state of the art I would expect on a 1600.00 rifle 😆 😆 😆 😆
rest of the rifle does look very nice
Vogel posted pix up over on the Yellow forum
OK…Here is the Damning evidence…LOL
and no, really has nothing to do with owning a couple Haley QB tubes and a .452 rifle either
after all I am regularly mean to the LD and the Marauder after having owned examples of both that didn’t overly impress me despite being panned as the greatest things ever
However owning JH products places me in a bit better position to be candid about them based on my own personal experience
like I noted Jacks valves in the QB tubes left alot to be desired, then again you think thats bad you clearly are unfamiliar with the tubes Compasseco were selling…they were running a flat stock QB valve, no upgrading what so ever, even left that crappy filter material in the valve which rapidly broke down and locked the valve up. Finish looked like production out of 1945 Germany or Japan 😆
don’t take my word for it, read up on them on the Yellow’s Chinese forum.
Had a Bontrager .22 PCP, internally that one was pretty rough too but shot fine.
now as to this mild steel seamed tubing…I still don’t see it
yeah I see the shadowy line at 12:00, then again I see similar lighter lines at 5:00 & 7:00 as well
I am going to call that camera flash as the image is pretty distorted
really need to see that one 1st hand as I have not seen seamed tubing on ANY of the JH products I have owned or handled
again it is hard to hide seamed tubing under high polish tank blue
to do that you would need to apply a paint such as Cerakote which will hide a variety of blemishment that are revealed with conventional bluing
not saying thats whats up with the XP but it is why spray and bake finishes have become popular in the industry as they will cover a multitude of sins.
in the end it still goes back to $600 versus $1600
even IF I had to replace the valve with a custom made one I am looking at what? A $100.00 give or take so it would still be roughly $900.00 less and we still don’t know what the valve in my .452 is like in so far as quality is concerned, may need nothing, might need a clean up or replacement…it’s all speculation at this point
I replaced the QB tube valves which Rich’s valves as they simply are superior to anything else for the QB tube and for $25.00 exchange it’s a no brainer.
for the $600 I paid my .452 exceeds my expectations
those expectations would be far greater with a grand premium over what I have in this Haley
Could Jack do better?
No question, likely raise costs a bit too but I am happy with the bang for buck equation 😉
seen a variety of mostly 2nd hand comments on Jacks work and there are a few folks here that good & bad have a Haley rifle
let’s see if any of them chime in with a seamed pressure tube on their guns
like I stated I have owned, own and have handled a few and never seen one with the seamed tube you are claiming
not many ways to hide seamed tubing under bluing, seen a few complaints about Jacks guns but not once has anyone brought up seamed tubing which would be a no-brainer bitch from the get go for me and any other owner
email sent ! someone that really REALLY knows what they are doing with air guns has that gun right now , trust me there is NO B.S. going on at all with what i have stated !
and seeing the rest of the pics that have been posted of hacksaw Jack Haley’s southern airguns conversions work why would ya doubt it anyway ? because you own one of his gun ? that you say you are having to tear apart replace key pieces to make right !
anyone want these pics pm me your email , D.H.
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seen a variety of mostly 2nd hand comments on Jacks work and there are a few folks here that good & bad have a Haley rifle
let’s see if any of them chime in with a seamed pressure tube on their guns
like I stated I have owned, own and have handled a few and never seen one with the seamed tube you are claiming
not many ways to hide seamed tubing under bluing, seen a few complaints about Jacks guns but not once has anyone brought up seamed tubing which would be a no-brainer bitch from the get go for me and any other owner
PM me and email address see for your -self !
still not buying the seamed tubing claim
seen a variety of mostly 2nd hand comments on Jacks work and there are a few folks here that good & bad have a Haley rifle
let’s see if any of them chime in with a seamed pressure tube on their guns
like I stated I have owned, own and have handled a few and never seen one with the seamed tube you are claiming
not many ways to hide seamed tubing under bluing, seen a few complaints about Jacks guns but not once has anyone brought up seamed tubing which would be a no-brainer bitch from the get go for me and any other owner
never seen a JH tube made from seamed tubing
smells like bullshit to me
mind you I have owned, own and handled a variety of the Haley rifles and conversion tubes, have yet to see a seamed pressure tube
have to question the “cheap” steel statement as well
let me guess, you brought this into a lab and had it tested?
if not you are pushing manure
I will agree the valves in his QB conversion tubes left a bit to be desired which is why I had Rich in MI go through the tube on the one going on my .308 build and replace the Haley unit with one of Rich’s superb HPA modified QB valves, frankly a better product than that inside the Corsair.
Have a pair of the older QB conversion tubes Jack did and neither are seamed tubing and neither is the tube on my .45 so I doubt the tube being claimed as JH actually is.
only AGs I have seen with seamed tubing were a couple of hand made Philippine jobs that have passed through my hands
the pics don’t lie man , it’s plain as day ! NO B.S AT ALL ! this kind of crap should never be sent out to a customer ! PERIOD !
soon as we get the pics up judge for yourself ,anyone with a brain can and will figure this one out !
it’s Jack Haley’s southern airguns conversions work not mine ! so save the B.S. call for him !
I might buy what you are saying Dan except for one thing…
never seen a JH tube made from seamed tubing
smells like bullshit to me
mind you I have owned, own and handled a variety of the Haley rifles and conversion tubes, have yet to see a seamed pressure tube
have to question the “cheap” steel statement as well
let me guess, you brought this into a lab and had it tested?
if not you are pushing manure
I will agree the valves in his QB conversion tubes left a bit to be desired which is why I had Rich in MI go through the tube on the one going on my .308 build and replace the Haley unit with one of Rich’s superb HPA modified QB valves, frankly a better product than that inside the Corsair.
Have a pair of the older QB conversion tubes Jack did and neither are seamed tubing and neither is the tube on my .45 so I doubt the tube being claimed as JH actually is.
only AGs I have seen with seamed tubing were a couple of hand made Philippine jobs that have passed through my hands
i have a few pics of a Jack Haley gun, the valve area and the air tube that was filled with crap !
if one of you guys that can post pics up sends me your email i can send you the pics to post up ,
the machined surface on this valve area is insane HORRIBLE ! trust me there was smoke porring off the bit that cut this area , this gun never worked right and leaked air from day 1 ! the threads are cut and are course 17 -1 inch thread count the air tube is seamed mild steel CHEAP ![/img]
if your machinist hasn’t started work on the band you may want to check out RJ machineshops STEEL QB band @ $20.00
Nice design, blued steel
YEP, it was RUBEN.
I’m putting the Tiger Wood back on the JH32 for now and getting the NEW STOCK for the CORSAIR. The Corsair is getting a few more custom parts for it. A new Custom ALUMINUM barrel band (plastic one sucks as it turns after a bunch of shots which in turn, makes me miss Game) from my machinist, a new spring as i trimmed mine which i did not need to do…lol (long story), and the new stock from Richards Microfit and i also installed the ANTI PING that TED IN MADISON did in his bull pup in his videos (plus, that anti ping idea looks like it will LAND the return spring for good).
Dan,
With my Tiger Wood Laminate, the inlet was done to their FACTORY SIZE, then i bought the 1″ inletting tool. After i got it to RIGHT at 1″ width using the inletting tool, My buddy came over to help me get it to 1 1/8″. He did that part while i chilled. He’s got all kinds of wood working toys and did a great job on the expansion of the inlet.
I also use PERMALYN Sealer and Finisher on my gun stocks from BROWNELLS. I like the stuff.
Its also good that you talked to Helen and she listened to you about Airguns. A few years ago, i did the same things with no luck. I did not talk to helen though. It was one of the guys in the shop. I even gave them some WEBSITE ADDY’s to check out to give to the owner and i also brought along one of my BB GUNS to show. They did not seem to be interested even though i showed them how other folks were charging upwards of 600 bucks and do really good. So VERY GOOD for you. Now if you can only convince em of other style airguns that would be awesome. I’m tired of trying to convince folks. I’m getting old and grumpy and very impatient with people….lol.
I also talked to ???(i forget his name now) and he said that my stock would be ready by either WEDNESDAY or THURSDAY of next week FOR SURE. He VOWED THAT HE WOULD HANDLE IT garuanteed. So we will see.
And yeah, i ‘ve not had any problems with their stocks at all.
Cool , ya we will see how this goes with them , i think the numbers might have caught their interest on doing these XP stocks , the guy you talked to might have been Ruben ? what gun are you having the stock built for ?
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this isn’t about Haley any more, it is about a crappy Zip Gun trigger on what otherwise seems to be a very quality built gun
That trigger design is junk
doesn’t matter who builds it or for that matter out of what materials either
that’s simply very bad design…
now Jerry brought up something else
the lugs or screwheads that seem to be the sear engagement surface for the two level power system
if it is screws thats real real bad as they stand a fair chance of shear
a decent two position striker should be configured with the engagement surface milled in the surface and hardened
this looks a bit cheap and subject to failure
don’t matter how well its put together…again its just bad design if he is using screwheads for such a highly stressed part
sorry but for where I am viewing the XP, to be deserving of all the praise, it too will require new parts to replace those of very poor design.
the funny thing is your using a Mr. Hollowpoint YouTube vid to support your viewpoint on the XP while ignoring that Vogel has similar Youtube vids stating similar great things about Haley guns
so if all of Hacksaw Haley’s rifles are really all that bad I guess we can discount anything positive Vogel has to say about the XP
I mean do you think he was being truthful with regards to his impressions of JH rifles? If not, maybe he isn’t being exactly candid about the XP either hmmmm?
Frankly Vogel is being honest about BOTH guns
the XP is a bit better finished out is the main difference
that said the trigger “group” is a non starter for me and I remain highly skeptical about using what appears to be screwheads to engage the sear
to me, that’s out right dangerous