WARNING: Do You Own A FrankEdstein EdGun?
To the airgun community:
I believe this is a necessary post here because of the poor business ethics that Dr. FrankEdstein poses on the airgun community. Your investment is at risk here. Notice I said ‘IS’ at risk because it certainly is.
Here’s my take on the situation. I believe and with good cause that Ed is after only one thing and that is your money. He doesn’t stand behind his product but most of the ass-kissers on here think that he does. How quickly we forget about the fiasco we had regarding the damaged guns being delivered and no resolution in sight for that issue. It took this forum to post a ‘sticky’ and many months before the resolution was in place. In my books, that is not customer service.
Here is the thread you all seem to have forgotten:
http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=24031
Moving right along here, there are many of us who own FrankEdsteins! What is a FranEdstein? It is a cobbled together Edgun using left over parts from other models with new parts to create the illusion of a new model. Were we ever notified of this incarnation? No, none of us were but Ed sold them to us while he moved out old inventory which he could no longer sell. This is fact gentlemen. They were having difficulty selling singe shot Edguns because the multi-shot was being released and they wanted the same money for the single shot as they did for the multi shot. Greed!
So what is a FrankEdstein?
There was an over abundance of R3’s in stock which are single shot guns. What they did was take the gun assembly and remove the single shot capability and then added a new multi-shot upgrade to the single shot gun and put this into a new R3M wood stock. The single shot gun assembly is shown in photo #1 below without the cut-out for the magazines.
The new genuine multi-shot R3M is shown in photo #2 which clearly shows the cut-outs for the magazines.
Now, ask yourself this question: if you want a multi-shot, which model do you want? Obviously model #2 because it has the space for the magazines and was manufactured for this purpose. Would you want a multi-shot with the single shot frame and no place to put the magazines? Of course not, especially since there is a model that has the cut-outs.
Well gentlemen, we all invested $2k in these FrankEdsteins and which model do you think will hold resale value and be more in demand? Certainly not the Model #1.
Were we told about this? Were we offered the opportunity to make a choice? Was there even a slight discount for the Model #1 because it was a FrankEdstein? The answers are No, No and No!
I’m sure some of the ass-kissers own FrankEdsteins and they’re probably thrilled and proud to be able to own the FrankEdstein.
To illustrate Dr. FrankEdstein’s contempt and arrogance to the airgun community we post some of his comments below for your reading pleasure:
Mr. Ed stated, that he has“the right to change everything in the gun without noticing the clients”! And then he adds more BS as long as “the changes are pointed to improve the gun”!
He really means as long as the changes are pointed to improve Ed’s financial wealth.
Mr. Ed is a disgrace not to mention highly unethical and dishonest. Let me explain…
Mr. Ed does have the right to change the gun and he does have the right to run his business his way but he does not have the right to take advantage of his clients nor does he have the right to be sneaky as he is. Honest, respectful and ethical businessmen would notify the client that a new model is also available and offer the client the choice. Offering the client, the choice is not in Mr. Ed’s best interest because he needed to move out single shot assemblies! And, he see’s nothing wrong with clients being frustrated; read on and you’ll see my point.
He then has the audacity to state, “can you imagine how the last buyers of single shot Matadors were frustrated when they saw in a couple of weeks that someone got multi shot Matador for the same price”.
And, he sees nothing wrong with that and has the audacity to publish it.
He doesn’t care as long as whatever you do puts money in his pocket and as long as it is best for Ed.
Friends: once you fork over the hard cold cash, you are on your own. To this, Dr. FranEdstein counters with I will refund you if the gun is in ‘new condition’. No one has a new gun 10 minutes after they open the box. In my case, I put a rail on the stock for a bipod and Dr. FrankEdsteing knows that we all do this. Dr. FrankEdstein knows this and as such his ‘refund’ is hollow. He did offer a refund for the gun assembly minus the stock which is unacceptable because I have no use for the stock. He sold me a FrankEdstein gun with cocking and indexing issues. It is a bastard gun. I own 4 Edgun’s. All previous models were fine so I expected this one to function properly as well. It did not and as such the manufacturer has the responsibility to refund in full as no other guns are available. If you get a good gun, great but I’m the living proof that if there is an issue, you are on your own.
FrankEdstein guns anyone?
WE’LL CALL THIS MODEL #1
WE’LL CALL THIS ONE MODEL #2
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Unread postby WalkonKing » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:28 am
Click on their name and choose “Add Foe”
This will make it so you do not have to read their nonsense.
But we all know you want to read it… LOL
I am blocking Machine Gun’s postings, as I would have Joe Chemtrails, and the many other psychotics/drunks who arrive at out door from time to time, and there have been several.
Come and join me, so we can get back to the positive aspects of our “brotherhood”, and start sharing ideas and positive inputs with each other. There’s no need to wallow in the dirt with Machine Gun and his ignorant friends. He’s milking this for everything he can and delights in making other people as angry and frustrated as he is. Let him drown in his misery alone!!!
As for me….I’m saving up for a .22 Lelya! I came so close to getting one last year, but other bills arrived before the Lelya.
Kindest regards,
H 😯 😯 t
Since you blocked me I can say that you’re the ignorant hillbilly. There is life outside of Edguns and it’s not necessary to suck Ed’s dick each and every day as you do. I don’t delight in anything. As long as you assholes post and support the thief, I’ll fight and post comments to the contrary about his poor customer service, his faulty products and lack of parts and repairs.
You guys are too stupid to let this drop as you just keep kissing his ass and sucking on his dick. Do you expect favors from him. You will get it up the ass in the long run just like others have. Good luck and ….
Merry Christmas.
Here’s one answer to those interested in eliminating postings by individuals who lack the intelligence to behave like adults on this forum. Read the following:
Want to not see a persons posts?
Unread postby WalkonKing » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:28 am
Click on their name and choose “Add Foe”
This will make it so you do not have to read their nonsense.
But we all know you want to read it… LOL
I am blocking Machine Gun’s postings, as I would have Joe Chemtrails, and the many other psychotics/drunks who arrived at our door from time to time, and there have been several.
Come and join me, so we can get back to the positive aspects of our “brotherhood”, and start sharing ideas and positive inputs with each other. There’s no need to wallow in the dirt with Machine Gun, and his ignorant friends. He’s milking this for everything he can, and delights in making other people as angry and frustrated as he is. He feeds on your angry replies.
As for me….I’m saving up for a .22 Lelya!…or the new .30 Lelya that I’m certain is under development!
Kindest regards,
H 😯 😯 t
Tcmalker due to Ed s poor use of the english language u have missunderstood wat he said.he did NOT refer to the american people as being ignorant.he meant that he would not back down to MG even if it meant the american clients to then completely ignore him and never buy his rifles again
You look like an absolute fool, take a step back and read what you are writing.
If any one looks like the fool it is you buddy with the rest of your Kool Aid drinking buddies. You don’t know the story, you have 42 posts so fuck off, get a life and spew your vile elsewhere.
Lets say you bought a condor. Drilled a hole in the frame to mount a sling stud and then found out the gun did not cycle properly.
When you contact Airforce how do you think they would handle the situation?
C’mon King! That’s not a fair question because you’re not a lowlife thieving scumbag looking to suck the industry dry.
Thanks for continuing to stay here on this forum for the rest of us Edgun fans.
I appreciate my Edguns and what you have done to make these.
Philippe
Yes, Yes, Yes oh great one! Ed, please lay down and let ‘gtcpa’ get in there and suck too, along with the rest of your groupies. Ad nauseum!
Do I have to spell it all out! Yes, the guns accuracy is on par with other Edguns. That is not the issue and don’t try to side step the issue with anything good about his guns. The problem I am having could be you next time or a guy sitting on the sidelines waiting for the next FrankEdstein. I’m not the first person who has had issues with this individual. Rest assured, I won’t be the last.
There are problems. I noticed the problems but didn’t want to publicize everything that was wrong because I was trying to be subtle (early on before all this) and give Ed the benefit of the doubt; you see where that got me. The gun is a piece of shit. When I realized that he was making FrankEdstein’s coupled with the issues I have previously mentioned and Ed not willing to step up to the plate and ‘do the right thing’ is when it all came together for me.
Ok, you can get back to your group sex party with the rest of the ass kissers.
More excuses. Whenever there is a problem or he says something we don’t like, he backs up and uses old reliable —- it’s the poor language. BS! I bet you don’t skip a beat counting $100 American bills nor speak poorly if someone wanted to buy a FrankEdstein.
Yeah because maybe the’ve been sitting on the sidelines wanting to buy FrankEdstein’s but have a different mindset now. What I find amazing is all the old-timers who know all the issues with these guns, and know of the poor service and know what a POS he is that sit there with their tails between their legs not wanting to upset poor little Eddie. No balls!
mannerless types are irrelevant to you. What, I count maybe 10/15 possible
gun sales that won’t happen. I’m confident that these few mannerless
folks are a tiny percentage of your world wide sales. So, I trust that
you realize that you’re the adult here. No calling names, no foreigner
hate talk. Ninety-percent of us are still with you. After reading what
these other creatures are yelping, frankly, we a lot of us don’t care about them.
You probably don’t have need for a pep talk. It’s like dealing with infants,
one doesn’t take them seriously or give them any credit. Let them rave and
rant and cry and scream– “Mommy!” Some of these new voices just see
a pack piling on and they join in.
That’s all. You hear that, Ed. You won’t be getting toewalker’s money. But
you’ll be getting it from a lot of us. Poor saps. Can’t stand our satisfaction
and happiness with our Edguns. I don’t feel their pain.
Interesting stance by the Moderator, though.
WOW – you surely win ass kisser of the week award with that post. The problem is Ed doesn’t care that you’re kissing his ass. He’ll stick it up your fat ass just as he would anyone else on here because he has no respect for any of us. You don’t get that though. He thinks we’re all a bunch of fools buying whatever he makes and he can do no wrong and screw whomever he wants because of fools like you.
Merry Christmas to everyone. :tag:
Such each other off?
Let’s put this to bed. Make it right even if it cost u a stock.
You didn’t understand, the point is not money for stock or the gun, I can easily spend money to satisfy the client, but not in this particulary case, even if it would cost me total ignorance from the American customers. I never ever allowed anybody to behaive with me such a way, so I have no intention to make any exclusion.
As for me banned at Yellow — great, I think TAG administraion is happier by that fact, more people will come here. We used to have very popular forum at airgun.ru it was very vivid, there were many clever and interesting people unless the new administrator decided to force everybody to follow his point of view, half a year and forum died 🙂
You are a lying, thieving no good for nothing piece of whale shit at the bottom of the ocean. Who the hell do you think you are. You’re nothing but lowlife scum. You’re the one on here who didn’t want to refund for your faulty gun which didn’t work properly and still doesn’t work properly. You never offered a good resolution because you are a greedy individual who thinks all Americans are stupid and will take your crap because we don’t want controversy. Well, this American knows your game and won’t take your crap. You got the wrong guy here buddy.
As far as the Yellow — more lies. You tried to post on there and then came here and cried that they banned you because you do nothing for them. You want to publicize your FrankEdstein’s for FREE but you won’t take an ad to publicize them because you’re a greedy bastard who thinks he can make more money by not spending any money.
Go away with your Kool Aid drinking buddies so you can all huddle and suck each other off.
There are a few software bugs/collisions when the transactions pickup it seems. I thought the same thing a few times but I always found out nothing was ever deleted.
Ed, know that we’re not all ignorant Ugly Americans. I’m assuming these
mannerless types are irrelevant to you. What, I count maybe 10/15 possible
gun sales that won’t happen. I’m confident that these few mannerless
folks are a tiny percentage of your world wide sales. So, I trust that
you realize that you’re the adult here. No calling names, no foreigner
hate talk. Ninety-percent of us are still with you. After reading what
these other creatures are yelping, frankly, we a lot of us don’t care about them.
You probably don’t have need for a pep talk. It’s like dealing with infants,
one doesn’t take them seriously or give them any credit. Let them rave and
rant and cry and scream– “Mommy!” Some of these new voices just see
a pack piling on and they join in.
That’s all. You hear that, Ed. You won’t be getting toewalker’s money. But
you’ll be getting it from a lot of us. Poor saps. Can’t stand our satisfaction
and happiness with our Edguns. I don’t feel their pain.
Interesting stance by the Moderator, though.
No need for moderator Trygve
I wrote before that message before I read my posting on the previous page – I didn’t realize that many posts happened in a short period of time.
I am from Alabama and we are a little slow here 🙂
let’s get back to the program… So who called who a fag and what are you going to do about it????
What ? Are YOU calling me a Fag ? :16:
I said something nice about Ed coming on this forum and that I was appreciative of his guns. (Did not say anything negative)
I respect this forum more than the Yellow, but I did not know what I did wrong here to get the post removed.
😯 😯 😯
Now that is strange…
If this is the work of a moderator, – I ‘m sure he will step up and confirm/explain ………. 😉
Cheers
Trygve 😀
I don’t think it was deleted. I think you may have submitted while another person was trying to submit their entry as well. So only one entry went through. It happened to me a few times. Just have to click submit again.
Stupid me – there was a lot of posts in a short period of time – my post was not removed – just on the page before 😯
I’m not sure why my post a few minutes ago was removed ?
Stupid me – there was a lot of posts in a short period of time – my post was not removed – just on the page before 😯
I do respect this forum more than the other leading brand !!!
👿 Over a period of 8 months and did not get up to Parts
I have 3 rifles from greed
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I added MG as a foe 3 days ago. No point in ruining my mood because he’s not happy. I enjoy this forum and it’s good people.