Ranger 45
Well I have a tracking number for the Ranger 45 that was assembled, test fired, chronyed, and shipped today.
28 inch barrel, standard stock and black crerakote finish, $1230 dollars including shipping.
To early to get the arrival date, it is not in the system yet.
Chrony numbers were:
Round ball. low setting 3000 PSI……1018 FPS
225………. low setting 3000 PSI……..877 FPS
405 shot 1 hi setting 4500 PSI………804 FPS
340 shot 2 hi setting 4500 PSI………843 FPS
These numbers will improve by 30 to 50 FPS as the rifle breaks in.
Regards,
Roachcreek
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what do you guys think of laser cast bullets ? with the silver alloy added , they guarantee no leading of the barrel , i bought 500 -250 g- rn-fp, they are out of Baker city Oregon
I got read of my leading problem by . Realizing that I could not push 5 bhn lead that fast even with lube . After cleaning the barrel I now spray a clean patch with dry lube and run it through the barrel . Use a 10-22 bhn lead, bullets lubed with dry lube or spray dry Molly lube . Sized no larger than .452 . 2 shoots 1 fill 1 hole 35 yards . Marvin
A badly leaded barrel in such a short period of time? Wonder how much of a factor the large diameter variance was, and how much of a factor the very soft lead was…..looks like a harder alloy is definitely worth looking into should shooting only the correct diameter of .452 fail to correct the leading issue.
I just got home from buying a 45 caliber cleaning rod and accesories. And Corona of course.
I looked down the bore with a bright weapons light and sure enough it is badly leaded.
So now to get to work on it. Turns out those HP’s are just expensive alloy, luckily I got a pal who sent me a bullet care package and I even have the post office yellow slip telling me to pick it up.
Thanks again Butcher!
Regards,
Roachcreek
A worthy experiment would be to shoot a bunch of near pure lead rounds, evaluate the leading in the barrel with a good cleaning, then do the same with boolits cast from a harder alloy. Seeing as 50/50 WW-pb alloy is so popular with .45ACP/Colt casters working with the same type velocities, I would start there.
1100fps is really hauling the mail……that 229grainer would be an absolute top-end .45ACP +P load for certain. More in the stout .45Colt range.
Sucks those 385grainers were shooting so well one day, then flopped the next. I would be interested in hearing the weight range of those large HP’s, considering the variance in diameter, and the presence of voids.
I checked some of the designs that I have had sitting around for a few years, and there is a bit of variance in diameter with some of them as well. So you may want to sort thru them. Most of them are near pure lead……the original Big Lube ROA’s are more like BHN9 (about the same hardness as 50-50 WW/pb).
I went to St. Vincents and bought a used tri pod for 7 bucks today, only one I could find wiht the 1/4 bolt attachment, good heavy tripod too.
I also got a lower set of rings than I had, both sets were medium but the UTG’s were high as hell for medium, so I got medium Weavers and brought that scope down where it needed to be, they are double strapped and should really be marked low rings.
Then I set the Chrony up and sighted in with 229’s from a 4300 PSI or so fill from yesterday. The fist shot i fucked up and did at high power, it clocked at 1100 FPS. First mistake… At low power I was runnig from 920 to 875, I quit shooting at round 5 shots and still had lots of velocity left, fillw as down to 2500 PSI.
Then I went to 50 yards and shot 385 grain HP’s to give me a better zero. The first three shots were 895, 840, 795, then things went to shit…
Velocity dropped into the 795 to 760 range for three shots, I did three runs of this with the same result, I was filling of course on a dwindling tank that started at 4500 PSI and was down to 4350 when I stopped shooting. Groups were in the 1.5 to 2 inch range. Fill was down to 2300 with 3 shots.
I immediately suspected leading. So I went home and started miking my 385 grain bullets, sure enough some were as bad as .448, a few were at 452 a lot were 450 and some 451’s bottom line, they were all over the map. Inside the hp were voids which is a problem with casting HP’s.
I then took a 385 grain bullet and pushed it into the bore 1/2 inch with effortless finger pressure. it engraved the lands but not the grooves. Again I pulled it out with pliars with not too much effort. This might work with a BP cartridge with considerable bump, but my understanding of AR is that you don’t have much bump.
I may be back to pan lubing my own cast bullets before long.
Looking down the bore does not tell me much altho there is rough looking areas that I think is leading. I am about to leave for town to find a 45 rifle brush, I gave mine to my kid when I gave him my Borschardt.
Regards,
Roachcreek
Now come SUNDAY afternoon-evening, i expect to see a NEW and complete write up on your new toy, complete with video and pictures of EVERYTHING….lol
Looking Forward
T ….you better pack your gun/video gear up catch a flight to Oregon , and help the guy out ! 😆
i like the way you do your gun vids ! 🙂
a couple of weeks or less i will give it a go with a 36inch ranger and hopefully get some good stuff on video , i have some 140 rb and 250 g round nose flat point , i need to get some 500+grain stuff ,
i might just have to bite the mrhollowpoint bullet and get some 540 grain stuff from him ,{ i don’t know who else makes 452 in 500+ g ?} and see just what kind of hell /fpe i can raise ! with this air cannon ! 😉 BOOM !
a 600 foot pound BB gun!!!!!!!! hell yes , looks cool RC .
That heavy lead slinging some bitch could care less about the wind , it must of just been bothering you 😆
lol…yeah, its cool, i’m simple enough to totally understand stick people….lol
Congrats again and looking forward to seeing more info
Instead of a video can I just draw stick people.
regards,
Roachcreek
Congrats on the Ranger RC.
Now come SUNDAY afternoon-evening, i expect to see a NEW and complete write up on your new toy, complete with video and pictures of EVERYTHING….lol
Looking Forward
I need to go down to one of the thrift shops and buy a tripod for my Chrony, that would solve so many problems.
After a good day of shooting my back gets sore from having bend over to pick the Chrony out of the mud to read it. 😆
I was so stoked watching those groups appear today. I would still be slinging lead if the wind was not so bad.
Regards,
Roachcreek
Setting up chronys is certainly a pain….especially when you are shooting targets thru them.
Hopefully some of those slugs I sent you work well in that Ranger. That way I can “BYOA” it, and bring my own ammo when I make it over that way. I have a bunch of those near pure lead .452 255grainers that have been sitting around for years after being shipped cross country twice (they are a wee-bit beat-up) waiting for a .452 bore to come along and digest them. Got a couple hundred more .454EPP/UG’s as well.
We wouldn’t have to go far to get into the coyotes. We’ll have to try to call one in to the Ranger, and “Devastate” him.
Did it come as a chunk or was it pre-shaped? Looks a lot like my XR100 stock…
How are you going to do the inletting?
the stock was a richards microfit , that i had them cut extra wide down the front .and i also had them leave a larger chunk of wood on the cheek piece since the gun is elevated with the barrel on top of the air tube , so i could cut it to what i want .
the inlet main channel 1 1/8 inch to match the lower tube of the gun , is all done now ,
i used a straight edge marked it out from what they had cut 9.20 about 2/3 rds of the way down the stock , since richards microfit did not cut it all the way down , it was flat the last 8 -9 inches un cut ,
so i used a die grinder by hand to open it up the rest of the way very carefully to match the 920 cut the rest of the way , then i used a piece of tubing with 40- 60 grit to cut/sand it out the rest of the way , i used DA paper automotive style , wrapped around some pvc tubing , it took a while but it turned out straight
i used s straight edge to check it, and a caliper as i was sanding it out
Dan sent me pictures of a stock inlet with the precise measurements to cut the deeper smaller channel for the trigger and the allens that hang down from the hammer, and the kick tube hole, and trigger guard , this part i am going to wait i think until i get the action to cut these out to make sure i get the trigger position where i want it ,
i have ported 2 stroke racing motors – jet ski cylinders for about 25 years , so i am good with die grinders, and have many of them with a bunch of burrs /carbide bits , i am the cnc machine ! HA ! HA !
the inlet section now is better than the section amount that richards cut out with their cnc
Butcher,
I need to go down to one of the thrift shops and buy a tripod for my Chrony, that would solve so many problems.
After a good day of shooting my back gets sore from having bend over to pick the Chrony out of the mud to read it. 😆
I was so stoked watching those groups appear today. I would still be slinging lead if the wind was not so bad.
Regards,
Roachcreek
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Those are the bullets that Jack Haley says are the most accurate bullet he has found for my JH32. I personally have never tried them . But when I had accuracy problems with my JH32 and he told me this is when I casted my own bullets out of 22 bhn and the inaccuracy went away . I really do not think that that hard of a alloy is needed and have not lost accuracy backing down to 12 bhn in that rifle . Marvin