WARNING: Do You Own A FrankEdstein EdGun?
To the airgun community:
I believe this is a necessary post here because of the poor business ethics that Dr. FrankEdstein poses on the airgun community. Your investment is at risk here. Notice I said ‘IS’ at risk because it certainly is.
Here’s my take on the situation. I believe and with good cause that Ed is after only one thing and that is your money. He doesn’t stand behind his product but most of the ass-kissers on here think that he does. How quickly we forget about the fiasco we had regarding the damaged guns being delivered and no resolution in sight for that issue. It took this forum to post a ‘sticky’ and many months before the resolution was in place. In my books, that is not customer service.
Here is the thread you all seem to have forgotten:
http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=24031
Moving right along here, there are many of us who own FrankEdsteins! What is a FranEdstein? It is a cobbled together Edgun using left over parts from other models with new parts to create the illusion of a new model. Were we ever notified of this incarnation? No, none of us were but Ed sold them to us while he moved out old inventory which he could no longer sell. This is fact gentlemen. They were having difficulty selling singe shot Edguns because the multi-shot was being released and they wanted the same money for the single shot as they did for the multi shot. Greed!
So what is a FrankEdstein?
There was an over abundance of R3’s in stock which are single shot guns. What they did was take the gun assembly and remove the single shot capability and then added a new multi-shot upgrade to the single shot gun and put this into a new R3M wood stock. The single shot gun assembly is shown in photo #1 below without the cut-out for the magazines.
The new genuine multi-shot R3M is shown in photo #2 which clearly shows the cut-outs for the magazines.
Now, ask yourself this question: if you want a multi-shot, which model do you want? Obviously model #2 because it has the space for the magazines and was manufactured for this purpose. Would you want a multi-shot with the single shot frame and no place to put the magazines? Of course not, especially since there is a model that has the cut-outs.
Well gentlemen, we all invested $2k in these FrankEdsteins and which model do you think will hold resale value and be more in demand? Certainly not the Model #1.
Were we told about this? Were we offered the opportunity to make a choice? Was there even a slight discount for the Model #1 because it was a FrankEdstein? The answers are No, No and No!
I’m sure some of the ass-kissers own FrankEdsteins and they’re probably thrilled and proud to be able to own the FrankEdstein.
To illustrate Dr. FrankEdstein’s contempt and arrogance to the airgun community we post some of his comments below for your reading pleasure:
Mr. Ed stated, that he has“the right to change everything in the gun without noticing the clients”! And then he adds more BS as long as “the changes are pointed to improve the gun”!
He really means as long as the changes are pointed to improve Ed’s financial wealth.
Mr. Ed is a disgrace not to mention highly unethical and dishonest. Let me explain…
Mr. Ed does have the right to change the gun and he does have the right to run his business his way but he does not have the right to take advantage of his clients nor does he have the right to be sneaky as he is. Honest, respectful and ethical businessmen would notify the client that a new model is also available and offer the client the choice. Offering the client, the choice is not in Mr. Ed’s best interest because he needed to move out single shot assemblies! And, he see’s nothing wrong with clients being frustrated; read on and you’ll see my point.
He then has the audacity to state, “can you imagine how the last buyers of single shot Matadors were frustrated when they saw in a couple of weeks that someone got multi shot Matador for the same price”.
And, he sees nothing wrong with that and has the audacity to publish it.
He doesn’t care as long as whatever you do puts money in his pocket and as long as it is best for Ed.
Friends: once you fork over the hard cold cash, you are on your own. To this, Dr. FranEdstein counters with I will refund you if the gun is in ‘new condition’. No one has a new gun 10 minutes after they open the box. In my case, I put a rail on the stock for a bipod and Dr. FrankEdsteing knows that we all do this. Dr. FrankEdstein knows this and as such his ‘refund’ is hollow. He did offer a refund for the gun assembly minus the stock which is unacceptable because I have no use for the stock. He sold me a FrankEdstein gun with cocking and indexing issues. It is a bastard gun. I own 4 Edgun’s. All previous models were fine so I expected this one to function properly as well. It did not and as such the manufacturer has the responsibility to refund in full as no other guns are available. If you get a good gun, great but I’m the living proof that if there is an issue, you are on your own.
FrankEdstein guns anyone?
WE’LL CALL THIS MODEL #1
WE’LL CALL THIS ONE MODEL #2
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Nomadic Pirate? Maybe reassess that. He contributes quite a lot of knowledge in a helpful way. His posts are unique in character and content. He’s no ranter.
He’s not associated with any such manner. He doesn’t insult. He makes points in disagreement but doesn’t offend, like normal people.
He’s the real deal. Talks about his guns, they’re actual tools for him, medium to short range expert given the terrain he deals with and the quarry.
He even told Avenger to shut up. Take a look at his posts to confirm . Yes, he agrrees with the “flawless gun” for the money reasoning.. In customer service
as we know it. He doesn’t swear at anybody. I read his posts to see what you saw, but I didn’t really have to. The good ones stick in your mind. Just as the sickly offensive ones do.
He’s more in the veteran, practical, hands-on, knows-what-he’s-talking-about camp. Doesn’t tout accuracy or distance accomplishments. Tells us where the pellets
go in the hogs, humanely when at all possible. And probably supplies the family with great non-hormoned meat kept in his freezer.
Should you decide to take him off the list, I can delete this post. Don’t want him to catch wind of this and unintentionally create a dispute. Or should I leave it? He’ll be all right, I think
Not a bad guy at all. Sometimes members deserve a Lifetime Awards type of observation about themselves, though it may have come with the purpose of a precautionary suggestion to another.
Nomadic Pirate is definitely top of my list of a very good contributer in a good way. I know he helped me a lot on my Rainstorm guns.
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Nomadic Pirate? Maybe reassess that. He contributes quite a lot of knowledge in a helpful way. His posts are unique in character and content. He’s no ranter.
He’s not associated with any such manner. He doesn’t insult. He makes points in disagreement but doesn’t offend, like normal people.
He’s the real deal. Talks about his guns, they’re actual tools for him, medium to short range expert given the terrain he deals with and the quarry.
He even told Avenger to shut up. Take a look at his posts to confirm . Yes, he agrrees with the “flawless gun” for the money reasoning.. In customer service
as we know it. He doesn’t swear at anybody. I read his posts to see what you saw, but I didn’t really have to. The good ones stick in your mind. Just as the sickly offensive ones do.
He’s more in the veteran, practical, hands-on, knows-what-he’s-talking-about camp. Doesn’t tout accuracy or distance accomplishments. Tells us where the pellets
go in the hogs, humanely when at all possible. And probably supplies the family with great non-hormoned meat kept in his freezer.
Should you decide to take him off the list, I can delete this post. Don’t want him to catch wind of this and unintentionally create a dispute. Or should I leave it? He’ll be all right, I think
Not a bad guy at all. Sometimes members deserve a Lifetime Awards type of observation about themselves, though it may have come with the purpose of a precautionary suggestion to another.
Nomadic Pirate is definitely top of my list of a very good contributer in a good way. I know he helped me a lot on my Rainstorm guns.
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or is he an Ed’s ass kisser too.
No one on this forum is kissing anyone’s ass! MG may be applying suction to dman’s unit, or vise versa…but that’s another story, and it no longer appears on my screen. (hahahaha!!!)
What I would like for Ed to consider is a .25 Magnum! The .30 caliber valve fitted in a .25 Long! The first “Wildcat” pcp!
The parts are already in hand, and developed. Advise the Magnum can be used at high power, with cast slugs of 45gr to 75gr. Or, drop the hammer impact down a notch or so and shoot regular .25 pellets! (Might need a “High/Low” power selector) It would hit as hard as a larger caliber, lots of stability due to length, but still offer dual use at high/low powers!
A .25 hollowpoint, at 70gr, 900 fps, would be serious medicine for hogs and coyotes! There’s no need to keep going toward larger and larger caliber airguns! .25 is plenty big enough, if the projectile weight is heavy enough, and propelled at a top end subsonic speed!
There’s more than one way to get 80 to 125 FPE out of an airgun. Single shot only, of course…don’t mess with perfection!
Is it possible Ed? Can a .25 Edgun Magnum be in our future?
Kind regards,
H 😯 😯 t
Completely agree with your point Hoot, a .25 shooting bullets with a good meplat will be always better than a .30 cal pellet, the dual power is an outstanding feature too, the flexability to shoot normal pellets atone power level than going for the heavy bullets at a Higher power level would be fantastic.
I’ve been hammering this point since the 1st rumors of the Wolverine .303 and Boss .30
NOW we´re finally talking! The .25 cal slug travelling at 1000 + fps would have superior trajectory compared to those .30 + cal. “big-bore” guns. :6:
An EdGun being the right platform to build it on is to be discussed though … Sorry.
or is he an Ed’s ass kisser too.
No one on this forum is kissing anyone’s ass! MG may be applying suction to dman’s unit, or vise versa…but that’s another story, and it no longer appears on my screen. (hahahaha!!!)
What I would like for Ed to consider is a .25 Magnum! The .30 caliber valve fitted in a .25 Long! The first “Wildcat” pcp!
The parts are already in hand, and developed. Advise the Magnum can be used at high power, with cast slugs of 45gr to 75gr. Or, drop the hammer impact down a notch or so and shoot regular .25 pellets! (Might need a “High/Low” power selector) It would hit as hard as a larger caliber, lots of stability due to length, but still offer dual use at high/low powers!
A .25 hollowpoint, at 70gr, 900 fps, would be serious medicine for hogs and coyotes! There’s no need to keep going toward larger and larger caliber airguns! .25 is plenty big enough, if the projectile weight is heavy enough, and propelled at a top end subsonic speed!
There’s more than one way to get 80 to 125 FPE out of an airgun. Single shot only, of course…don’t mess with perfection!
Is it possible Ed? Can a .25 Edgun Magnum be in our future?
Kind regards,
H 😯 😯 t
Let’s look at this again.
So, you purchased a repeating Edgun looking for a butter smooth action and prompt/top end customer service?
😕
NOBODY said it was butter smooth, there were many topics where the single shot actions were rough, how could ANYONE possibly believe a more complicated mechanism could be smoother than the original? Sure I can see someone having no knowledge of how mechanical things work expecting something with more drag to be smoother.
The folks who received the original R3 models had their stocks broken in transit from insufficient packaging, they were told they could buy a new stock. Who does not know this? Sure they fixed the packaging issues but a few folks still had brand new Edguns with broken stocks.
If you did not know what was coming with this new action and the nature of the existing customer service you lied to yourself.
Getting a “perfect $2000 airgun” is absolute BULLSHIT. I’ve seen many, many people buy $3500 airguns and need to modify them to get them to work “perfectly”… Fuck the Bobcat was issued with a front rail THAT DID NOT WORK, in other words, NOT PERFECT. Edguns are know to be in need of tinkering, if you did not know this then you did not do ANY research.
That being said, the magazine should index properly when cocked regardless of how fast or slow the action is cycled. There should not be some trick to get it to index properly and manually rotating the magazine is not a legitimate fix to indexing problems.
Edgun vs. Cricket? My Cricket shroud is crooked (when screwed on the end distance to the barrel changes), accuracy suffers from mag to mag and is still not that accurate with a single shot tray. Part of the lever rubs the aluminum cover and has made a slight groove in it, the trigger blade was bent upon arrival. Sure the Cricket trigger feel is better but… My Edgun is more accurate. I shoot to win.
Superiority? Nope, NOT EVEN, I wouldn’t even go as far as to say the Edgun is superior to the Cricket. You want a “superior” rifle to both? Try an ISP. 😯
Lmao if Ted wanted to use my cricket for his review I wouldn’t mind…but nothing’s coming out of pocket!.
and parts for the gun are always there when you need them…so xo facto it’s better than the edgun…
I do find it kind of strange how ted hasn’t done a review on the cricket being that he’s done one for the edgun and bobcat.–Urgirlinmyjetta
Very informative on the Cricket… 😉
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Ted? Look’s like he’s in a period of his life where he’s experimenting with a different use of his airgun-video persona.
Cricket–and Edgun, for that matter– likely aren’t part of his experiment. FX and Daystate do look like big participants, though.
It looks like he’d been considering it for awhile, since the middle of 2012, when he took a long hiatus from reviewing Edguns,
and creating shooting and ballistics tutorials, to concentrate on family, take a spearfishing vacation in the Bahamas, and attend
the Arizona Extreme Benchrest tournament in November of 2012; in the meanwhile shooting some quick videos featuring FX and Daystate airguns.
While in Arizona he met with Frederik of FX and Stefano Gervasoni of Daystate Airguns. Then by March of this year he finished setting
up his website with those representative’s companies as advertisers.
So, Ted’s been busy with the labor-intensive preparations for his experiment and
securing the needed support, and hasn’t had much time for much else besides, of course,
his university day job…..
But I’m thinkin’ your highly informative info on the Cricket’s “xo facto” superiority to the Edgun is so persuasive,
that Ted just might do that review. Send him your Cricket– and maybe a little something for the kitty jar? 😉 — and
he might just fast-track that review for you. 😛
Next tcmalker’s POLL: Should Ted do a review of Cricket?
or is he an Ed’s ass kisser too.
A good question… Cricket actually is a very good gun and definitely on par ,at least, with both aforementioned.
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I agree with that! Cricket has been out for a while now. Ted has reviewed lots of guns. Why not the cricket?
Don’t worry I’ll let you in on the info…the cricket is quieter…lighter…more stylish looking…and shoots great…and parts for the gun are always there when you need them…so xo facto it’s better than the edgun…now you can go and vote!.
I do find it kind of strange how ted hasn’t done a review on the cricket being that he’s done one for the edgun and bobcat.
Haven’t had a Cricket so don’t feel qualified to vote.
Now is the perfect time to promote my poll. Whether you’re an Ed’s ass kisser or not, go vote!
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